Global Scripting Team...

[Nemesis]

First off...I can say I do not like this for the simple fact that playerworlds who have managers can hire their own help. Some servers have been in binds, but yet they managed to get help and such. Yet this team is somewhat "needed" as some say so thus this is just for playerworld managers.

1) You do not have to give them rights to your NPC server.

2) They should only be on your server when someone of admin powers is present to monitor them

3) They do not even have to be on your RC due to their "help" status. (Meaning they are only supposed to be on TO HELP, if they just do nothing then they should not be there)

4) If you require help, flag one down and allow them to help, if you can remove their rights at any time and you do not reasons or anything to do so. Because they are helping, so it is not really a job.

5) They have to LISTEN to you. You as a manger / admin are their bosses, they cannot go around doing things to your NPC server and stuff WITHOUT permission. IF this happens you notify me and I will take of the situation asap.

So if you have questions about it. Then good, but this is an overview of it.

If they give you some crap about HAVING to have it, they MUST ask, and if you say no, and they persist just disconnect them, it is not their job. It is their job to ask and if the answer is no, then it is no, simple as that. If it is yes, then they can do what YOU tell them to, not what they want to do. Ensure you know this so you are aware and no one pulls a fast one over you.

[MadWolf]

I agree, if you as a manager do not want their help they should leave. And if you do need help, they should be there instead of just wearing the title. Hopefully, me and Trevor wont have to request help ;p

Nemesis, will the Global Scripting team be allowed to visit servers that are private without permission? Because, I mean like Shifting Ages and Oasis I'm sure they dont want people looking at what they worked on, nor would I.

[Spark910]

1.) True. Although a few have said if we dont, they will get Stefan to come on and make you give us them !

2.) Best idea would be to remove the rights when they have finished, so they cant cause damage or do things without you knowing so.

3.) Yup.

4.) They have helped on Rudora where I work, they help alot, even if you have no problems, its worth letting them take a look to see what can be edited tostop lag or bugs. But if you dont, then you don't have to. Zas the Rudora Manager was pleased they solved a few things.

5.) Yup. Although I don't like how they can sometimes say things such as:

''Who ever scripted this needs to be slapped''

etc, as someone did take time scripting it, even if its not as good as they like. Afterall they are the ones who don't want to work for PWs, and now that they are on some of them, they cant expect scripting 100% great.

And yes, im glad we have say still, and they dont over-rule us.


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Madwolf (), yes they can get on private servers. BUT as Nem said, you have to give them the rights.

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Finally: If the scripting team read this, can they give IP ranges? I know that you probably have a global IP range, but if not, adding on to every PW would be good, and an extra security measure.

[MadWolf]

Originally posted by Spark910
BLAH

*MadWolf

Alright... just making sure

[Python523]

Global Scripters have global IP ranges, when they log onto a server's rc it doesn't even check for the local IP range.

1.) If the managers refuse to give me rights I will still try to help out. I can also check if NPCs are taking too much resources by checking the /stats data

2.) When I log onto a server I ask if there is a manager or someone with authority on at the time. If there isn't I usually leave or I ask the other staff if they need any help like small npcs, etc etc

3.) I don't really plan on logging onto any RCs unless I'm working on something.

4.) I'll gladly help anyone.
Email: [email protected]
AIM: immnothere
ICQ: 126472644

5.) I do consider myself just a helper for the managers/admins. If they don't wish me to be on the server then I wont go on. I just hope I don't get any cold welcomes...I really am just trying to help out and it would seem kind of unfair to me if I log onto a server and then someone tells me to get off x.x but I'll gladly follow those rules.

[Spark910]

Didn't know you were on the team!

[adam]

Sounds fun, Maybe I should do freelance work too.

[ETD]

Originally posted by adam
Sounds fun, Maybe I should do freelance work too.

I think you're too lazy for that

anyways, i think this is a good idea... bit instead of having the good scripters go from server-to-server helping, why don't you have like a 'school' or some kind of training, so if someone has the will to becomes a scripter, you could teach them...

then there would be more scripters around....

[Spark910]

Originally posted by ETD

I think you're too lazy for that

Well I'd consider one of the people on the team lazy. So obviously, its not a problem.

[zell12]

All I know that is on the team is ProjectShifter, Jagen, and I think Kaimestu, I don't know for sure.

[Angel]

Originally posted by Nemesis
First off...I can say I do not like this
Cause you dont have control over it.

for the simple fact that playerworlds who have managers can hire their own help. Some servers have been in binds, but yet they managed to get help and such. Yet this team is somewhat "needed" as some say so thus this is just for playerworld managers.

1) You do not have to give them rights to your NPC server.

No one said they had to. Its optional help thats being welcomed. And they/we are sercueing and helping stop hacking.


2) They should only be on your server when someone of admin powers is present to monitor them

We dont need monitoring first off. And yes that is true we cant make changes without concent of a manager or admin


3) They do not even have to be on your RC due to their "help" status. (Meaning they are only supposed to be on TO HELP, if they just do nothing then they should not be there)

Wow, Thank You Captain Obvious!


4) If you require help, flag one down and allow them to help, if you can remove their rights at any time and you do not reasons or anything to do so. Because they are helping, so it is not really a job.

It is a job. We are fixing and sercueing servers.


5) They have to LISTEN to you. You as a manger / admin are their bosses, they cannot go around doing things to your NPC server and stuff WITHOUT permission. IF this happens you notify me and I will take of the situation asap.

We cant change anything without premission already said that.


So if you have questions about it. Then good, but this is an overview of it.

If they give you some crap about HAVING to have it, they MUST ask, and if you say no, and they persist just disconnect them, it is not their job. It is their job to ask and if the answer is no, then it is no, simple as that. If it is yes, then they can do what YOU tell them to, not what they want to do. Ensure you know this so you are aware and no one pulls a fast one over you.

Yep we sure do have to ask...


Additonaly Note:

Every server we have been on. They *HAVE* been more than willing to give us the local nc right to help. Not one person has refused or have problems...


Nem. Get over it. This team has helped alot in the one day it has been around. Stop being so negative.

And yes we are just helpers. Dont want the help? Fine we wont. But for the people out there (Most it seems) Then its good its around for someone to ask advice and how to fix things.

When we login we explain why we are there. All the Rules we must follow. And ask if they want our help and they can refuse it.

[ETD]

I think this team might be over-used by some servers who can't hire good enough staff...

if a server isn't good enough to get good staff, why keep it alive?

is there any check, to make sure some servers don't become dependent on this 'help'?

[Angel]

We wont spend a mass amount of time on any one server. We have alot of servers to spread around a small team. We will keep it small but so far it seems we'ved helped alot!

[zell12]

Basically all they do is make sure the control npc and other dbnpcs that are doing the major functions on the server are not filled with 10 lines of un needed code that can be replaced by one line of more efficent coding. They are just making sure the npcs are efficent and fast as possable, and also there to help and give advice I guess. I think it should be mandatory for them to have 'rw' to the controlnpc.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by zell12
All I know that is on the team is ProjectShifter, Jagen, and I think Kaimestu, I don't know for sure.

Theres also: Angel and Loriel, I think thats all of them!

them to have 'rw' to the controlnpc.

The idea is to help, as Stefan has said. If they want help they will give rights. By having the rights all the time, they are less of helpers more bosses, as they would have acess all the time. But by having to give it them, it shows, you give them permission to do so.

[PrinceDark]

That's a fairly respectable NPC team, all except one individual that has a past history for dissapearing for months and saying rude comments like the example Spark gave in his post above.

[Milkdude99]

As I posted before , all the Team are welcome to come aid Npulse BUT leave ProjectShifter off the Team when you come to Npulse He will not be allowed on Npulse's NPC Server FOR ANY REASON PERIOD. He has already proven on Npulse that he cannot be trusted and this opinion on him will not change at any time now or in the future.

[Projectshifter]

Nemesis, I don't see why you hate this team so much
(1) It's been my dream to be able to help out like I have the chance now, since I was a ****... like when I started scripting like 2+ years ago.
(2) We've done a good amount of work today and collected data. I'm working on a system for us to store data for NPC in/out so we can plot and figure out what is going on over time. So we're working at least and helping out.
(3) Why not give it a chance, ever hear of "Don't know it till you've tried it?"
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MoonGod, ouch man, that hurts... I mean, the last time I was on, I don't know how I upset you so much. I'm a different person, this was like 4 months or more ago... I was going through a VERY difficult time with my dad leaving to go overseas and all. I got on NPulse anyway and talked to your wife. I'm sorry for whatever I've done to upset you man... but you have to understand that my dad was a huge deal in my life, and he's been gone for 4 months now and will be gone for another 8 months. Things were stressful at the time, and now they've calmed down. Can we put the past behind us?
---Shifter

[Falados]

Heh, Maybe now servers wont be so ill-programed.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
Nemesis, I don't see why you hate this team so much
(1) It's been my dream to be able to help out like I have the chance now, since I was a ****... like when I started scripting like 2+ years ago.
(2) We've done a good amount of work today and collected data. I'm working on a system for us to store data for NPC in/out so we can plot and figure out what is going on over time. So we're working at least and helping out.
(3) Why not give it a chance, ever hear of "Don't know it till you've tried it?"
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MoonGod, ouch man, that hurts... I mean, the last time I was on, I don't know how I upset you so much. I'm a different person, this was like 4 months or more ago... I was going through a VERY difficult time with my dad leaving to go overseas and all. I got on NPulse anyway and talked to your wife. I'm sorry for whatever I've done to upset you man... but you have to understand that my dad was a huge deal in my life, and he's been gone for 4 months now and will be gone for another 8 months. Things were stressful at the time, and now they've calmed down. Can we put the past behind us?
---Shifter

ProjectShifter at one time I gave you a lot of untried trust (meaning I hadn't really known you but I entrusted you with a great deal of rights on Npulse) you betrayed that trust, when we needed your help you let all Npulse down, not just Moonie or I but all the faithful players of Npulse that look to us to see that things get done. It is not just the lack of you not doing anything those months but the "abusive playing on the NPC server" that really hurt. I won't go into detail on these things with the logs and all because this is not the place for this kind of thing. Let it not be said that I won't give someone a second chance or won't forgive someone who is truly sorry for their past actions, because I do and will. I will be happy to discuss this with you tomorrow night, you have made the right choice by going to Npulse to see us to try to solve the issue, it can be solved and since you have made the first step in that direction, I will meet you halfway and hear you out on what you have to say. I'm glad to know your Father is safe and sound and back with you if my info is correct. We cannot change the past but can profit by our mistakes, we all make them even I do and I am far from perfect. And since I am not perfect who am I to cast stones at you if you are really sorry? I look forward to our talk tomorrow.

[Projectshifter]

Falados, that is the intention. Not that the servers are all ill-programmed, but some need a little "help" along the way.
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MG, thanks a lot. I can't wait. No, my father is still overseas, as he will be till next December. But I worked hard to get where I'm at, 2+ years of trying and scripting... maybe not all of it the best, but I will do whatever it takes to take the responsibility of this job seriously. Although some people say it's a "small rc" who cares? I get to help when it's needed, I'm happy. There is a quote I once heard "There are no small parts, just small people". It means that it doesn't matter your role, it matters what you contribute into it
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Now for what I have to say in general
I am really upset about everyone telling me "I heard you were going around demanding NCs". That just is not even cool =/ I didn't demand any NC's. Jagen and I went around last night to say hello and check in, and if any managers were on to see if we could get NC rights so that we could come on and help out (This was before Nem posted his little 'rules' =/). We got on Doomsday and Tifa was not very pleased and summoned Nemesis. Then we got yelled at... then when we were going around looking at the NPC Server in's and out's to see what servers were eating up bandwidth and stuff, here's what I found as the was this:
Doomsday:
NPCServer-in (byte/l.m.): 5273
NPCServer-out (byte/l.m.): 169266
Usually the out is slightly higher than the in, but still... That's a bit ridiculous
---Shifter

[Darlene159]

I, for one, am glad to have a team of scripters that can check the npc servers for potential problems, and to help with other things if they can.
At the moment, I have no scripters, and if there was a problem on the npc server, I might not have a clue what is causing it, I am no scripting wiz....Anyway, I think its a good idea as long as they dont get demanding, and trash people

[cynicalfree1]

Can anyone post a complete list of the "Global Scripters Team". And is there a way to try out? Or do you just need past experience?If this was already posted then just delete my post.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
Falados, that is the intention. Not that the servers are all ill-programmed, but some need a little "help" along the way.
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MG, thanks a lot. I can't wait. No, my father is still overseas, as he will be till next December. But I worked hard to get where I'm at, 2+ years of trying and scripting... maybe not all of it the best, but I will do whatever it takes to take the responsibility of this job seriously. Although some people say it's a "small rc" who cares? I get to help when it's needed, I'm happy. There is a quote I once heard "There are no small parts, just small people". It means that it doesn't matter your role, it matters what you contribute into it
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Now for what I have to say in general
I am really upset about everyone telling me "I heard you were going around demanding NCs". That just is not even cool =/ I didn't demand any NC's. Jagen and I went around last night to say hello and check in, and if any managers were on to see if we could get NC rights so that we could come on and help out (This was before Nem posted his little 'rules' =/). We got on Doomsday and Tifa was not very pleased and summoned Nemesis. Then we got yelled at... then when we were going around looking at the NPC Server in's and out's to see what servers were eating up bandwidth and stuff, here's what I found as the was this:
Doomsday:
NPCServer-in (byte/l.m.): 5273
NPCServer-out (byte/l.m.): 169266
Usually the out is slightly higher than the in, but still... That's a bit ridiculous
---Shifter

Jagen already has access to my NPC Server. I trust him. I probably can trust you too, although there isn't much doing for the time being

[MadWolf]

Originally posted by G_yoshi


Jagen already has access to my NPC Server. I trust him. I probably can trust you too, although there isn't much doing for the time being

Sane here, Jagen is a good friend, and trustworthy to all. :]

[Jeff]

Originally posted by Spark910

5.) Yup. Although I don't like how they can sometimes say things such as:

''Who ever scripted this needs to be slapped''

etc, as someone did take time scripting it, even if its not as good as they like. Afterall they are the ones who don't want to work for PWs, and now that they are on some of them, they cant expect scripting 100% great.

Simply putting time into a script does not make it good. You could spend a decade on a piece of pure ordure, and good scripting can very much be expected.

[PrinceDark]

Doomsday:
NPCServer-in (byte/l.m.): 5273
NPCServer-out (byte/l.m.): 169266
Usually the out is slightly higher than the in, but still... That's a bit ridiculous
---Shifter

Does that mean too much data is being sent out to the players?
Can someone explain that NPCServer in/out thing?

[Kaimetsu]

Almost all of the people who dislike the GST can be classified into three groups:

1) Non-scripters who don't understand efficiency or security issues.
2) Server managers who are overprotective of their creation (hey, if you love it so much then let us improve it).
3) Those who're jealous of the meagre amounts of power we recieve, or realise that our existence highlights their inability to script.

Most are a mixture of a couple of those. I think I have a good idea of where Nemesis fits in, but that's unimportant. Fact: We are here to improve Graal. Fact: Our mission is not to aggravate or offend anybody. If we cross any lines then please tell us and hopefully (alas, I can only talk for myself) we will adjust our behaviours.

On the other hand, we are not merely here to lend a helping hand to those who need it. Graal needs to be rid of its security holes and efficiency problems, and petulant managers should not be an obstacle to that.

[TifaKhan]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
We got on Doomsday and Tifa was not very pleased and summoned Nemesis. Then we got yelled at... then when we were going around looking at the NPC Server in's and out's to see what servers were eating up bandwidth and stuff, here's what I found as the was this:
Doomsday:
NPCServer-in (byte/l.m.): 5273
NPCServer-out (byte/l.m.): 169266
Usually the out is slightly higher than the in, but still... That's a bit ridiculous
---Shifter

I thought we had come to an agreement over this PS but you give me no choice but to defend myself.
I had no problems with Jagen but you came on demanding that i give you full NC rights and i refused because i knew for a fact that i didnt have to, then you said all playerworlds HAVE to give you full rights so i called Nemesis in.
Now you come on here and try to make me look bad.
Thank you.

And Kai, i am not a petulant Manager thank you, i just dont like people gate crashing my rc and demanding rights.

note: I gave Loriel full NC rights as he was kind enough to ASK me first and i was happy to let him see if i had any security risks.
And i also gave Jagen and Tseng rights.
And i thank them for the advice they have all given me.

[Alexander]

Who exactly is on the Global Scripting Team?

[Soul-Blade]

Jagen, Angel, Kaimetsu, Loriel, and Project Shifter (thought he shouldn't be) are all on the team.

Personally, I had a big problem with them at first. Mainly with Project Shifter, alot with loriel. I gave them no access to anything, whenever Loriel logged on I said to go away. I ended up letting Angel inspect my Control NPC and it passed, like I knew it would, so I gave the whole team except Loriel and Project Shifter simply READ access to the control NPC.

Nemesis, don't be such a damn fool. You are making yourself look so bad...it is like anything you don't control is not right. Do you not understand Stefan has seen many insecurities and ineffecientcies lagging graal, cost them more money? The point of the team is to help, yes, but worlds with major problems will no doubt be forced to allow them to help, to make them a little more insecure and such. I was opposed to this idea at first because certain people on the team...now I think it is a great idea.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by TifaKhan
And Kai, i am not a petulant Manager thank you, i just dont like people gate crashing my rc and demanding rights.

Please don't misinterpret - my comment was not aimed at you in any way. You're allowing certain members of the team to help you, so I have nothing to complain about. I fully respect your decision to limit the people to whom you give access and, from what I've heard about the incident, I probably would've reacted in a similar way to you.

[cynicalfree1]

Originally posted by Alexander
Who exactly is on the Global Scripting Team?

Have you read any of the 30+ posts that came up before yours?

[TifaKhan]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Please don't misinterpret - my comment was not aimed at you in any way. You're allowing certain members of the team to help you, so I have nothing to complain about. I fully respect your decision to limit the people to whom you give access and, from what I've heard about the incident, I probably would've reacted in a similar way to you.

Thank you,i apologize for thinking it was aimed at me.

[adam]

Originally posted by PrinceDark


Does that mean too much data is being sent out to the players?
Can someone explain that NPCServer in/out thing?

I really don't understand how that stuff works. I wouldn't mind an explanation though.

[Spark910]

Overall the scripting team is a fairly good addition. I'm sure over time the team will be shortened as they have fixed everything, and only need to monitor new PWs or new additions to current PWs, and so, less are needed. And probably the best of the GST will be kept on board. And so people will have less of a problem with it.

[MadWolf]

I am more then willing to give NC rights to anyone who asks first. Projectshifter came on last night asking;
"You have any levels on the overworld? Hmm, give me NC rights, I need to test something"

I just signed off RC. I find it funny how he comes on to 2k1 (not BM) and says out of the blue "I need to test something." I mean, c'mon buddy no you dont. Kinda pissed me off. :[

[Spark910]

Originally posted by MadWolf
I am more then willing to give NC rights to anyone who asks first. Projectshifter came on last night asking;
"You have any levels on the overworld? Hmm, give me NC rights, I need to test something"

I just signed off RC. I find it funny how he comes on to 2k1 (not BM) and says out of the blue "I need to test something." I mean, c'mon buddy no you dont. Kinda pissed me off. :[

Well I dont know if he should even be on there. 2k1 isn't open, and so, and hacks would be pointless. And Im not sure, but isn't GST PWs Only? or atleast concentrated on PWs.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

A lot of you are misunderstanding Nemesis' comments, I think. He posts restrictions on what you can and cannot do, and you guys start yelling that he's being a fool and he's hating the global scripting team. He doesn't like the idea, that's his opinion, that doesn't mean he;'ll try to bring it down with all his might and give you guys a hard time. The reason he posted these guidelines is just so the manager of a PW or admin would not get confused as to what their primary objectives are, and by chance, hoping they don't get misinterpreted as someone who must have rights to all your servers or else.

Keep i mind that Nemesis is the GM. Game Master. I'd imagine he is somewhat liable for the actions of the global scripting team, as they are staff.

[ETD]

The only thing i have against the team, is i think it might be abused by some servers who aren't good enough to get their own scripting team...

I mean, if a server is good, and has a good owner, then they should be able to get good staff, such as scripters... if a server is bad, then they won't (obviously)

anyways, i have a felling some servers will become dependent on this 'help' and use it to kinda stay alive... have them make NPC's, and fix quests, and stuff, because they can't hire their own scripters...

but as long as it isn't used like this, i have no problem...