Graalian Awards - UC Playerworld of the Year!

[Mykel]

If you don't know what this is about read the Graalian Awards thread in the Main forum. But this is to vote for the UC PW of the year!

This vote should be based on what server you think has made the greatest strides.

[MadWolf]

I like Shifting Ages and Oasis, but since Oasis is so hyped up I put my vote on SA.

[HoudiniMan]

Niether release sufficient data to make an educated evaluation.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by MadWolf
I like Shifting Ages and Oasis, but since Oasis is so hyped up I put my vote on SA.

Aren't they both hyped up..?

[Mykel]

Originally posted by Spark910


Aren't they both hyped up..?

Indeed, but Oasis more-so.

I voted for SA because I worked there for a fair amount of time, and know more about it.

[-Albus]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
Niether release sufficient data to make an educated evaluation.

I think you're just angry because you weren't let on the overworld for SA .

[Androk]

I'd vote for Doragon Koden, but it's not there!

So I vote for Oasis, because I at least know some part of what has been done x.X

[SingleChance]

i think Doragon Koden deserves to be up there more then Valikorlia o_o

anyways my vote goes to oasis

[Eric_1337]

Well sure a playerworld that has been UC for like 2 years or something is gonna be atleast desent, I think it's rediculous how long Oasis has been up.

SA has made the most improvement out of all of them, SA has caught up to Oasis in like a 10th amount of the time which is very good.

Val, eh... I never like it at all... don't know why it's up there.

But since I have seen next to nothing from both... I'm not going to vote, I'd suggest Oasis get itself into gear or it's going to be over-taken by other upcoming servers. If you have been working on it that much for this long, I don't understand how we either haven't seen atleast a little little little more or that it isn't up already.

You know, Faheria did the same as Oasis did, tried to make it as great as possible, remaking over 3-4 overworlds to get a perfect overworld, awesome systems and npc's and UC for a long long time, look at where it is now. -.-

[konidias]

Originally posted by Eric_1337
Well sure a playerworld that has been UC for like 2 years or something is gonna be atleast desent, I think it's rediculous how long Oasis has been up.

SA has made the most improvement out of all of them, SA has caught up to Oasis in like a 10th amount of the time which is very good.

Val, eh... I never like it at all... don't know why it's up there.

But since I have seen next to nothing from both... I'm not going to vote, I'd suggest Oasis get itself into gear or it's going to be over-taken by other upcoming servers. If you have been working on it that much for this long, I don't understand how we either haven't seen atleast a little little little more or that it isn't up already.

You know, Faheria did the same as Oasis did, tried to make it as great as possible, remaking over 3-4 overworlds to get a perfect overworld, awesome systems and npc's and UC for a long long time, look at where it is now. -.-

Where do you get your information? The back of a cereal box? How do you know SA is "caught up" to Oasis? Do you know the exact status of both servers? You also have to realise that Oasis is my first playerworld, while Soulblade has had experience with one already, so it's only fair to give me more time. Because when you think about it, Soulblade has been in the playerworld game a lot longer than I have, and has yet to release a public world. So in reality, SA has been in the works since Murasamune.

Oasis isn't having it's overworld remade 3-4 times either. It's the simple fact that while I am working alone, Soulblade has some help.

Anyway, what is wrong with hype? Hype is usually followed by good things. Of course, sometimes the hype will build up just to let people down in the end, but that's not always true. I just figured this should be a fair competition. Like "I like <pw> because I think it will be good" not "I like <pw> because it isn't as hyped." or "I like <pw> because I worked for it" or "I like <pw> because it's getting done faster".

[Androk]

What's the point in remaking overworld? x.X I mean it's silly, you spend a lot of tiome making first then say: Hmm... Nah, and make new one? It's waste of time. People just have to get thier ideas and thoughts and plans straight first, and then go into development.

[Eric_1337]

Originally posted by konidias


Where do you get your information? The back of a cereal box? How do you know SA is "caught up" to Oasis? Do you know the exact status of both servers? You also have to realise that Oasis is my first playerworld, while Soulblade has had experience with one already, so it's only fair to give me more time. Because when you think about it, Soulblade has been in the playerworld game a lot longer than I have, and has yet to release a public world. So in reality, SA has been in the works since Murasamune.

You're right, Soulblade has had past experience and you're right, I don't know how far either of you are on your servers, but from what I've seen and read through all of each others posting and through all of your progress SA is either caught up to you or he is closing in at a very fast pace, it won't be long until he has caught up to the unberably long awaited Oasis. No single server should have that much time to get through a server. Even if this is your first project. It has been a tendency that a server thats been UC for that long has never followed through.

There would be nothing more pleasing then to see this server finally get completed after however long it has taken to build it.

It doesn't matter take your time and lets see if the tendency continues and seeks Oasis out.

And to Androk... what are you thinking? Why would it not be important to make sure the OW is what you'd like it to be? There has been different levels admins and Managers of this server, maybe they scrapped one of them when a new manager showed up because they didn't like it? I don't understand why that would be silly?

[konidias]

Originally posted by Eric_1337


"No single server should have that much time to get through a server."
"It has been a tendency that a server thats been UC for that long has never followed through."
"It doesn't matter take your time and lets see if the tendency continues and seeks Oasis out."

Way to boost my confidence... Just because playerworlds have taken a long time and failed before, doesn't mean Oasis is dead in the water. I mean, you can't expect me to make huge leaps in progress each day, all by myself, with the time I work on Oasis.

[Eric_1337]

Originally posted by konidias


Way to boost my confidence... Just because playerworlds have taken a long time and failed before, doesn't mean Oasis is dead in the water. I mean, you can't expect me to make huge leaps in progress each day, all by myself, with the time I work on Oasis.

Lol, someone needs to lower your confidence, you're taking your time because everyone sucks up to you and complements on how good of a job you are doing and saying it's perfect and such.

And Also, maybe you should get a team together? I don't think a couple people would hurt to have on the team, I was to believe Falados was helping you and I heard spanky mention something about helping you, I maybe wrong.

Even though I dissagree with the extended time you have had on your project, you are doing a good job, much better then most.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by konidias


Way to boost my confidence... Just because playerworlds have taken a long time and failed before, doesn't mean Oasis is dead in the water. I mean, you can't expect me to make huge leaps in progress each day, all by myself, with the time I work on Oasis.

Hehe, I agree. I don't think its really all that fair to set up a time restriction as to when things need to be done. Each person has their own pace. Heck, the gaming industry has no set time either. They do give release dates or estimated dates and things do change. It requires a lot of patience which, apparently, most people don't seem to have

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Eric_1337


Lol, someone needs to lower your confidence, you're taking your time because everyone sucks up to you and complements on how good of a job you are doing and saying it's perfect and such.

And Also, maybe you should get a team together? I don't think a couple people would hurt to have on the team, I was to believe Falados was helping you and I heard spanky mention something about helping you, I maybe wrong.

Even though I dissagree with the extended time you have had on your project, you are doing a good job, much better then most.

You have such a rediculous level of expectations of others. Lets see you come up with a high-quality server in only 6 months, ok? Then we can talk :] Both of us have had help from others at some point, but people are very fickle here and don't usually stay for long unless there is something of value that they hold.

[Soul-Blade]

I find this rather amusing. It looks like they have been exploring Oasis and SA in their minds .

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
I find this rather amusing. It looks like they have been exploring Oasis and SA in their minds .

Haha, you said exploring...

[tlf288]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
I find this rather amusing. It looks like they have been exploring Oasis and SA in their minds .

Can you blame us? You guys feed us little by little until our mids just make up the whole world and we play in it again and again.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by tlf288


Can you blame us? You guys feed us little by little until our mids just make up the whole world and we play in it again and again.

Which is basically the point What good would it do if we showed everything at once? Its what any kind of commercial business does. It offers just a sampling of what it can do in order to obtain business.

[Thallen]

I'll have to say Shifting Ages. I have seen no screenshots or actual levels of Oasis, even though I am sure it's a great playerworld. Shifting Ages has a pretty nice new style for Graal.

[Mykel]

Oh my, this one is starting to get interesting.

[Eric_1337]

Originally posted by G_yoshi


You have such a rediculous level of expectations of others. Lets see you come up with a high-quality server in only 6 months, ok? Then we can talk :] Both of us have had help from others at some point, but people are very fickle here and don't usually stay for long unless there is something of value that they hold.

Well considering how a REAL game only takes a year or two to make and he used 2 years or less to make a server upon a game, I'd say I'm about right on track with what is taking too long.

I know he is alone, but then he should gather a team of trustworthy and skillful mates to aid him... I'm sure anyone would be glad to help the "oh so awesome Oasis".

As for SoulBlade, I have seen some from yours but obviously not enough, as for Oasis... I have seen and heard a lot of things coming from that server, I have heard things about whats going on and what koni is doing, off the forums.

As for yoshi again...
We aren't asking you to show us everything, I don't know where you got that idea from, we'd like to see something, I don't know how long it's been since I've seen anything from Oasis, and as for SA, the latest thing I saw was when I saw some screenshots on your server, which were basically the same ones off the forums.

I just hope that these great servers don't get over-hyped and then if they open it's nothing compared to what everyone thinks... I don't know how the people will react to that.

Expecially for Oasis... I truly hope it's as good as everyone says it is, or the people will react to that in a bad way.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Eric_1337


Well considering how a REAL game only takes a year or two to make and he used 2 years or less to make a server upon a game, I'd say I'm about right on track with what is taking too long.

I know he is alone, but then he should gather a team of trustworthy and skillful mates to aid him... I'm sure anyone would be glad to help the "oh so awesome Oasis".

As for SoulBlade, I have seen some from yours but obviously not enough, as for Oasis... I have seen and heard a lot of things coming from that server, I have heard things about whats going on and what koni is doing, off the forums.

As for yoshi again...
We aren't asking you to show us everything, I don't know where you got that idea from, we'd like to see something, I don't know how long it's been since I've seen anything from Oasis, and as for SA, the latest thing I saw was when I saw some screenshots on your server, which were basically the same ones off the forums.

I just hope that these great servers don't get over-hyped and then if they open it's nothing compared to what everyone thinks... I don't know how the people will react to that.

Expecially for Oasis... I truly hope it's as good as everyone says it is, or the people will react to that in a bad way.

I use to think you were intelligent, but by your latest post you have proven otherwise.

Most RPGs take from 2-3 years, with staff of hundreds. The staff in these are not your common-half decent staff. They are the best. They work with all their heart and all their might. We are working on a PW project alone. We are the only ones able to put all our might into it. From what I have seen, we are the only ones with the skills to do so. Know why I ask for ideas team and nothing else? I have seen no one on graal capable of doing what I need. This isn't about skill, oh no..it is about devotion. People can have all the skill in the world, but the only reason they want in is so they can see the world, have more power, but not to help make something great. They say "Look at these super-cool sprites I made, I can make them for you" then you let them in and ask for some work, and they stall, and stall, and stall, and never get anything done....yet ask for access to the world, more rights on RC. No...the common skilled Graal developer is not ready to work on new age projects, not even close. I know of only a handful I would want, and they have other things to worry about. Less then 5 people do I know, in fact.
People on graal are here to play a game, not make one. No one has what it takes to make a game on Graal, and out of known people I'd say Konidias is the only other person who has what it takes, and G-Yoshi as well. The unknown people only about to 2 or 3. How many worlds claim to be great? Over 60 by now. How many actually will be great? Probably about 3.

Probably 3 because they will take the time needed to make it, they will have the devotion, the skills, the intelligence, the vision. They will have what it takes to make something everyone will love.

This is how I feel, and the most honest I can be on these forums. I have shrouded it, but it is time it came out. I care not if you believe me or not, agree or not, the fact is in less then a year it will almost completely be proven true, as worlds are crushed by the might of superior worlds. The funny thing is those superior worlds will only be about 7% complete when they crush the others...and a few years later (likely 2 or 3) when they are 100%, they will be unrivaled by any but each other. 4 years of work is what will complete a game 100% alone, and beyond is what will bring the game to greater levels.

[Eric_1337]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade


I use to think you were intelligent, but by your latest post you have proven otherwise.

Most RPGs take from 2-3 years, with staff of hundreds. The staff in these are not your common-half decent staff. They are the best. They work with all their heart and all their might. We are working on a PW project alone. We are the only ones able to put all our might into it. From what I have seen, we are the only ones with the skills to do so. Know why I ask for ideas team and nothing else? I have seen no one on graal capable of doing what I need. This isn't about skill, oh no..it is about devotion. People can have all the skill in the world, but the only reason they want in is so they can see the world, have more power, but not to help make something great. They say "Look at these super-cool sprites I made, I can make them for you" then you let them in and ask for some work, and they stall, and stall, and stall, and never get anything done....yet ask for access to the world, more rights on RC. No...the common skilled Graal developer is not ready to work on new age projects, not even close. I know of only a handful I would want, and they have other things to worry about. Less then 5 people do I know, in fact.
People on graal are here to play a game, not make one. No one has what it takes to make a game on Graal, and out of known people I'd say Konidias is the only other person who has what it takes, and G-Yoshi as well. The unknown people only about to 2 or 3. How many worlds claim to be great? Over 60 by now. How many actually will be great? Probably about 3.

Probably 3 because they will take the time needed to make it, they will have the devotion, the skills, the intelligence, the vision. They will have what it takes to make something everyone will love.

This is how I feel, and the most honest I can be on these forums. I have shrouded it, but it is time it came out. I care not if you believe me or not, agree or not, the fact is in less then a year it will almost completely be proven true, as worlds are crushed by the might of superior worlds. The funny thing is those superior worlds will only be about 7% complete when they crush the others...and a few years later (likely 2 or 3) when they are 100%, they will be unrivaled by any but each other. 4 years of work is what will complete a game 100% alone, and beyond is what will bring the game to greater levels.

I have no clue why you just said "hundreds", I am talking about how many it take to "PROGRAM" an RPG now adays.

There is a max is usually 20 programmers for one RPG 3d now adays project, which will take a max of 3 years and that is pushing it to the maximum.

And also, They are not THE BEST, they are good.. but you can't get the best of the best everytime.

You are too ignorant to look for anyone because you want all the glory of making the best server for yourself. If your servers are soooooo great then there shouldn't be a problem finding some good help.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Eric_1337


I have no clue why you just said "hundreds", I am talking about how many it take to "PROGRAM" an RPG now adays.

There is a max is usually 20 programmers for one RPG 3d now adays project, which will take a max of 3 years and that is pushing it to the maximum.

And also, They are not THE BEST, they are good.. but you can't get the best of the best everytime.

You are too ignorant to look for anyone because you want all the glory of making the best server for yourself. If your servers are soooooo great then there shouldn't be a problem finding some good help.

HAHA...you actually think programmers is all that makes a game? Have you seen the graphics in those? The special effects? THE HELL THEY AREN'T THE BEST.

I am not in here for "the glory", I am here because I ENJOY working on it. I can't find anyone, because THERE ISN'T ANYONE. Don't think I haven't tried, because I have tried with all my might.

[Eric_1337]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade



HAHA...you actually think programmers is all that makes a game? Have you seen the graphics in those? The special effects? THE HELL THEY AREN'T THE BEST.

I am not in here for "the glory", I am here because I ENJOY working on it. I can't find anyone, because THERE ISN'T ANYONE. Don't think I haven't tried, because I have tried with all my might.

as in programmers i also meant the graphical people and such, you usually don't go over 20 members... sorry if you were confused when I stated "programmers".

I don't think you tried too hard, you can't honestly say you are the best at everything, even if someone did have something else to do... I'm sure they could have helped. You couldn't have tried too hard, no posts for tryouts or such, never hear anyone say that you asked them to join you, you didn't try.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Eric_1337


as in programmers i also meant the graphical people and such, you usually don't go over 20 members... sorry if you were confused when I stated "programmers".

I don't think you tried too hard, you can't honestly say you are the best at everything, even if someone did have something else to do... I'm sure they could have helped. You couldn't have tried too hard, no posts for tryouts or such, never hear anyone say that you asked them to join you, you didn't try.

I have my own forums. I have posted. Some threads received no replys so I deleted them. I currently posted about a sound artist.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Eric_1337


Well considering how a REAL game only takes a year or two to make and he used 2 years or less to make a server upon a game, I'd say I'm about right on track with what is taking too long.

I know he is alone, but then he should gather a team of trustworthy and skillful mates to aid him... I'm sure anyone would be glad to help the "oh so awesome Oasis".

As for SoulBlade, I have seen some from yours but obviously not enough, as for Oasis... I have seen and heard a lot of things coming from that server, I have heard things about whats going on and what koni is doing, off the forums.

As for yoshi again...
We aren't asking you to show us everything, I don't know where you got that idea from, we'd like to see something, I don't know how long it's been since I've seen anything from Oasis, and as for SA, the latest thing I saw was when I saw some screenshots on your server, which were basically the same ones off the forums.

I just hope that these great servers don't get over-hyped and then if they open it's nothing compared to what everyone thinks... I don't know how the people will react to that.

Expecially for Oasis... I truly hope it's as good as everyone says it is, or the people will react to that in a bad way.

Ye of narrow mind Although Soul-Blade has already mentioned that a typical development staff for one commercial title alone is huge the thing is, each person on that team is specialized in a certain area be it graphics, story, music, etc. They are able to make games faster these days because of technology advances which lets them get more done than they could've only a few years ago. Again, if you can make a high-quality server with practically everything done by hand (NPCs, Graphics, Levels, etc.) in 6 months or less, then we can talk. Otherwise, you know nothing

*edit*
Also, if it bothers you so much, why don't you actually do something about it rather than whine? All that does it irritate others and it makes it that much less likely you'll see anything from those you antagonize. We make these worlds because we want to change and move Graal forward. As far as I know the three of us have little interest in the power side of a playerworld other than the creation and sharing aspect. I know that I can look at most of the playerworlds and by the examples they've set I sure want to have something better than that and so that is what I'm doing.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Spark910


Aren't they both hyped up..?

Seems to me they are, either by the one making it or the ones that think they know something.

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
Niether release sufficient data to make an educated evaluation.

I agree with this, when it's up and running then you can make an accurate judgement on them. Right now there is no way you can make a fair evaluation of either.


To Soul:
I once called you friend, respected you and your opinions because they were thought out and sound.Yet from what I have seen you do on these Forums I am ashamed that I ever did. You have become prideful, spiteful and hateful to almost all on here. This gives me and I am sure others no desire to ever see Shifting Ages because no matter how good it is; because of your attitude which will rub off on your Staff it will not be worth the time or effort to play it.

[tlf288]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade


I have my own forums. I have posted. Some threads received no replys so I deleted them. I currently posted about a sound artist.

Why? You should keep them open for people glancing through the forum.

[Androk]

Just a little addition:

MMORPGS are never 100% complete. If they are... well then it is not a MMORPG.

I mean look at UO, or EQ or a number of others, they are constantly "evolving".

[Eric_1337]

Originally posted by G_yoshi


Ye of narrow mind Although Soul-Blade has already mentioned that a typical development staff for one commercial title alone is huge the thing is, each person on that team is specialized in a certain area be it graphics, story, music, etc. They are able to make games faster these days because of technology advances which lets them get more done than they could've only a few years ago. Again, if you can make a high-quality server with practically everything done by hand (NPCs, Graphics, Levels, etc.) in 6 months or less, then we can talk. Otherwise, you know nothing

*edit*
Also, if it bothers you so much, why don't you actually do something about it rather than whine? All that does it irritate others and it makes it that much less likely you'll see anything from those you antagonize. We make these worlds because we want to change and move Graal forward. As far as I know the three of us have little interest in the power side of a playerworld other than the creation and sharing aspect. I know that I can look at most of the playerworlds and by the examples they've set I sure want to have something better than that and so that is what I'm doing.

I never said anything about 6 months, but it should be 2 years... these managers aren't the only awesome people with special abilities, although some of them think so.

Also what am I suppose to do about it? It's not like they are going to hire anyone and I am not a leader... I make levels and post about my past experience and whatever knowledge i have.

[Androk]

Originally posted by Eric_1337


I never said anything about 6 months, but it should be 2 years... these managers aren't the only awesome people with special abilities, although some of them think so.

Also what am I suppose to do about it? It's not like they are going to hire anyone and I am not a leader... I make levels and post about my past experience and whatever knowledge i have.

There are very few people with all of development skills on Graal. And not all of them are good :P

[tlf288]

Originally posted by Eric_1337


I never said anything about 6 months, but it should be 2 years... these managers aren't the only awesome people with special abilities, although some of them think so.

Niether SA not Oasis have been in development for 2 years .

Also what am I suppose to do about it?

Giveing them confidence is always a good thing.

whatever knowledge i have.

Which seems to be little from your comments.

[Eric_1337]

Originally posted by tlf288


Niether SA not Oasis have been in development for 2 years .




Giveing them confidence is always a good thing.




Which seems to be little from your comments.

Oasis is coming dangerously close to it, over-confidense is what they currently have. My comments are against them and I get bashed for it.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Eric_1337


I never said anything about 6 months, but it should be 2 years... these managers aren't the only awesome people with special abilities, although some of them think so.

Also what am I suppose to do about it? It's not like they are going to hire anyone and I am not a leader... I make levels and post about my past experience and whatever knowledge i have.

Then if you can't do anything, please kindly shut up There should be no time period set, end of story. And I think you're being rude for trying to force such a thing. Its your opinion that it should take that long. Not every necessarily agrees.

You still cannot grasp the fact that practically anyone that the three of us have hired are not exactly dedicated staff. They are usually only interested in getting backdoor access just to brag about it. Heck, I could just walk up to someone and offer them a job on my playerworld and I garauntee they'd take it without a second thought. After that, it'd only be a few days before they go "missing" and just stop showing up let alone do nothing once hired or if they do its very sub-par.

*edit*
I said 6 months to be sarcastic since it seems to be such a crime to take so long to make a playerworld

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Eric_1337


Oasis is coming dangerously close to it, over-confidense is what they currently have. My comments are against them and I get bashed for it.

OMG! SOMEONE CALL THE PW TIME LIMIT POLICE

[Eric_1337]

Originally posted by G_yoshi


OMG! SOMEONE CALL THE PW TIME LIMIT POLICE

wow, you're real cool, bashing me because of my opinion? And also, I have a right to state my thoughts... and I also don't remember saying anything about your server, you just assume that yours is so great and then butt in about your server, I wouldn't wanna work for your server if my life depended on it.

Also, there are people who are dedicated, just because your friends aren't doesn't mean all of them are little ****s that just want access.

[MadWolf]

Originally posted by Eric_1337


wow, you're real cool, bashing me because of my opinion? And also, I have a right to state my thoughts... and I also don't remember saying anything about your server, you just assume that yours is so great and then butt in about your server, I wouldn't wanna work for your server if my life depended on it.

Also, there are people who are dedicated, just because your friends aren't doesn't mean all of them are little ****s that just want access.

We have a right to say our opinions? Wow, so that means I could make my opinion on every person here I hate, and post it! No, I would get banned or some ****.