5, a good number?

[Valder]

Originally posted by WanDaMan
Well the odds are even with Pirates having lots of the best players on graal kingdoms, so don't start crap about them being crap and all. For god sake mark probably gives them items like he did with his kingdom TBC or something..

Don't complain because you didn't get anything :-/

As for the alliance thing. It's pretty stupid IMO. There should be another kingdom, OR alliances shouldn't be able to be made. Yet another reason why GK is unbalanced and boring.

[Nidonemo]

Originally posted by haunter

OMG sex scandel!

::Bursts out laughing::

[busyrobot]

who wants to get PKed in a dumb war, when I was a soldier Dustari lost a war with the Astri, and it sucked. Our king had to agree to an alliance with them that he hated, and made everyone hate him, and no one had fun.

In short:
It stinks being owned, so we have a strong kingdom and strong alliances that will prevent that from happening again - who wouldn't?

Should I hold a vote on the Dustari forums 'should we be lame instead?'


If there was real wars, it might be interesting to have them.

Right now, they are PK fests with respawners *cough*mark*cough* who seem to only want (delusionally) to be able to validate some means to remove a leader they don't like for very non-rp reasons.

So, right now, I am very sure, the alliance makes gameplay far better, not worse. We can RP fun kingdom events and not worry that we'll be attacked in 20 minutes, that people will get PKed by members of an aggressive kingdom and nothing will be able to be done about it because they 'own you'.

Our Alliance has not been an agressor even once, and has always been fair.

Lets get a good war system in place.


Side note: adding another kingdom would be not so hard I bet, only because its all been done before - 5 times, other than custom gfx for buildings, if needed.

If Ziro got in trouble for not RPing pirates as a kingdom with the rest of GK, (jagen said that bordered on breaking the eula or something) then what the heck is Chris doing?
5th Kingdom back please, before 2k5?

[--Chris--]

What the hell am I doing? I'll repeat, IF YOU DON'T WANT UPDATES BUT WANT PLAYERWISE THINGS RIGHT NOW SAY SO
Furthermore making kingdoms not RP or mistreating players because of your position in a kingdom is quite a different situation than taking down a kingdom for reconstruction (with the support of the members =D! ) Holy crap, did I mention half of the things aren't done because I don't have adequate rights and the people that do have yet to suifficiently help me?

"Right now, they are PK fests with respawners *cough*mark*cough* who seem to only want (delusionally) to be able to validate some means to remove a leader they don't like for very non-rp reasons."

That leader was also put in place with "un-RP reason" with a poor attempt as RP to justify it <3

Anyways, back on topic; another kingdom is not only uneccessary but does more bad than good as the playerbase is small. Oh and one kingdom can possibly wipe out two so why can't two not defeat 3? Personally I don't think it would be THAT bad to add another kingdom but bleh X_x

[Nidonemo]

The more the merrier?

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by --Chris--
What the hell am I doing? I'll repeat, IF YOU DON'T WANT UPDATES BUT WANT PLAYERWISE THINGS RIGHT NOW SAY SO

Chris, all I am saying is I've seen playerworlds written out on napkins that have more detail than I've seen of Forest, and while you plan on doing more on a rainy day, GK is now a 4 kingdom game until further notice.

Sorry to be harsh, maybe I would be better to say, what is happening with forest? Why the hold ups? When will GK get our 5th kingdom back? I am all in favor of building things up better, as long as it happens.


Is there a place where you list what's been done? I actually find it quite interesting, I think an elven culture would be excellent. I just wonder if you need to be proded a bit, it seems dead in the water for now, and I've seen zero evidence to the contrary.

If you hold a kingdom under water continuiously for months to rebirth it later, understand people will want to have some info on the progression and condition of the thing.

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by busyrobot

If Ziro got in trouble for not RPing pirates as a kingdom with the rest of GK, (jagen said that bordered on breaking the eula or something) then what the heck is Chris doing?
5th Kingdom back please, before 2k5?

Stop making me sound like some kind of evil comic antagonizing villain. The only trouble I got in was with the members complaining because they disliked RPing, yet wanted to join a kingdom (though kingdoms are initially ment for roleplaying...), and then they wanted to have me removed because they obviously didn't agree with me. My biggest problem was that I enforced RPing and got mad at people who were there only to cause trouble. Every member who joined had to undergo an RP test and was shown that CP was a kingdom for RPing. That means if you were to go on tag, it was for RPing... Yet, even after reading the rules and undergoing an RP test, some members would use non-RP names on the RPing tag... some would just be talking non-RP talk while on tag... Things like this are what got me against them. I was nice enough to give them chances and just complained to them about how they behaved like idiotic children. It was nice of me to do this since they did these things even after reading the rules and having to prove knowledge and ability of RPing... Yet they still complained and wanted me thrown out or have me change my ways. I should have simply solved the problem by removing them.

I didn't want CP to waste their effort trying to RP with other kingdoms when the other kingdoms had leaders who said "lol" during RP events... they were given plenty of time and chances to change their ways (I did it instantly when becoming Governor). So then, I decided we had to keep to ourselves... otherwise it's bad RPing if we understand these people saying things like "Rping is so teh stupid" or "Go to Val if you want to play like that." while in-game and while we're RPing.

The kingdom was all fine untill those trouble-makers came in, and started causing problems. My flaw was that I didn't remove the trouble-makers who then gained support from even the best RPers in the kingdom.

If you join an RP group and are not RPing, you're only there to cause problems. That's simple enough. It's interrupting other players' gameplay and ruining fun for them. I know I surely dislike trying to RP while some idiot comes up running to me, slashes me, and says "lol, pmode nub". Or even if they're trying to be helpfull... "lol u hafta use a gov weapon b4 u can kill the rexes"... EVERY kingdom has people who do this (the OOC talk)... I take screenshots daily... It's sad.

Jagen did say he believed it may be against some code (and would make sure I answer a call of war from another kingdom if the need comes... though I see that as ridiculous if I was only going to have to send my people into a PK fest to just be PKed multiple times by people who are saying things like "nubs dont u event no how 2 figth"... I've discussed with Padren before how we could avoid having stupid wars like that... if you're forced into it, it'll just be exactly like what we discussed avoiding- PK fest), but I never was actually getting into any trouble with the admins for this...

Edit: Also, Chris, about leaders being put into place without RP reason...
Notice this...
1. Valders puts me as Governor and does not have roleplay reason for it. (if the need ever comes, I just say I became acknowledged as a good pirate by him as I became a Captain and became known around the "kingdom"...)
2. Valder's plot has me "illegally" (according to MarkB, the very person Valder put as Governor) removed.
3. Valder has no RP reason/story to removing me.
4. I set up a roleplaying story to my removal and my runaway from the island.
5. Valder then puts MarkB as Governor, and no RP story is put in for this.
6. Valder leaves again with no RPing story to his leave.

And I'm the bad guy here? x.x

[Satrek2000]

Originally posted by busyrobot
In short:
It stinks being owned

I agree with that. Right now, there can hardly be proper wars which can be counted as fun even for those who lose. This can't really be true for "wars" that last less than an hour.

[tc_topcat]

Originally posted by Ziro_Vitrudestec

Edit: Also, Chris, about leaders being put into place without RP reason...
Notice this...
1. Valders puts me as Governor and does not have roleplay reason for it. (if the need ever comes, I just say I became acknowledged as a good pirate by him as I became a Captain and became known around the "kingdom"...)
2. Valder's plot has me "illegally" (according to MarkB, the very person Valder put as Governor) removed.
3. Valder has no RP reason/story to removing me.
4. I set up a roleplaying story to my removal and my runaway from the island.
5. Valder then puts MarkB as Governor, and no RP story is put in for this.
6. Valder leaves again with no RPing story to his leave.

And I'm the bad guy here? x.x

You have a good point there ziro

[--Chris--]

"Chris, all I am saying is I've seen playerworlds written out on napkins that have more detail than I've seen of Forest"

The levels have not been completed. Loriel offered to do something to wipe the random flower images and such off the terrain for me so I can make my own patterns with 'em and mushrooms and such and Calani is supposed to assist me with the outside levels and Stefan hasn't set her debug access with rw to forest levels yet.

If you read the forums you'd have the answers to most of your questions Padren. I think I'm gonna make and sticky a progress thread with every little detail, each level, each item, etc and a little "complete: yes/no" and such but of course many things need to be put in place before I can even start alot of things, the above paragraph before this is an example or two

To Ziro: I was refering to how Padren became leader of Dustari :x

[Ziro_Vitrudestec]

Originally posted by --Chris--

To Ziro: I was refering to how Padren became leader of Dustari :x

Oh...thought you were referring to MarkB or Valder becoming leader of CP after myself...

[busyrobot]

Chris, I looked through all the threads you started in the last year in the forest forum, I saw the one from 8/6/03 where you kinda quit, but that's about it.

There are two older ones, one where you make a general, and other, I think its where you become Aran, but that's all I see.

If you read the forums you'd have the answers to most of your questions Padren.

Link?

About Tseng, listen, the man promised he'd go if he ever got badly inactive again - it was a condition of our terms when 90% of dustari chose to return after leaving in protest. He was absent for 6 months following that.

If you played GK still, you may have known about that.


Well, I guess I am in a combatitive mood, I just want to see some progress Chris, its not your Kingdom, it's GK's kingdom, and when people talk about adding a 5th kingdom to the game, and we already are supposed to have one, what you are up to does become up for critique.


You shouldn't feel singled out or offended by that, its proper for the situation.

[--Chris--]

Grr there are 38 threads, you couldn't have possibly read them all thoroughly and neither am I to prove you wrong. The point of time I quit James was appointed King but was later banned or something, I then returned.

The thing is with the Tseng situation is that you removed him illegally. You could have had the decency to do it formally, it really seemed like you saw a dishonest opportunity to become king with your power hungry self, regardless of it being wrong you went ahead and decided to take it. If he was removed formally you weren't neccessarily be given kingship, maybe that is why you did it? If I still played GK? I'm on daily, hell I can't even say daily - it's more like hourly.

You want progress? Speak to Jagen, Stefan, etc because they're who I'm forced to rely on. I have no other choice but to sit around for days and wait on them and only bloody hope they aren't too busy to help me with scripting and things I don't have rights to. I've asked members before (even in this thread) if they prefer to have playerwise things done now and screw major updates or if they'd wait and they've still chosen to wait. You've also said it yourself in a thread debating Lance being removed..I believe it was somewhere along the lines of "the difference between you and Lance is that your members are happy."

They spoke of an even number of kingdoms (6), not 5 as it's an odd number which supposedly gives a 2 vs 3 advantage in an allianced situation like the current one. Singled out or offended? Nah, I'm just defending myself from your unthought ignorance and preventing the people that would absorb it without further consideration from making me waste my time.

[Nappa]

<3 for chris.. none for anybody else.

[WanDaMan]

Originally posted by Valder


Don't complain because you didn't get anything :-/

As for the alliance thing. It's pretty stupid IMO. There should be another kingdom, OR alliances shouldn't be able to be made. Yet another reason why GK is unbalanced and boring.

If I wanted anything I could get it off NY/Bosh or my brother, retard.

I'm not complaining at all but it's unfair on all the other kingdoms.
Forest is dead get a new kingdom in.