Wow, leet, im banned temp on Graal2002...

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by zell12
Like what? I was treated unfairly and I have the right to express my feelings and thoughts. You wanted to argue.

Yep, you just don't get it. Fine, I won't bother explaining again.

[zell12]

all you do is argue anyway, so don't bother. Your decision is not a good one if you base it on the way you think I act. Base it on the truth, and thats something you cannot do since you were not there.

[Locke_boy]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Yep, you just don't get it. Fine, I won't bother explaining again.

Must you always portray yourself as one so high above others in every way?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Locke_boy


Must you always portray yourself as one so high above others in every way?

Not all others. Just people like Excalibur.

[Locke_boy]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Not all others. Just people like Excalibur.

Your utter arrogance disturbs me.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Locke_boy


Your utter arrogance disturbs me.

Indeed? Perhaps you don't know what arrogance is. Nevertheless, a person doesn't need to be arrogant to put himself above people like Excalibur.

[Locke_boy]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Indeed? Perhaps you don't know what arrogance is. Nevertheless, a person doesn't need to be arrogant to put himself above people like Excalibur.

I know quite well what arrogance is.

All you need do is look at what you're saying from a non-biased, logical point .. and I think you may realize you are inferring that you are better than Excalibur, and that it doesn't take much for anyone else to be better than he. I see this as a form of arrogance .. and if not that, completely illogical and plainly unfair views on another person.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Locke_boy

All you need do is look at what you're saying from a non-biased, logical point .. and I think you may realize you are inferring that you are better than Excalibur, and that it doesn't take much for anyone else to be better than he.

Exactly.

I see this as a form of arrogance

Really? Dictionary.com doesn't. See:

making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree

As you can see, it's not arrogance if you can back it up.

and if not that, completely illogical and plainly unfair views on another person.

Illogical? I judge people on various factors, including intelligence, wisdom, self-control, wit. By those standards I am, as far as I have seen, superior to Excalibur. Perhaps he has hidden talents but the thing about that is that they're hidden, y'see? I can't really include those in my judgements until they stop being hidden.

As for unfair, well, the definition of fairness varies wildly from person to person. I'd consider objective and realistic appraisals like mine to be quite fair, personally.

[Locke_boy]

Right.

Sir, you try too hard to prove your nonexistant superiority.

Maybe I shouldn't have even addressed you as "Sir", but I try to be polite.

I'm no longer disturbed by you, I'm just disgusted. Well, everyone can have their opinions, yes? My opinion of you is no longer very .. wonderful.

I don't like people who think so highly of themselves. I don't like those who think that they are better than other people .. that they have the right to judge others.

"Let he without sin cast the first stone."

Christian or not, you can't deny the validity of that.

When you're perfect, you can go and judge everyone else all you like. Until then, I'd recommend keeping your negative thoughts to yourself. Ignore my thoughts on this if you'd like, but .. it's how I see it.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Locke_boy
Sir, you try too hard to prove your nonexistant superiority.

And you don't understand the nature of superiority. Any judgement of a person (or, indeed, anything at all) is based on personal values and weightings. Each judgement is completely subjective, because there are no universal rules for determining objective superiority. That said, I'm well within my rights to consider myself superior to another person, if my value system supports that belief. In this case (where value is attributed with regard to intelligence etc) it's pretty clear that I am indeed superior to Excalibur. He might be better at Baseball than me, I don't know, but that's not a part of the criteria so we don't even bother considering it.

I don't like people who think so highly of themselves. I don't like those who think that they are better than other people .. that they have the right to judge others.

Haha. Check it out, I'm laughing at your deluded philosophies. These "rights" of which you speak do not exist. They're a human invention. None of us have any rights other than to do whatever we want to do. There is no magical force telling us how to act (there're a few books, but hey, pen + paper = whatever you want to write) so there are no intrinsic restrictions on what we are 'allowed' to do. I can judge him, because I have a brain capable of completing this task. You might not find it socially agreeable, but that's okay. I'm used to it.

"Let he without sin cast the first stone."

Christian or not, you can't deny the validity of that.

Validity? It's just words, a guide to social protocols. Personally I find them foolish; sin is a ridiculous concept birthed from primitive views of the world. A more realistic and logical version would be: "Let he who has a stone decide whether or not he wants to throw it."

When you're perfect, you can go and judge everyone else all you like.

See, that's the thing. I'm not perfect, and yet I'm doing it anyway. Clearly there is a fault in your reasoning if this is possible. And hey, are you saying you never judge people? You seem to be judging me right now. Nobody can go through life without making assessments of those around him.

Until then, I'd recommend keeping your negative thoughts to yourself.

If you ask me a question to which the answer is negative, then I will unashamedly give a negative answer. It's called honesty, yo.

[Locke_boy]

What shall I say?

"You win"?

Yes, you'd love that, it would further boost your ego.

Have you ever heard of something called morals? Maybe there is no magical force governing right and wrong, but there is that force within ourselves which tells us what is just and not, and it seems yours does not function properly.

Judgement or not, forgive me if I am judging you, but I must have this said. To me, you are nothing more than an articulate form of Pith. 'Nuff said.

[Locke_boy]

Originally posted by zell12
all you do is argue anyway, so don't bother.

You're all too right on this one ...

[zell12]

Kao, shut up please, if you don't want to stop arguing, just shut up. I'm tired of you and your perfectness. You are not better then anyone else. My god.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Locke_boy
What shall I say?

"You win"?

Yes, you'd love that, it would further boost your ego.

Not at all. I already know that I win, so I derive no particular pleasure from hearing you say it.

Have you ever heard of something called morals? Maybe there is no magical force governing right and wrong, but there is that force within ourselves which tells us what is just and not, and it seems yours does not function properly.

Hah, morals. Again I laugh. Morals are an arbitrary set of rules invented, again, by mere humans. They're not special, and they're not intrinsic to the race. It's true that they probably make for a better world, but that's not the issue here. Macrocosmically morals are a good thing. Microcosmically, on a per-person scale, they're an absolutely terrible idea. Putting restrictions on yourself merely limits your flexibility. In short, a person without morals is capable of more than a person with them.

Judgement or not, forgive me if I am judging you, but I must have this said. To me, you are nothing more than an articulate form of Pith. 'Nuff said.

And you're just another rigid-thinking kid, too arrogant to consider that his belief system might be mistaken

Originally posted by zell12
Kao, shut up please, if you don't want to stop arguing, just shut up. I'm tired of you and your perfectness. You are not better then anyone else. My god.

Takes two to argue, home dawg. Don't place all the blame on me and please, don't start with the equality junk. I'm better than a great number of people, and also inferior to some. It's not fair and it's not nice but it is true. Wearing rose-tinted glasses doesn't change reality, y'know.

[zell12]

No, I don't know. You think your some kind of prodigy or something don't you? Well guess what? Your not. You might think you are and you might act like you are, but deep down, you know you are not. Anyway, you started arguing, so shut up.

[Locke_boy]

Originally posted by zell12
Anyway, you started arguing, so shut up.

Yes, do ..

.. it has become apparant to me that you will not sway your beliefs on this one, Kaimetsu .. you will continue to believe you're some god-like being who is above nearly all of the world's population in intellectuality .. so you can keep thinking that .. but maybe someday, something will show you how wrong you are. You're a cold, heartless person Kaimetsu...

Oh, and don't bother replying. I'm not going to bother reading it if you do, because I'm rather sick of hearing your twisted opinions.

Oh-kay, thank you, good-bye.

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by Locke_boy


Yes, do ..

.. it has become apparant to me that you will not sway your beliefs on this one, Kaimetsu .. you will continue to believe you're some god-like being who is above nearly all of the world's population in intellectuality .. so you can keep thinking that .. but maybe someday, something will show you how wrong you are. You're a cold, heartless person Kaimetsu...

Oh, and don't bother replying. I'm not going to bother reading it if you do, because I'm rather sick of hearing your twisted opinions.

Oh-kay, thank you, good-bye.

My friend... you have been burned by Locke_boy

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by zell12
No, I don't know. You think your some kind of prodigy or something don't you? Well guess what? Your not. You might think you are and you might act like you are, but deep down, you know you are not.

Hahaha! Great, thanks for your expert psychological analysis! Tell me, what do you consider a prodigy? Dictionary.com states it as:

A person with exceptional talents or powers

I have a big ol' genius-level IQ so that might count as an exceptional talent. I suppose it's up to personal opinion, but I think I'd be well within my rights to believe myself to be one

Anyway, you started arguing, so shut up.

I think you will find that the first post in the argument between Locke_boy and I was posted by him.

Originally posted by Locke_boy

.. it has become apparant to me that you will not sway your beliefs on this one, Kaimetsu .. you will continue to believe you're some god-like being who is above nearly all of the world's population in intellectuality

Not god-like (hey, I'm only human) but certainly above the majority of the world in an intellectual sense. Where's the opposing argument? I have a very high IQ and a talent for logical thought, so how could I not be high on the intelligence tree?

so you can keep thinking that .. but maybe someday, something will show you how wrong you are.

How could it? Maybe some huge population of superhuman geniuses could come out of their underground hiding place and push the average IQ up above mine, but I think that might be a little fanciful. In all forseeable circumstances I will retain my high branch on the tree.

You're a cold, heartless person Kaimetsu...

Not yet, but I'm getting there.

Oh, and don't bother replying. I'm not going to bother reading it if you do

Have you read any of my posts so far? You certainly don't seem to have attempted to address any of my points therein. Every time I fire off a string of logical arguments to deconstruct your points, you just kinda run and shout 'omg u sux'. It's not a particularly effective debating strategy :-/

I'm rather sick of hearing your twisted opinions.

Not twisted, just different. And, considering that your opinions were birthed by predominantly stupid people, I think it's good to be as different as I can be

Originally posted by Zurkiba

My friend... you have been burned by Locke_boy

Another cheerleader? It's a strange mentality that I've only seen on these forums. Are you trying to make this Locke_boy person like you? Is a king sucking up to a peasant?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Loriel
This turned into just another Kaimetsu-against-other-people thread

People just keep taking shots at me

[Loriel]

This turned into just another Kaimetsu-against-other-people thread

[zell12]

That is because you try to be perfect. I think you should but some humor in your life and stop being so serious.
Your also breaking the rules for talking off topic.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by zell12
That is because you try to be perfect. I think you should but some humor in your life and stop being so serious.

Ah, yet you do not know how I am in other areas of my life. When I am attacked I will respond in a serious manner, but that doesn't mean I never loosen up.

[zell12]

You never act humerous. You are a stuck up little prodigy.

[LOA--Paul]

Why is Kai's reply to Loriel above Loriel's post? *goes back to sleep*

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by zell12
You never act humerous.

What, you've been spying on me now? You've monitored my AIM conversations? You've seen how I act in other games? No? Then why the heck are you making yourself look stupid by saying this stuff?

You are a stuck up little prodigy.

Stuck up: I'm merely a realist.
Little: Given my age, I'm probably larger than you and most others here.
Prodigy: You consider that to be an insult...?

Originally posted by LOA--Paul
Why is Kai's reply to Loriel above Loriel's post? *goes back to sleep*

I am very good at predicting the future.

[anUk]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Hah, morals. Again I laugh. Morals are an arbitrary set of rules invented, again, by mere humans. They're not special, and they're not intrinsic to the race. It's true that they probably make for a better world, but that's not the issue here. Macrocosmically morals are a good thing. Microcosmically, on a per-person scale, they're an absolutely terrible idea. Putting restrictions on yourself merely limits your flexibility. In short, a person without morals is capable of more than a person with them.

Kaimetsu, this is making you look like a total *****. Unless you have not noticed Graal is a 'game'. To get yourself so worked up about a stupid game is totally obserd. Whether or not this is an 'intelligence' battle between you, I don't know. But is seems you are ignorant to the fact that there is a life outside of Graal. It is sickening to see people get so twisted out of shape over a game. Spending countless hours on graal and on the forums are insane. Sure, I know it is something you enjoy, but there are other things to do outside of graal.

Also Kaimetsu, I am amazed at your intelligence, but use it to do something in your life, not sit in front of a computer playing with gscript.

Sorry Kaim, this isn't to knock you or anyone else, but it seems people don't know when to draw the line of where to let a game come into their life. When 'Role-playing' becomes a part of your life when you are away from the computer, you know you have got a severe problem.

By far, the greatest quote I have seen in someone's profile is "Argueing on Graal is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded" I think this came from Kamuii but not sure.
Kind of mean, yet so true.

You get no where by argueing on Graal. Although often it seems I end up with sore fingers.

As for Excalibur, I am sorry to see you leave, good luck where ever you end up, hope life treats you good and so on. I would like to get your aim so we can talk. Forum pm me it or something.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by anUk

Kaimetsu, this is making you look like a total *****.

Only to the people who don't understand what I'm saying.

Unless you have not noticed Graal is a 'game'. To get yourself so worked up about a stupid game is totally obserd.

Since when was I 'worked up'? I'm perfectly calm, and even enjoying the argument. I'm not experiencing any negative emotions.

Whether or not this is an 'intelligence' battle between you, I don't know. But is seems you are ignorant to the fact that there is a life outside of Graal.

Most of this debate isn't even about Graal. We're talking about people etc rather than facets of the game.

It is sickening to see people get so twisted out of shape over a game. Spending countless hours on graal and on the forums are insane. Sure, I know it is something you enjoy, but there are other things to do outside of graal.

Yes indeed, and what if I prefer to do these things? Only an idiot would choose to do something he would not enjoy, when a more appealing opportunity is closer to hand.

Also Kaimetsu, I am amazed at your intelligence, but use it to do something in your life, not sit in front of a computer playing with gscript.

Again: Life is only wasted if it is used in an unenjoyable way. If I enjoy myself then I am not wasting my time. Going out to the idiotic social gatherings that most people seem to cherish would not make me happier.

Sorry Kaim, this isn't to knock you or anyone else, but it seems people don't know when to draw the line of where to let a game come into their life. When 'Role-playing' becomes a part of your life when you are away from the computer, you know you have got a severe problem.

Dude, what are you talking about here? I barely even ever play the game anymore, I just talk on the forums and do some scripting now and then.

By far, the greatest quote I have seen in someone's profile is "Argueing on Graal is like the special Olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded" I think this came from Kamuii but not sure.
Kind of mean, yet so true.

Good god, I wish people would start forming their own arguments instead of reciting these idiotic mantras. I argue on the internet and often win, yet I am not mentally or physically retarded. So much for your theory, huh? Debates are an excellent way to learn more about yourself and the world, and you shouldn't knock it just because you're useless at it.

You get no where by argueing on Graal.

Indeed? And where do you get by, say, going to a rock concert? By playing a sport? By 'hanging out' with friends? I'll tell you: You get to hearing disorders, physical injuries and a heckload of boredom. I don't agree with your choices of hobbies and you don't agree with mine, but neither is inherently better. Practice a little tolerance, yeah?

[zell12]

Kai, shut up will you? No one wants to stay here and argue with an adult and argue over the smallest of things.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by zell12
Kai, shut up will you? No one wants to stay here and argue with an adult and argue over the smallest of things.

And yet people keep on posting. Why don't you shut up?

[zell12]

Because you started it. You are acting childish. Your a supermod. Go do something besides argue.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by zell12
Because you started it.

Again you fail to read and understand simple words. I did not start the debate you are so fervently trying to silence.

[zell12]

I started the thread, and told the problem. Its your choice if you want to start arguing on the topic.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by zell12
I started the thread, and told the problem. Its your choice if you want to start arguing on the topic.

Once more you fail to understand. I am not the only person arguing, and I am not the one starting the arguments. Why target me just because I'm winning?

[zell12]

Because *looks around* seems to me like you are the dumb one. No one else is arguing, except you.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by zell12
Because *looks around* seems to me like you are the dumb one. No one else is arguing, except you.

Really? Nobody except for you, y'mean? I can understand that you would consider yourself a nobody, but technically you are posting on the thread. So were Locke and anUk, you'll notice. I only post in reply to somebody else. As I've probably said before, it takes two to argue.

[zell12]

Yet, your not stopping? Close this thread if you don't want to shush.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by zell12
Yet, your not stopping? Close this thread if you don't want to shush.

Jeez, what do I need to do to make you understand? Look:

Somebody makes a post addressing me -> I reply

Of all the posts in this thread, only one was not a response to a message directed at me. If people keep talking to me then I'll keep replying. If you want it to stop, all you need to do is make us all happy by going away.

[zell12]

My thread, you go away. Your supposed to be a supermod. Wow, some staff you are.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by zell12
My thread, you go away.

You don't own the thread, kid. Public message board.

Your supposed to be a supermod. Wow, some staff you are.

What's wrong with a supermod defending himself against idiots like you? My power is given to me so I can remove account sharers and spammers and the like, and I do that damned well, but I'm not supposed to be some kind of role model guy.

[zell12]

Oh, but you are. We act like you act. If your arguing and using swears. Then we will think its alright and do it.