Who wants Ziro back?

[GoZelda]

I do now mate. I can't even punish someone who's just not obeying the rules and it's pissing me off. Under Ziro's and Valder's reign the Pirates atleast were Pirates, now they're just your average neighborhood kingdom.

Sorry Mark, it's nothing personal, but it's getting a little bit over the edge. The ranks and their rights have changed for the worst now, and the Captains are the only 'officials' you see on, apart from the First Lady. I guess you'd better get up something good before all others turn against you, which some already are, because the dudes nominated for Governor were passed by.

I'm not going to vote because i think Mark deserves some other changes, but it's getting a bit absurd...

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Lol i vote get rid of mark o_O
The problem is though, who with? I reckon you or that misti di person would probably be the best candidates, but still, dunno...

[kc5ikc]

Can't say that I'd support Ziro coming back unless I knew for sure where he plans on taking the Pirates back to. Though returning to a similar format that was instated in the past, I don't wish to see the Pirates secluded from society as before in the Roleplay sense. My reasoning for stepping down and out as Mayor in the Pirates is similart to other problems, I have no way to correct, demote or bump out anyone that is problematic and doesn't see a need to follow any general guidelines, then again, we really have no Guidelines anymore, seeing as none except for a few made by GhostPirate long ago have been put at the top of the thread.
Promotions now are merely granted and many in higher ranks are never ontag or online, and thats sad to see, just a few short weeks ago, I remember seeing the most Pirates ontag since I've been here and now its back to almost none ontag.

Anyways, I wish the Pirates goodluck in this, as I still consider myself a Pirate to this day, I just cannot see wasting time supporting someone that is never on or seems to be willing to fix the problems in which he's created....

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by kc5ikc
Can't say that I'd support Ziro coming back unless I knew for sure where he plans on taking the Pirates back to.

I never quit the kingdom. I was removed. (And what you didn't see is me telling Valder in forum PM's "If you regret taking pirates' Governorship from me(as he said in the thread when he left), why not just give Governorship back to me. I'd be happy to take it again." Of course I'd still be happy to take the Governorship back. Unfortunatly, that's not my choice. And many people seem to believe I was the worst Governor all though these facts remain:
1. When I was put as Governor, I immedietly put some RP rules into effect.
2. I was IC all the time if I was on tag.. and most of the time, I was on tag.
3. All events during my time were RP-only.
4. RPing activity boosts up since the beginning of my Governorship. Instead of the common high-leveled bad/non-RPers, the population of the kingdom is more known for low-leveled great RPers (some of which who quit because they see that there's bad RPing on Graal, and some of which who have gained high in levels... and others still just take it easy and RP..)
5. After removing me, Valder has RP rules, but noone really has to follow them.
6. Valder then gets bored and quits and gives Pirates to someone who isn't even involved (was he ever?).
7. This new someone seems to have NO RP rules. (Whether you accept it or not, kingdoms were originally intended to be RP groups... RP groups are for RPing, not walking around, acting like a member, and NEVER RPing)
8. Members (including high officials as the Governor) are seen on tag being only OOC (members crowding around the Governor and being OOC is one scene I remember and took a screenshot of...), and claim to RP only on their island.

See where things went downhill? It's all about the RPing really...

edit: (saying more)

Originally posted by kc5ikc
Though returning to a similar format that was instated in the past, I don't wish to see the Pirates secluded from society as before in the Roleplay sense.

That system (seclusion...) was done away with... but then I was removed anyways by means which MarkB now refers to as "illegal". I hope what he says is not true. That would mean *gasp* he's illegally Governor.

[busyrobot]

I won't comment on MarkB or Mark not to be, but I will say that Ziro really was removed by CP, not Valder.

CP's replacing Ziro with Valder may not have gone as CP wished, based on how Valder handled power, (inactivity, passing kingdom to non-member, etc) but he did replace Ziro, which is one thing people did agree was good.

I am sorry - its nothing personal against Ziro. I just feel that it is in poor taste to blame Valder for Ziro's removal, when it was CP that had been trying to get Ziro to step down for a good while running, that got Valder's attention in the first place.

[skyler87]

Why must everyone complain about leadership in Pirates all the time? For gods sake, look at Dustari, or Forest. Take care of them before you complain about a few little things that really amount to nothing in Pirates.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by busyrobot
. I just feel that it is in poor taste to blame Valder for Ziro's removal, when it was CP that had been trying to get Ziro to step down for a good while running, that got Valder's attention in the first place.

Noone blamed Valder. CP didn't remove me. Misty Di added Valder as Governor. Valder then removed me. As for people wanting me to step down, it was all based on meaningless arguments people brought forth due to me simply enforcing RPing in the kingdom. That's what it all came down to. People simply saw it as a chance to throw in their own arguments and create a big problem.

[Satrek2000]

Originally posted by skyler87
Why must everyone complain about leadership in Pirates all the time? For gods sake, look at Dustari, or Forest. Take care of them before you complain about a few little things that really amount to nothing in Pirates.

As far as I can see, Dustari's leadership works fine, and the kingdom's prospering. Forest is certainly a bit different, as it's being worked on any nobody knows when it will be done, but I don't see a problem of leadership there, either. The point is that it amounts to something for the pirates, and that if it did properly, there would be more of them

[GoZelda]

When's Mark posting? o.o;
He's active, i know, i saw him on Era.

[WanDaMan]

Originally posted by GoZelda
When's Mark posting? o.o;
He's active, i know, i saw him on Era.

Mark should be playing alot more.
He's quit ALL his servers apart from Era and Graal Kingdoms, guess we'll just have to wait?

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by skyler87
Why must everyone complain about leadership in Pirates all the time? For gods sake, look at Dustari, or Forest. Take care of them before you complain about a few little things that really amount to nothing in Pirates.

What a silly thing to say o_O
The people in Dustari are happy, they're content with their leaders, and their leaders don't create any problems. Happy members = happy kingdom = happy leaders.
Forest, blah, what's the point in even talking about forest at all? You think a new leader would make it better? Nah. I don't know anything about chris or his abilities as a leader, but if another one was put in place right now, it would be the wrong choice. There are no leaders to choose from on kingdoms right now, so whoever else was put in control would probably just recruit *****s and stuff, or not even bother for very long to revive forest, and all chris' [supposed] work will have gone to a complete waste. Right now, chris = forest, and chris = happy. So forest = fine.

Pirates, on the other hand, are miserable (the ones of them that even care about Roleplaying and their kingdom, anyway). Their leader is inactive, and has screwed up the ranks, and has screwed up the rights, and has pretty much just aided in the screwing up of the kingdom. People are complaining about the leadership in pirates because it upsets them. There is something wrong with this kingdom, whereas dustari (and forest?) are fine. What the hell prevents you from understanding such a simple thing?

[MarkB]

Well, most kingdom leaders would close a thread like this. However, I will not. My grandmother has been very sick lately, haveing consecutive heart attacks in two days, back to back. That is the reason for my inactivity as of late. I plan on getting back into the game more, once I find out the fate my grandma. I appoligize to all whom I have let down during this time, but it has been hard.

I am still waiting on the pirate items, and I am adding a few Pirates to debug, so we can release some new things. I hope you people stick with me, for you will see new things in the future.

Cyrin, I would have considered you my friend. However, I guess not. If you were a friend, you would have came to me 1 on 1 about an issue like this, rather than going for a publicity stunt on the forums.

I have been acting rather immature lately, pissed off about all the **** that is going on with my grand mother and what not. I have added Padren to ignore, someone who I would have valued as a friend 3 months ago. A lot of things that I have done, I regret.

These poles however, are useless. I have decided already, that if I do decide to resign as governor of Pirates, I will not appoint someone myself to be Governor. I have decided that I will let the leaders of neighboring kingdoms choose who will lead Pirates, as they will know what is best. I am not resigning, do not take this as a resignation in any way, shape, or form. This is moreless in case I need to take the last resort.

-MarkB

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Why the hell are there always leaders who either have problems in their lives that won't let them lead the right way (Valder and his computer issues, saying it kept him from being active...and now MarkB), instead of leaders with nothing else to do but play Graal and have no problem doing so. Remember those guys? Remember me? Sure, I had computer problems... I was on an older computer than I am now and it would shut off on me periodically, but I didn't bother to tell anyone about my problems like Valder did. I worked with things as best as I could. Nor did I tell everyone of my personal problems. I had people take care of things if I couldn't be around. If anyone, only they would know why I couldn't do things myself. See how well that worked out? Things went uphill during since leadership, and have gone back down since I left -.-
It's only a matter of time before we can say that if there were an equivilant of bad to how good things were in Ghost Pirate's days... these days will be it. Let it be known as the Anti-Ghost Pirate Era (or Anti-GP Era for short)

[Myukoi]

I like mark. Ziro was too strict, he removed me one day without any notice. Not even a possible IC reason. I agree mark doesen't do any rp good, and pirates isn't a strict rp kingdom as before, but he seems to like pirates alot, look at his avatar, and he's doing alot. Kingdoms isn't RP, it's pk, quest, and that's about all. So yeah, i think mark should stay.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by Myukoi
Kingdoms isn't RP, it's pk

And that's the problem. It's why there has to be change. It's why I did/encouraged everything EXCEPT for that during my leadership.

[CaptainDax]

Ziro for guv'na.

And that's -all- I have to say.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by CaptainDax
Ziro for guv'na.

And that's -all- I have to say.

A reason always helps
Though I already probably know yours

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by MarkB
My grandmother has been very sick lately, haveing consecutive heart attacks in two days, back to back.

I know I speak for just about everyone in saying we all hope she recovers swiftly and fully, and will be back to her old self in no time.

I have added Padren to ignore, someone who I would have valued as a friend 3 months ago.

I only reported a map jumper and offer to try and help with the broken ranks.

- edit, I also made a mass supporting Nayoko that I saw made you put me on ignore again

These poles however, are useless. I have decided already, that if I do decide to resign as governor of Pirates, I will not appoint someone myself to be Governor. I have decided that I will let the leaders of neighboring kingdoms choose who will lead Pirates, as they will know what is best.

Polls are not totally useless, you need to know how people feel.
When they show the will of a kingdom, its important to listen to them. Since you may not be active for a little bit yet, you may want to be more open with the various rights with trusted people in your kingdom. No one can do it alone. I think the frustration arrises out of people in CP not being able to do anything, and wait on you when you are not there.

Just talk to your people, find out what the largest problems are, and find ways to solve them. That doesn't require high activity - just moments of productive time.

[MarkB]

Originally posted by busyrobot

I know I speak for just about everyone in saying we all hope she recovers swiftly and fully, and will be back to her old self in no time.


I only reported a map jumper and offer to try and help with the broken ranks.

- edit, I also made a mass supporting Nayoko that I saw made you put me on ignore again



Polls are not totally useless, you need to know how people feel.
When they show the will of a kingdom, its important to listen to them. Since you may not be active for a little bit yet, you may want to be more open with the various rights with trusted people in your kingdom. No one can do it alone. I think the frustration arrises out of people in CP not being able to do anything, and wait on you when you are not there.

Just talk to your people, find out what the largest problems are, and find ways to solve them. That doesn't require high activity - just moments of productive time.

Rights aren't the problem, yet, rights are the problem. Look what happened to Nayoko today. I am very open with rights, however, not with the add rank. Someone Nayoko trusted, used her trust against her. That won't happen to me. The people who need the rights, have the rights.

People are suaded very easily.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by MarkB


Rights aren't the problem, yet, rights are the problem. Look what happened to Nayoko today. I am very open with rights, however, not with the add rank. Someone Nayoko trusted, used her trust against her. That won't happen to me. The people who need the rights, have the rights.

People are suaded very easily.

Having trustworthy people have rights is a valuable part of being a leader. If you don't have anyone you can trust, you lack something important and can only be running a one-man show. I had people I could trust. I was removed because it was unknown that a certain person had the right to give someone leadership. This person wasn't supposed to have those rights because... well, it wasn't a trustworthy person

[MarkB]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec



Having trustworthy people have rights is a valuable part of being a leader. If you don't have anyone you can trust, you lack something important and can only be running a one-man show. I had people I could trust. I was removed because it was unknown that a certain person had the right to give someone leadership. This person wasn't supposed to have those rights because... well, it wasn't a trustworthy person

Doubt it, seeing as how you personally gave Valder that right. There was not a big deal when you were removed because people supported Valder. You act as if he made himself Governor, and no one supported him.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally posted by Myukoi
look at his avatar, and he's doing alot. Kingdoms isn't RP, it's pk, quest, and that's about all.

OWOW! If i put my avatar as "I <3 Stabbing myself" because i've just been given a position of great power within a Cult of self-stabbing, it doesn't mean that i actually do enjoy stabbing myself
Putting his avatar as a pirate-y theme isn't helping his kingdom. why did you even bother saying that? o_o

Originally posted by CaptainDax
Ziro for guv'na.

And that's -all- I have to say.

***** XD hahahahahha etc etc etc

Originally posted by MarkB

I have decided already, that if I do decide to resign as governor of Pirates, I will not appoint someone myself to be Governor. I have decided that I will let the leaders of neighboring kingdoms choose who will lead Pirates, as they will know what is best.

-MarkB

Hey, that doesn't seem to fit though X_X
I agree it sounds like the best choice, and they probably will know what is best, but surely a pirate governor wouldn't just hand his kingdom over to foreigners who aren't even allied with him?

[FireFly20]

Originally posted by MarkB


Someone Nayoko trusted, used her trust against her. That won't happen to me.

Nayoko never trusted me from what i here she was talking smack behing my back. But anywho Ziro and MarkB both i think have some good qualities about them. Why not do it this way. both be joint leaders.

[GoZelda]

I hereby apologise for the thread i made, while MarkB's grandmother was sick. Especially because the 'grandmother' of my country has just died. If it could be deleted, please do that, because i think that i'd be more of a help now by aiding Mark then starting a revolution. Close it or whatever.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by MarkB


Doubt it, seeing as how you personally gave Valder that right. There was not a big deal when you were removed because people supported Valder. You act as if he made himself Governor, and no one supported him.

Wrong. Misty Di gave Valder Governorship. She had these rights: ADGH(probably P, and [unlikely,but maybe] R). She added Valder, gave him a rank with all rights, and then he was able to remove me and take over the kingdom... I added Valder earlier around that time as a normal rank and didn't give him rights (he requested the rank with all the rights and I didn't want to give it to him...), so he ended up quitting anyways.

[busyrobot]

Nayoko got KJ back because KJ luvs her.

and the two who removed her were banned.

[Lyndzey]

I'm sorry to hear about your Grandmother too

But I have to ask, why do you play Era so often? If your Grandmother's heart attack is keeping you from playing Graal, then why are you able to play Era? ...

I don't think a new leader is needed quite yet. I just think that there need to be some Pirates that step up and try to help those that have RPing problems. They do not need rights to do these types of things. It's not always the leaders fault, it also has to do with the players in the kingdom.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by busyrobot
Nayoko got KJ back because KJ luvs her.

and the two who removed her were banned.

Members of KJ obviously did NOT "luv" her. In the same sense, members of the Crescent Pirates (now sadly known as Pirates) supported me while others did not.

[FireFly20]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec


Members of KJ obviously did NOT "luv" her. In the same sense, members of the Crescent Pirates (now sadly known as Pirates) supported me while others did not.

Thanks Ziro my point exactly.

[LoveableNalle]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec


Members of KJ obviously did NOT "luv" her. In the same sense, members of the Crescent Pirates (now sadly known as Pirates) supported me while others did not.

Out of over 200 memebers only 2 didn't luv me 1 of them power hungry other was mad because I refused to allow dayaa back into the kingdom. Two bad apples don't speak for a kingdom.

[WanDaMan]

Originally posted by LoveableNalle

Out of over 200 memebers only 2 didn't luv me 1 of them power hungry other was mad because I refused to allow dayaa back into the kingdom. Two bad apples don't speak for a kingdom.

Ignore them, he just wants back in Pirates or what eva

[narkotic]

Originally posted by MarkB
These poles however, are useless. I have decided already, that if I do decide to resign as governor of Pirates, I will not appoint someone myself to be Governor. I have decided that I will let the leaders of neighboring kingdoms choose who will lead Pirates, as they will know what is best. I am not resigning, do not take this as a resignation in any way, shape, or form. This is moreless in case I need to take the last resort.

I apologize for butting in; wait a minute, I don't.

The above mentions that you will not appoint a new governor, that the leaders of the other kingdoms will. If you are indeed supportive of RP means and mechanics for this game, then you are in fact commiting an act of heresy in the sense of pirates. Why should other kingdoms have influence on pirates? Have you forgotten what it means to be a pirate? I can understand for OOC matters why you would want approval for an heir, but then again, the political position of 'Governor' is in fact an elected position.

I can understand if you would not want to appoint your own successor, I commend you for this. Would it not make more sense, then, for your own members to decide who should take the reins after you decide to leave? I mean, who is impacted the most by the next leader after you decide your time is done? The actual members of the kingdom.

I feel your pain on the matters of your family and sickness with those you hold close to you. You must also understand, that these matters were not known to anyone until you responded to this post. To be honest, it is your responsibility as a leader to keep your people informed. By doing so, you will find it easier to find people you can 'trust' with the commands needed to keep the kingdom's flow even when personal matters take you away from the computer.

Good luck, pirates.

[Satrek2000]

How about the pirate members selecting someone a majority would like to have as leader, then the other leaders comment on that person and if nothing comes up, he or she is chosen.

[busyrobot]

having other kingdom leaders aid in the selection of a new governor would be OOC. When that person is selected, an IC RP would be developed for that individual.

I know all the kingdom leaders wouldn't want CP to have to have a non-pirate leader, a vote would undoubtly be involved. The role of Kingdom leaders in the selection would likely just to be sure it was a fair process.

[GoZelda]

Originally posted by Satrek2000
How about the pirate members selecting someone a majority would like to have as leader, then the other leaders comment on that person and if nothing comes up, he or she is chosen.

The one that was nominated for Governor when Valder left was passed by.

[FireFly20]

Originally posted by LoveableNalle

Out of over 200 memebers only 2 didn't luv me 1 of them power hungry other was mad because I refused to allow dayaa back into the kingdom. Two bad apples don't speak for a kingdom.

Might want to get the rest of the story before you assume it was just becasue of that reason.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by LoveableNalle

Out of over 200 memebers only 2 didn't luv me 1 of them power hungry other was mad because I refused to allow dayaa back into the kingdom. Two bad apples don't speak for a kingdom.

Sorry, Nalle. I didn't intend for some kind of argument or to be against you. I was just pointing out how things aren't very consistent. (You were helped and I wasn't.) But since you bring it up... are you proud of having over 200 members listed in your kingdom? Do you know how many people even play GK (it's probably only 200, people come and go)? Having 200 members likely means your list lacked cleaning.

[LoveableNalle]

Originally posted by FireFly20


Might want to get the rest of the story before you assume it was just becasue of that reason.

Oh I have the rest of the story. I know you and Hawk went around asking the members how they felt about me and the questions weren't given in a neutal tone either. In other words you were trying to get them to go against me. When you were dissappointed at their answers you abused the bug anyways.

By the way most of the people in the kingdom didn't even know who you were, much less wanted you as king.

[tc_topcat]

can i point out that this is the PIRATES forum...want to argue about the KJ thing take it to your own section:grrr:

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by GoZelda

The one that was nominated for Governor when Valder left was passed by.

Yes, I did notice that. I think everyone noticed it seems odd that the person (Notice Damix and Crint_Eastawood supported Cyrin, as well as myself... no other person was voted for more than once like that) who was nominated was ignored while the person who was given Governorship was not even mentioned and was only then said to be "not lazy" upon being chosen and the thread was closed...