if you reset era....

[geneticfrog]

wouldn''t be so bad if you reset just guns and money let people keep everything else.

mostly after a "duping" indecent or something related to trading abuse?

even if you guys banned him, if you didn't track down every one of his trades then there is still a bunch of illegal money and or guns on the server.

if i was him ide even get friends to store money and or buying off a person items for super expensive to give them extra to store.

either by dropping, selling via mall, leaving items an a expired storage container and what ever way its possible to transfer items/money to possibly not get found.

[fowlplay4]

good thing they unbanned you huh

[Tim_Rocks]

The reason why that's not going to happen is because the goal of a reset is to put every player on equal footing. You'd instantly have an advantage over every other player.

[Crono]

Era has reset so many times and it has never fixed "the economy", so what's the point of doing it again? I know the resets are for more reasons (massive dupping, USDing staff GK style, etc) but people usually talk about equality as if it ever works.

[Crow]

Players are under the impression that everything will just fix itself if you pull the plug. You'll have to put some effort into everything, making it stable after you reset the players.

[Tim_Rocks]

Which is exactly why there won't be a reset.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Tim_Rocks

Which is exactly why there won't be a reset.

nice nice

[Kohola_KinG]

We NEED moderators right now!!

[geneticfrog]

Originally Posted by Tim_Rocks

The reason why that's not going to happen is because the goal of a reset is to put every player on equal footing. You'd instantly have an advantage over every other player.

I do not understand how making everyone equal as you just said gives me or others an advantage??? again i just said money and guns not HP or EC or instruments or hats or houses.

Might piss off a few uber regulars but at the same time you are making all the newbies happier (im always going to be supporting the newbies AKA future players) gotta love the fake petitions in town holding the signs AHAHAHA funny stuff.

I think everyone would get a gang gun first then work to make mone again at the businesses that have just been upgraded yesturday 2x more money.

anyway you just countered your own argument in the same sentence unless you are implying i have some kind of godly skill.

[ooger]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

anyway you just countered your own argument in the same sentence unless you are implying i have some kind of godly skill.

Wrong as usual. Tim is pointing out that the game isn't all about guns, so resetting just guns and money wouldn't be an effective way to start an even playing field. For instance, some players really like instruments, so they'll work for money then buy instruments off of the players that didn't lose them. The player selling the instrument has an advantage over the other players trying to make money to buy guns therefore this reset would be utterly pointless. Yet another great idea from Tk v2.eh

There really isn't anything wrong with everyone having money. They keep releasing more and more stuff for you to spend money and time on I don't get why you always whine about there being 'free money' on the gmap when you probably don't even have a god tier gun yourself. Era isn't solely about being richer than everyone else it's about having fun and working towards what you want, whatever that might be. Church is obsessed with gang events, I have an obsession with hats, William is infatuated with skill, but we all have fun and achieve what we want. This is easier to do now for everyone, especially noobs.

You run around the gmap laming corners and talking smack then say that everyone takes the game too seriously when they ask you to back it up in a betspar or in pk again. I have historically been Era's biggest complainer and you're putting me to shame here man. Shut up and play the game unless you have good, plausible, or constructive ideas. If you don't like the game, nobody is forcing you to play (it's free now) so go pick up something else and stop being a thorn in our sides.

[Zongui]

era is like the only online game I know where a reset happens all the time. like whenever it reached a certain point, it was time to reset era just to reset era and start from the beginning all over again. it never solved anything. it's like some matrix type of stuff. it's ridiculous for it to keep happening.

so someone on era was caught duping last week or something like that and it's a good thing that it was caught, but every time era has been reset, someone has always found a new way to dupe and whatnot. people have always found a way to get super rich and whatnot. it's like gta v online. someone on gta v online always found a new money glitch, despite updates from R. they would fix the old glitch in the new update, but then someone would find a new way. anyways, the number of dupers on era have decreased a lot though, and staff have been better at finding cheaters.

[Demisis_P2P]

Christmas event did much more damage to the server than the lastest duping incident did.

[shrimps]

Right?....

[xDarkTAx]

Originally Posted by demisis_p2p

christmas event did much more damage to the server than the lastest duping incident did.

+1


Reset everything or reset nothing. I'm in favor of a full reset myself but I would rather no reset over a just economic reset. That would fix nothing.

[paintballdude956]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Christmas event did much more damage to the server than the lastest duping incident did.

This "incident" has done next to nothing to the economy. Not a single one of the prizes for Christmas is pawnable (except I think I put G36ks in the rare presents). So really, there's no change in the economy.
Any other perceived "damage" can easily be mitigated. Compare this to the absolute nightmare of tracking down millions of dollars of duped items, and it's absolutely ludicrous to even compare the two

[Zongui]

yeah, i was thinking that most of the items you get from the gifts can't be pawned, so I dunno how that would ruin the economy. people puttin up all those xmas items in the mall are having their items being bought by people that have cash. that money is moving around and most of it comes from players pking and doing jobs (not pawning xmas items). unless you mean something else by economy.

word on the street is that around 70 mil was duped in the recent duping incident. i was surprised at who did it though. the guy had a high mining level too, so you know he was a hard worker. i guess he decided to stop playing era the right way. rip.

[BigMonster]

Originally Posted by Zongui

word on the street is that around 70 mil was duped in the recent duping incident.

Word on the street? Must be true then!

[Eclipse]

10th post... then it must be true

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by Zongui

yeah, i was thinking that most of the items you get from the gifts can't be pawned, so I dunno how that would ruin the economy. people puttin up all those xmas items in the mall are having their items being bought by people that have cash. that money is moving around and most of it comes from players pking and doing jobs (not pawning xmas items). unless you mean something else by economy.

word on the street is that around 70 mil was duped in the recent duping incident. i was surprised at who did it though. the guy had a high mining level too, so you know he was a hard worker. i guess he decided to stop playing era the right way. rip.

I wasn't even thinking about pawning.

I was referring to creating hundreds and hundreds of MP5 Navy equivalents and giving them out to everyone for free.
If I owned an MP5 Navy right now I'd be trying to sell it fast, buy one of these for 15k, now I've still got a 0.05 freeze, 0.25 rate of fire gun, with a bigger clip and only 1 less damage, but now I also have an extra 600k in my bank account.



SL-86 Candy Canes will affect the price of MP5 Navy more than all of the duped MP5 Navys did.

Add to that all of the Big Licks that were spawned, and consider that there are people who made millions on the first day by selling these for 400k+ and selling Reindeer Mounts for 200k+.
Plus all of the other items that got were generated.

How is that not damaging the economy more than duping a few items that have a stable price and which actually at least still fit into the tier system?

The Christmas event should have only been novelty items/auras/hats, consumable items, or season items that would no longer work once the snow was gone.

[Zongui]

yeah those sl candy guns are pretty OP and they are cheap ($$$). i don't know much about the big licks. the mounts are OP too.

i have np with people making millions off of those items though. if people want to spend their money to get those items, then i don't see a problem with it. i remember godzilla talking about how there is nothing to buy on era, so he just has a lot of money saved up. i reckon there are others who feel the same, so people spendin their money on these items is no biggie.

i also remember people talkin about how noobs don't stand a chance because it takes too long to get a good weapon, but now with the xmas guns, noobs can get a good weapon fast, and for cheap too. i am guessin that some people are frustrated over this because they can't get "easy" kills anymore or something. those sl candy guns are the really good and cheap weapons that noobs can get. the sl candy gun was buffed earlier this week. i wonder what it was like before the buff.

i agree with you that it affects mp5 navy prices and what not, but overall, i don't think it messed up the economy. the only thing that i would have a problem with are the weapons. they will all get the nerf hammer most likely. for the most part, i think people are frustrated at all the noobs running around with "lame" weapons.

this is all interesting, though. trying to find a good balance. you have to remember that it is easier to make money now, so a lot more players will have good items now. i think that is catching some people by surprise. i bring up the balance part because i remember people on here complaining about how hard it is for noobs to get good weapons, but now they have good weapons, and people are now complaining about that.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

I was referring to creating hundreds and hundreds of MP5 Navy equivalents and giving them out to everyone for free.

The Christmas event should have only been novelty items/auras/hats, consumable items, or season items that would no longer work once the snow was gone.

Never tried them, I don't think Ish did either we just used the items Name listed.
Obviously these items will be nerfed to (or below.. given the amount) tier 2 eventually.

Agreed; maybe I should've got more involved... forgot everything done by Name ends up needing to be fixed.

[Zongui]

yeah those weapons need to be nerf'd. then all will be well. ish is on his 1 week break tho.

i actually see what you mean by the economy now, dem. the whole xmas event should have been more planned out, unless this is what they wanted to happen.

i wonder how many rare/common gifts were opened.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Zongui

i wonder how many rare/common gifts were opened.

2884 Common
1615 Rare

[Zongui]

whoa i was expecting a lot more. ish is on era right now. probably gonna nerf some stuff.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

2884 Common
1615 Rare

Wrong.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

Wrong.

Lol k.

[paintballdude956]

Yeah, so everything has been fixed. I nerfed the SL86 guns, the Big Lick, etc.
No long term damage. Did some people make a ton of money? Sure. Did some lose money? Sure. But at least tons of cash wasn't pumped into the economy. Money just exchanged hands

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by paintballdude956

Yeah, so everything has been fixed. I nerfed the SL86 guns, the Big Lick, etc.
No long term damage. Did some people make a ton of money? Sure. Did some lose money? Sure. But at least tons of cash wasn't pumped into the economy. Money just exchanged hands

Yeah I'm not overly fussed about money changing hands.
My main concern was about people getting permanent weapons for free from the event.
If you'd said at the start that an SL-86 would last 1 week from the first use, then that's cool, in that case give it any stats you want.
If people want to buy 52 SL-86s for 10k each and have a years worth of them for 520k then thats ok, this puts them much closer in value to guns with similar stats.
If the Big Lick had durability like other melee weapons and after a while it was all licked up, then thats cool too, hand out Big Licks like they're candy.

It was purely the fact that they are permanent items that bothered me the most.

Another option would have been switching them to a "christmas ammo".
Anything that made them just a seasonal item would probably have been better than nerfing them into oblivion. Then after a little while they can go away for a year again.

[WillaWonka]

Last i recall the last duping incident was like... years ago when two guys duped the **** outta everything and gave it all away. Atleast the last one that really screwed the economy over.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by WillaWonka

Atleast the last one that really screwed the economy over.

Yea the most recent one didn't really do anything at all... quite the opposite; more was removed than added -- since all his accounts were reset.
As said by someone else; he had a fairly high mining level and was known to betflip/pick trash/trade as well. He was one of the richest players on the server prior to trying to dupe and force a reset.

And nothing he duped got off of his account.

[xDarkTAx]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

2884 Common
1615 Rare

Are those my numbers? That looks about like how many I opened myself.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by xDarkTAx

Are those my numbers? That looks about like how many I opened myself.

That's how many were logged.
Does dropping multiple npcs in the same spot make it only log once or something??

[Zongui]

oh yeah, he was one of the people that wanted era to reset. guess he just didn't care anymore and said f*** it.

[xDarkTAx]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

That's how many were logged.
Does dropping multiple npcs in the same spot make it only log once or something??

I don't know about how it is logged, but I'm pretty sure I opened nearly that many myself.

[geneticfrog]

so did you guys track down every single trade and item that guy bought and gave away to people?

or you just banned him reset only his crap and recent trade that are logged and said he fixed it!

again ide try buying al ocker letting it expire for friends, running around with millions and anything else that doesnt' involve actually using the trade system to give money out.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by geneticfrog

so did you guys track down every single trade and item that guy bought and gave away to people?

Obviously; everything you do on Era is logged to some degree. This is why the trade system was disabled for two days.