Credit Card fraud...

[unixmad]

The credit card fraud that have been managed the 19 February 2002 is concerning about 20 credit cards. Each of this card have been used for upgrading 20 to 60 accounts, it mean that the fraud is concerning more than 600 upgraded accounts and that each card have been used for 500$ to 1500$ of account transactions.

It's sadly a very big percentage of the peoples that have upgraded there account from October to January.

Each banning is managed by hand, and we receive 3 papers from our bank to be sure there is no mistake. All this is verified by me personally 2 times !

It’s possible that some peoples have been abused by some others, but when you give your account/password to someone else, you take the risk that someone do credit card fraud to upgrade your account, then don’t complain about loosing your account, the only way to have your account back is to pay for it and don’t try to use some other fake credit card because I will verify all transactions by hand.

We are now using Paypal for payment processing, for peoples that want to try credit card fraud or ask for charge back after a while, they need to known that Paypal and us are now reporting all activity to the police and to the bank, it mean that if you do such things not only you will not be able to use paypal in the future but your bank will not give you another credit card.

I have only managed half of the credit card fraud, today there will be another big group of account that will be banned for credit card fraud.

Stefan and Me are really affected by this and the Linux cyberjoueurs company is facing to money problems because of all this, when you do credit card fraud not only the bank is taking the money from our account but we have to pay penality to the bank for what you are doing.

Then when you complain for loosing your account or time think about Linux cyberjoueurs peoples loosing there job because of you and think that we will probably have to change our way to manage Graal, 80% of peoples never pay to play Graal and 10% of others do credit card frauds, how do you want us to pay charges with that ?

[Birdbird_0]

Originally posted by unixmad
Then when you complain for loosing your account or time think about Linux cyberjoueurs peoples loosing there job because of you and think that we will probably have to change our way to manage Graal, 80% of peoples never pay to play Graal and 10% of others do credit card frauds, how do you want us to pay charges with that ?

I never thought the percentages of cc fraud was that high

[Slaktmaster]

Hmm, that is a lot more than I ever imagined. I hope your problems solve.

And I really hope I will be able to reupgrade in April

[funnylinkwantsbomys]

im glad im one of the 10 percent he doesnt need to complain about

[TrueHeaT]

That's horribly depressing, makes me want to upgrade another account just so you guys have money.. too bad I don't have money either

[konidias]

I paid my 30 dollars to Graal.. I agree that it's stupid to use stolen credit card numbers.

The clincher is that the people that get the card number upgrade a ton of accounts using it.. I mean if the people had a brain in their head they would know it's going to be kind of obvious on the credit statement..

I know ways to get thousands of dollars through a transaction scam over paypal, my friend has been doing it a while now, and tried to get me into doing it to, but I figured you're just going to get caught anyway.

[zell12]

They think they can get away with it, its not only hurting them selves, but All of us

[psihunter]

Blah those little bastards are the ones making the prices go up

[zell12]

lets get some nukers and kill them all!!!!!!! MWHAhahahahaha

[James]

I wouldn't mind donating some money to linux cyberjoueurs, but I heard something about unixmad doesn't take donations.

[cloudstrifevii]

Well the sad thing is this will probaly keep going on so there will be lots of accusing stuff. I'm just glad I have 200 something days on my account.

[freddyfox]

If I find a good job, I'll send some money your way, unix.

[G_yoshi]

*sigh* It is unfortunate that things like this are impossible to dodge...you just have to pick yourself up and keep going. Things should get better (hopefully)...as soon as some players get and are able to retain a brain for more than 5 seconds

[Zelgadis_Geywords]

Yep...People who accuse credit card fraud not only break the law, they also ruin things for the people who pay fairly, and willingly. It really sucks.

[Googi]

Just don't accept payments from non-verified PayPal accounts and all your problems are solved.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by Googi
Just don't accept payments from non-verified PayPal accounts and all your problems are solved.

That's what they are doing right now

[AlkarenHyralt]

And people wonder why advertising upgrading accounts, or upgrading account sin general for money or hats, is illegal.

[Valder]

That makes me sad. It's making it so people have to pay more and that's horrible. I hope all the people that did this credit card thing in the future get IP banned.

[edit]
And for all you people that claim unixmad to be a money hungry a-hole, you are wrong. He is trying to run a business and when people try and use fake credit cards he loses money and how would you feel if you lost money. He is a nice guy to talk to. [/edit]

[Faheria_LAT1]

mmmmkay: I would upgrade if I had a CC, I have the money, I just don't want to bother with paypal.

[PsychopathicRyda]

Originally posted by unixmad
The credit card fraud that have been managed the 19 February 2002 is concerning about 20 credit cards. Each of this card have been used for upgrading 20 to 60 accounts, it mean that the fraud is concerning more than 600 upgraded accounts and that each card have been used for 500$ to 1500$ of account transactions.

It's sadly a very big percentage of the peoples that have upgraded there account from October to January.

Each banning is managed by hand, and we receive 3 papers from our bank to be sure there is no mistake. All this is verified by me personally 2 times !

It’s possible that some peoples have been abused by some others, but when you give your account/password to someone else, you take the risk that someone do credit card fraud to upgrade your account, then don’t complain about loosing your account, the only way to have your account back is to pay for it and don’t try to use some other fake credit card because I will verify all transactions by hand.

We are now using Paypal for payment processing, for peoples that want to try credit card fraud or ask for charge back after a while, they need to known that Paypal and us are now reporting all activity to the police and to the bank, it mean that if you do such things not only you will not be able to use paypal in the future but your bank will not give you another credit card.

I have only managed half of the credit card fraud, today there will be another big group of account that will be banned for credit card fraud.

Stefan and Me are really affected by this and the Linux cyberjoueurs company is facing to money problems because of all this, when you do credit card fraud not only the bank is taking the money from our account but we have to pay penality to the bank for what you are doing.

Then when you complain for loosing your account or time think about Linux cyberjoueurs peoples loosing there job because of you and think that we will probably have to change our way to manage Graal, 80% of peoples never pay to play Graal and 10% of others do credit card frauds, how do you want us to pay charges with that ?

Twiztid: we dont need to hear your whole carear story biotch...subscription prices were only raised because you cant feed your kids you biotch

[nyghtGT]

Originally posted by unixmad

*stuff*

lol

[Domini]

Originally posted by PsychopathicRyda




Twiztid: we dont need to hear your whole carear story biotch...subscription prices were only raised because you cant feed your kids you biotch

No ****, he needs money to live.

[SkooL]

Originally posted by funnylinkwantsbomys
im glad im one of the 10 percent he doesnt need to complain about

Right. That's because the extra account you had had that I purchased from you 3-4 months ago that I gave to a friend was recently banned for credit card fraud, huh?

[Graal518]

Originally posted by Domini
No ****, he needs money to live.

Yep, he likes to eat, and pay the rent.

[nyghtGT]

Originally posted by SkooL
Right. That's because the extra account you had had that I purchased from you 3-4 months ago that I gave to a friend was recently banned for credit card fraud, huh?

same thing happened to me except it was a lot longer and
involved a keg of beer ...

[JubeiSaotomeX]

Originally posted by Domini
No ****, he needs money to live.

you act like he can only ever have this job and this job only, he could always do other stuff, like admin a network for a university or something like that

[Torankusu]

How do I get a paypal account?

I haven't bothered to go to paypal.com or something, but just tell me if that's where. Any age restrictions?

[Falcor]

Make graal totally p2p =\ These *****s earned it and ruined it for everyone.

[TrueHeaT]

Originally posted by Falcor
Make graal totally p2p =\ These *****s earned it and ruined it for everyone.

I totally agree.

[Krakken]

Originally posted by TrueHeaT


I totally agree.

Indeed!

[Echos]

I like how you think making all of Graal p2p is a solution to this. You obviously don't think of long term things. If this happens, outbreaks of 1.3 servers will unleash, thus the players won't pay, but move. This shift will cause most p2p people to play on them with their friends who don't have credit cards (that aren't adults), and thus even less money for Linux Cyberjoueurs (who I thought was only Stefan and Stephane). That 80% is not upgrading because of 3 big reasons.

1) Graal's average age is 14-16, you have to be an adult to have a credit card.
2) There is an alternative, free Graal, and there are a lot of free games out there
3) Quality and Service. The levels on Graal2001 or horrible, many tile errors, isn't it suppossed to be professional? As for service, that's even worse, Graal Online staff, generally (not all cases), is horrible, and the way things are managed, it makes absolutely no sense. The only part that Graal Online does different that is better is that the co owners (Stefan and Stephane) talk to you, unfortuneatly, most other staff insults you, and if you say anything negative, you are tarred and feathered.

[ZanderX]

Originally posted by Echos
I like how you think making all of Graal p2p is a solution to this. You obviously don't think of long term things. If this happens, outbreaks of 1.3 servers will unleash, thus the players won't pay, but move. This shift will cause most p2p people to play on them with their friends who don't have credit cards (that aren't adults), and thus even less money for Linux Cyberjoueurs (who I thought was only Stefan and Stephane). That 80% is not upgrading because of 3 big reasons.

1) Graal's average age is 14-16, you have to be an adult to have a credit card.
2) There is an alternative, free Graal, and there are a lot of free games out there
3) Quality and Service. The levels on Graal2001 or horrible, many tile errors, isn't it suppossed to be professional? As for service, that's even worse, Graal Online staff, generally (not all cases), is horrible, and the way things are managed, it makes absolutely no sense. The only part that Graal Online does different that is better is that the co owners (Stefan and Stephane) talk to you, unfortuneatly, most other staff insults you, and if you say anything negative, you are tarred and feathered.

1.3 servers means being sued when you're found out. Meaning, you're a dead duck by hosting one. Look at Mafukie.

p2p wasn't a solution to anything other than keeping Graal alive. It's a large business with a huge playerbase.

Yeah, so? If kids can't say "Hey mom, can I buy a year long account to a game for around the price of a game I can buy in the store that's not even online?", then that's their problem.

2. Yeah. Free Graal, which won't last because Graal needs MONEY to run now. You don't realize that. That's why p2p exists; to keep Graal in existence.

3. Uh?! The levels on Graal 2001 are AMAZING quality in most areas...Either you have the most sickeningly high and stupid standards or you don't have a good eye for levels, sorry man. :|

I'll agree about the staff bit though.

[Torankusu]

Management/staff it what makes me sick of this game.

[magicvader]

=/
my account stoped working today and i got mine upgraded like months ago

anyways its not worth paying the amount they want us to play this game it hardly worth it with the graphics and gameplay
one thing that would keep me would be my black shogun and my many friends ive made playing this game

[magicvader]

but one thing werid about graal my parents always blame graal for all the problems our computer has it got deleted once for acouple of months and then i redownloaded it since i got bored of my other games

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by magicvader
but one thing werid about graal my parents always blame graak for all the problems our computer has it got deleted once for acouple of months and then i redownloaded it since i got bored of my other games

Same here.

Graal does mess up my parents' computer.

[Graal518]

At Graal's CURRENT state, I hate to say that it's not worth re-upgrading anymore, even though the price is cheap, just what are we paying for? Graal2001 hasn't had an update in a very long time, the staff MOSTLY only make things for themselves. It used to be worth it because Stefan would make sometimes 2 updates per week, now it's lucky for an update ever ever ever. The slums just came out, but that's just providence levels and seemingly bird mafia related (which of course is another staff members guild). There is nothing to do in the slums anyway. New Hat's?? Don't make me laugh, that's not an update at all. That's just putting a bunch of gifs that a player made in a store for people. Hats are all over the place, hardly an update.

With that news thing outside of the admin house and 'all' that SK is working on seems to be the only things that may be released. He has a nice list there but we've yet to see any of it. Hopefully he'll get finished sometime soon and start making periodic updates.

Graal2002? Don't even talk about that until it's released.

So that brings me back to exactly why is Graal worth re-upgrading AT THIS POINT??

This is just my opinion.

[magicvader]

mostly webgifs take up the most room from graal ever graphic file is there and also the weblevels and ganis and bomys and heads and shields and sword and sooooo onnnn....

[Echos]

Originally posted by ZanderX


1.3 servers means being sued when you're found out. Meaning, you're a dead duck by hosting one. Look at Mafukie.

p2p wasn't a solution to anything other than keeping Graal alive. It's a large business with a huge playerbase.

Yeah, so? If kids can't say "Hey mom, can I buy a year long account to a game for around the price of a game I can buy in the store that's not even online?", then that's their problem.

2. Yeah. Free Graal, which won't last because Graal needs MONEY to run now. You don't realize that. That's why p2p exists; to keep Graal in existence.

3. Uh?! The levels on Graal 2001 are AMAZING quality in most areas...Either you have the most sickeningly high and stupid standards or you don't have a good eye for levels, sorry man. :|

I'll agree about the staff bit though.

1) If there is enough Gservers, they wouldn't be able to take them all down, by the time they take them all down, others would sprout up, and multiply. All that would do is create more attention, almost encouraging more of them. I'd like to see 10 different parents who give their credit card numbers out on the internet. Guess what, chances of it happening are not very good. So it's kids problem that a game is not in stores, and they are not old enough for a credit card?

2) Free Graal? Like I said, as long as there are alternatives, the players will go there, it's technically impossible for at least 75% of them to get p2p. As for keeping Graal alive, they should have it worth the money they want to charge for it. Graal will still be alive, there are old Gservers and programs, if cyberjoueurs shuts down, then those will sprout.

3) The levels on Graal 2001 are amazing? That is a joke, isn't it? Those level are quite horrid, and quite frankly, I am serious. Maybe it is you that doesn't have the good eye for levels, I have heard many others who say the levels could be improved, and that they can. There is a lot more room for creativity, originality, and there are many tile errors that could be fixed.

[ZanderX]

Originally posted by Graal518
At Graal's CURRENT state, I hate to say that it's not worth re-upgrading anymore, even though the price is cheap, just what are we paying for? Graal2001 hasn't had an update in a very long time, the staff MOSTLY only make things for themselves. It used to be worth it because Stefan would make sometimes 2 updates per week, now it's lucky for an update ever ever ever. The slums just came out, but that's just providence levels and seemingly bird mafia related (which of course is another staff members guild). There is nothing to do in the slums anyway. New Hat's?? Don't make me laugh, that's not an update at all. That's just putting a bunch of gifs that a player made in a store for people. Hats are all over the place, hardly an update.

With that news thing outside of the admin house and 'all' that SK is working on seems to be the only things that may be released. He has a nice list there but we've yet to see any of it. Hopefully he'll get finished sometime soon and start making periodic updates.

Graal2002? Don't even talk about that until it's released.

So that brings me back to exactly why is Graal worth re-upgrading AT THIS POINT??

This is just my opinion.

Hats are an update, sadly.

Anyways, Bird Mafia is not a staff members guild, I don't know what gave you that idea.

Here's something that would make ME want to reupgrade:

Oasis, Murasamune (once Soul Blade decides to get back to work on it), Graal 2230...upcoming servers...