Should P2P playerworld owners be.. paid?

[DeathChill]

Originally posted by TrueHeaT
no, absolutely not.

excellent

[sac]

Originally posted by NotoriousBLT

Turn it down my ass, I've heard of what you asked for. Global RC and all that. And I know enough about you to dish the dirt, you're 18 years year old with no job and obviously can't get a job so you're expecting to be paid from graal. Pretty pathetic, owning a PW would be really cool, because you get to be an admin and hire people and manage your own little world. Being paid is the most stupidest thing I've heard of in a long time, it would just be harder on the PW Inspectors as well because you'd have people sending in PWs left right and center.

odamn he's old not really and he lives with his mom

[NotoriousBLT]

Originally posted by sac
and he lives with his mom

haha that too

[DeathChill]

Btw Konidias why would an Account Manager make rules for PW's?The owner should decide those aslong as they're within a certain fairness...GM's decide that stuff though, not Account Managers.

[Griffyn]

greed

[LiquidIce00]

ROFLAMO
You should pay Stefan to run a server!
You think he gets rich from Graal ?

[LiquidIce00]

Originally posted by konidias
If roughly 1000 p2p accounts are created and are paid for a full year, thats 30000 a year all together.. not to mention the fact that the prices will soon be raised and more people join each year... Why are the prices being raised? For the CRAP playerworlds online, with the total of 2 whole people on them? There's like 7 playerworlds that have more players then 2k1 now.. tell me how the playerworlds aren't bringing in players.

Sure there is server cost, but seriously, 30000 a year covers payment on a house and a family of 2-3, and a car. Please explain to me how you can't afford to pay the playerworld owners that have GOOD pw's

I wish they would tell you how much servers cost ..

Stefan if you can tell how much you people spend on servers so these people shush it be good

[Ziro-]

Originally posted by konidias
(maybe require an age limit or something)

wtfs? age limit? does this mean the old server owners like moon god wouldn't get paid? i agree with your idea!

[Birdbird_0]

plan and simple, no, its not practical and it brings up 1000 more problems.

[Ziro-]

Originally posted by LiquidIce00



I wish they would tell you how much servers cost ..

Stefan if you can tell how much you people spend on servers so these people shush it be good

ehrm.....in response to the message liquid quoted.....

WTFS??! 30,000 a year? isn't that the only money stefan makes? Graal is his work, isn't it? 30,000....subtract all those costs like the servers,that's not good enough to live off of unless you want stefan living in a small one-room apartment! especially with the needd to support so many playerworlds, a lot of which are complete **** and should improve to show their appreciation, like LiquidIce! go! fix your problems, liquid! last time i remember about your server.....i paused on the side of a spar room ( in the area ment for sitting and watching spars), and then a GP comes in, with no GP tag, he updates the sparroom to have me unpaused, and he PK's me in the room and says it's not illegal cause he's off duty!! so is it legal for Police to go arond hacking when they're off duty?! is this what stefan is spending his money on?! damn....and these servers don't even have stories to them! personally,i think there should be 3 free servers at the most...free main and old N-Pulse w/o MoonGod and Goddess (lmgao)....and something worth playing......it's easy to hax0r on some of these free servers and do other things like cause people to no longer want to play Graal.....it's horrible, I tell ya, horrible! lots of servers get boring after trying the first time for different reasons....you either have no idea WTF you gotta do because the story is not made clear....the scripting of the levels causes you to get stuck, and other bugs..........kthxbye....i'd continue, but i forgot the point of what i was saying....

[konidias]

Originally posted by NotoriousBLT

Turn it down my ass, I've heard of what you asked for. Global RC and all that. And I know enough about you to dish the dirt, you're 18 years year old with no job and obviously can't get a job so you're expecting to be paid from graal. Pretty pathetic, owning a PW would be really cool, because you get to be an admin and hire people and manage your own little world. Being paid is the most stupidest thing I've heard of in a long time, it would just be harder on the PW Inspectors as well because you'd have people sending in PWs left right and center.

hahaha.. I NEVER EVER asked for global RC you dipshit

I turned 18 in september.. omg, when you turn 18 does that mean you have to go live in some scrungy apartment and work 9 to 5, and eat ramen noodles to survive? god get a brain please.. you didn't see bill gates working at mcdonalds. I'm starting college in the summer, and unlike you, I don't have to work 9 to 5, I DO get paid off the net.. I already make a large amount of money from my server admin job, I am a certified microsoft networker, I was earning college credit during high school, I was in advance classes since 4th grade.. You can "dish the dirt" right..

If I wanted to get some grunt job working 9 to 5 I could go out right now, get one, and say "I have a job I live on my own" big deal, I'm so tired of people telling me how to run my life, especially people that are older then me, with BAD JOBS, BARELY ABLE TO PAY BILLS, telling ME how to MAKE MONEY.

My sisters ex-boyfriend always used to bark at me about that crap when he was living with her.. then she kicked him out, now he is a 24 year old guy, living with his sister, fixing pipes, coming home looking like he got tied to a car and dragged down a muddy road for 20 miles, and then he tries to tell me how I should earn a living.

I have had plenty of real jobs, I could get a networking job right now, wiring entire school systems and office buildings, and probably earn more then you're entire family in a year, but I'm fine with the money I'm making now thanks.

[nyghtGT]

Originally posted by konidias

Don't you think all these lazy playerworld owners would put more effort into their servers if they were getting payed by average ammount of players? Most only have like 3 or 4 people on them now, because they have no motivation.. money would be very motivating I think.

Them being motivated to work should not be left up to them being payed by Graal Online ... And another thing, that would totally end most free server production ...

[ArchOwl]

Originally posted by sac

odamn he's old not really and he lives with his mom

SAC, ive known some people that lived with their mom at 21, its no big deal for him to live with his mom at 18

[konidias]

Originally posted by ArchOwl


SAC, ive known some people that lived with their mom at 21, its no big deal for him to live with his mom at 18

I just got old enough to buy cigarettes and I'm supposed to be living on my own? LOL.. that's how most people get stuck doing the same thing all their life.. I would like to plan my future, not run out and get some job that I'm going to hate.

Luckily my mom is nice enough to understand that I need time to decide where I want to go and what I want to do. It's not like "well you're 18, get out of my house and fend for yourself"

I just think some of you are being all "non-greedy" to make yourselves look good.. I don't know anyone that plays Graal that wouldn't mind making money doing stuff for Graal.

You have to understand that Stefan just basically copied Zelda 3 and made it online, then eventually him but mostly the players, transformed it into Graal and what you see today.. Then he decides to make things p2p.. do you not think he is making profit from it? I don't care how many expenses you have (and alkaren, you realized you stated the same expenses repeatedly):

Servers, Maintenance, Bandwidth, "the servers themselves", hosting, phone lines, cost of buying computers, cost of buying licenses

All of that is what you normally find in one package deal for dedicated server hosting, and that's what Graal has, because they do not have the server themselves, they have virtual servers, meaning they are located in different locations run by other companies.. I'm sure they pay one flat fee for the server costs (maintenance, service, bandwidth, servers) then they get their little office, and you don't buy computers every day for your office, they buy gameboy advances and sodas, they obviously have extra money. They probably just have a small office with a net connection and a few computers.

They would not be running Graal as p2p if they weren't profiting from it. I highly doubt they are running servers at the office, stefan said he had a DSL line, that isn't anything near enough to run Graal on.

Stefan doesn't want to talk about it because he knows that they profit and thinks that as long as no one mentions paying the people helping Graal, then they will get to keep all the profit they make, from a game they completely copied from zelda 3.

[freddyfox]

Originally posted by konidias

Stefan doesn't want to talk about it because he knows that they profit and thinks that as long as no one mentions paying the people helping Graal, then they will get to keep all the profit they make, from a game they completely copied from zelda 3.

Yes, they are making a profit. A profit that allows them to keep the office, keep the servers up, pay certain employees, buy food, a house, clothes, and the occasional things such as coke or game boy advances. Everyone splurges, but the point is, every little bit helps. Paying people who are running servers that just sap up bandwidth like mad and churn out few customers would be charity; not for Stefan.

Cyberjouer is not a multi-million dollar company. They actually have made enough money from a "Zelda 3" clone to support themselves and even buy an office building and a company. And I will say: That's pretty darn impressive for a guy who programmed a game from Delphi.