Local, Global ban evasions

WHIPENIE4 · #1 01-28-2004, 12:34 AM

well, i was in a discussion with big Stormio after local and global ban evasion, he says Local Ban Evasion DOES NOT exist according to unixmad. Whats that show? FACT or MYTH?

zell12 · #2 01-28-2004, 01:19 AM

I think that if someone is banned, it is only their account. However, that is not how it should be. Players should be banned if they do anything wrong, just for certian time periods, no more jail. But most players don't have a static ip, so we would have to issue a number to all players for them to login to the client, which is registered to their account as well, so that can be banned.

WHIPENIE4 · #3 01-28-2004, 01:43 AM

i think if they buy more then one account they should be able to play. thats cash for unixmad.

zell12 · #4 01-28-2004, 02:01 AM

True, but causes trouble for playerworld administration. So it is contrversial.

WHIPENIE4 · #5 01-28-2004, 02:20 AM

if they're that stupid to cause more problems then yea. say ello to my little fren the ban stik

jake13jake · #6 01-28-2004, 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by WHIPENIE4
i think if they buy more then one account they should be able to play. thats cash for unixmad.

This has to be the single most ignorant excuse for banning being on an account by account basis that I have ever heard. The sad part of it is the number of people I've heard it from-- the most notable being Stryker, our friendly Graal Classic GP Administrator.

Milkdude99 · #7 01-28-2004, 03:05 AM

Ok it seems you have missed the purpose of jail. Unless they are hacking you Jail. This creates a history of behavior and if they continue to abuse their right to play then you ban. If you don't ban the player on ALL accounts you have defeated the purpose of the banning in the first place. They have no reason at all to modify their behavior if they know they can just get on another account and do it all over again. Not to say the stress of Staff that has to deal with the abusive player over and over again.

No if it is serious enough to ban over because of a clear history of abuse and jailing doesn't work, then it is serious enough to ban all known accounts they have. Ban is not to be taken lightly or take the place of jailing. Jailing as lame as it may be sometimes with some people still serves the purpose of creating the history needed of abuse. For most jailing is enough and they profit by it but for others I agree, it's just a process to seal their eventual outcome.

Thought · #8 01-28-2004, 03:13 AM

On Era we treat ban evasion as more of a 'privilege', eg, some staff enforce it, some staff do not. It's up to the staff that banned the person.

WHIPENIE4 · #9 01-28-2004, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Ok it seems you have missed the purpose of jail. Unless they are hacking you Jail. This creates a history of behavior and if they continue to abuse their right to play then you ban. If you don't ban the player on ALL accounts you have defeated the purpose of the banning in the first place. They have no reason at all to modify their behavior if they know they can just get on another account and do it all over again. Not to say the stress of Staff that has to deal with the abusive player over and over again.

No if it is serious enough to ban over because of a clear history of abuse and jailing doesn't work, then it is serious enough to ban all known accounts they have. Ban is not to be taken lightly or take the place of jailing. Jailing as lame as it may be sometimes with some people still serves the purpose of creating the history needed of abuse. For most jailing is enough and they profit by it but for others I agree, it's just a process to seal their eventual outcome.

Yes but money is money. We all don't have the money to waste. Maybe some rich nerd who cant talk **** anywhere else so they take it to graal. But I've been in this position. I have been a GP in times when Classic had players. I've been Assistant Police Chief on 2001 when the Chief was voted on. That pretty much got my graal started off. that was my first serious position. And now I am working almost a year as a GC on Classic. I enjoy my job. We are tormented more then anyone else, but if you cant take it, why try out? But thats the way i see it. Some just want power. well. I think thats enough.

jake13jake · #10 01-28-2004, 04:10 AM

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Originally posted by WHIPENIE4

Yes but money is money. We all don't have the money to waste. Maybe some rich nerd who cant talk **** anywhere else so they take it to graal. But I've been in this position. I have been a GP in times when Classic had players. I've been Assistant Police Chief on 2001 when the Chief was voted on. That pretty much got my graal started off. that was my first serious position. And now I am working almost a year as a GC on Classic. I enjoy my job. We are tormented more then anyone else, but if you cant take it, why try out? But thats the way i see it. Some just want power. well. I think thats enough.

Let me refer to myself saying that you are the longest playing newb on Graal.

UNPTWOPWINNER · #11 01-28-2004, 04:13 AM

Since when is it simply "ban"?
There are different types of ban, account local ban, account global ban, IP ban, ban on sight.
Each carry a different penalty.

Local Account Ban, being the most common, is banning an account and that account only on one server. This goes for the less serious but still banable crimes.

Everyone knows what global ban is for. Same as Local except everywhere? Duh.

IP Ban is an attempt to try and get rid of a person. For the serious of serious stuff.

And Ban on Sight is self explainatory. This is for hackers and such. Ban them on sight.

Next time you bring up the word "ban", think about which ban you're talking about.

Edit:To end this crap about ban evasion. Local yes, Global no.
There's a level of seriousness to both, as stated in my post. 'Nuff said.
Let it be known! I care not about Unixmad's money making ideas, only that my players get a fair chance to change their ways after being banned once.

-Stryker, YES Stryker the GP Admin on Classic....just different account....joys.

WHIPENIE4 · #12 01-28-2004, 04:18 AM

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Originally posted by UNPTWOPWINNER
Since when is it simply "ban"?
There are different types of ban, account local ban, account global ban, IP ban, ban on sight.
Each carry a different penalty.

Local Account Ban, being the most common, is banning an account and that account only on one server. This goes for the less serious but still banable crimes.

Everyone knows what global ban is for. Same as Local except everywhere? Duh.

IP Ban is an attempt to try and get rid of a person. For the serious of serious stuff.

And Ban on Sight is self explainatory. This is for hackers and such. Ban them on sight.

Next time you bring up the word "ban", think about which ban you're talking about.

-Stryker, YES Stryker the GP Admin on Classic....just different account....joys.

He just owned you all

zell12 · #13 01-28-2004, 04:48 AM

There is no rule that says you have to jail people... I prefer banning players who are dumb.

HoudiniMan · #14 01-28-2004, 05:37 AM

I believe Unixmad once stated on these forums that you ban only for the account(s) the infractions were commited on.

Lance · #15 01-28-2004, 05:48 AM

I ban a person, I do not ban an account. If someone has lost the priviledge of playing, they have lost the priviledge of playing.

It is up to the individual server to decide whether or not local ban evasion is a punishable offense or not (as far as I am aware - I have not been told to the contrary).