Dear Graal Online Staff...

[oo_jazz_oo]

Graal has always been a game of customization...a game of making your own adventure, creating your own land...One of the most basic forms of customizing Graal is changing the look of your player. Once v5 was introduced, you had to upgrade to gold to customize...the subscription price was high, and it seems like a steep price for such a simple feature.

iPhone Graal comes out, and you have to pay for the full version to customize your character...the game is only 2 dollars, so, its actually not that unreasonable. It sounds like a good system. Non-Paying players can use a select number of outfits, and if you opt to pay, you get to fully customize your character.

Reading the news on iPhone Graal, it now seems you are charging for players to upload new graphics...If a player wants his own unique look...well, not even a unique look; a unique shield. He must now pay to do so.
Of course, it will be said that you don't have to pay real money, but can simply acquire gralats in-game.

This would be true if it wasn't so hard to do so. To upload a single shield, it now costs 2,500 gralats.
I have almost 6 hours of online time on Graal Online Classic. Not a lot, I realize, but most of it (~4 hours) was spent farming gralats. I have less than 500 gralats. So, once you spend hours farming a few gralats, and realize it will take you hours to upload a single shield, what do you do? Pay for gralats. Pay real money for gralats.

Now, not only do you have to pay $2 for the game itself, but an additional $1 per shield you want uploaded.
One of the things that people enjoy in Graal, customizing your character, is now ruined.

Reading through countless Facebook comments, it seems the general consensus is that people do not like the new upload price. Not shocking.
So, I ask of you, Stefan/Unixmad/Xor...think about what you are doing to the players. Even if there is no way you could remove the upload price, and go back to the old (better) system, could you at least make it easier to get gralats, instead of shelling out money. There are over 15,000 shields uploaded on Graal Online Classic alone. I expect the number of new shields being uploaded to drop drastically.

Graal Online Classic lacks content as it is. Most Graal servers have jobs, and methods of making money. Why doesn't Graal Online Classic?
Are there no jobs simply so people are forced to pay money? If that is not the case, then why not make it easier to make gralats? At least then, people have a choice whether they want to spend money on an upload, or spend some time getting gralats. Because, at the moment, the choices are either pay a dollar, or spend countless hours slashing bushes...

tl;dr: Graal Online Classic now charges for uploading shields. I urge the staff to make new ways to make money, so people are not forced to pay real money to simply upload shields.

[Fogell]

I love you

[Tricxta]

Can always buy a guild house for 5 AUSD or get your hours up by afking (ruining you ipod battery in the process) so you can get into the ghetto or what they call it... then from there it should only take 4 hours or so to get 2.5k

But yes I agree, something needs to be done :|

[Rufus]

I think they should have left the regular uploads alone, as it has been free since the game came out. Charging for personal uploads sucks, but it's better than charging for everything and I think the players would see some value in that. Currently there is complaints everywhere about this change.

[FateDog]

The game was going to **** from the beginning on the IOS, 1k Per Sword, 2.5k Per Shield, BULL ****.

Used to love the game and the staff, but the manager of the server is a corrupt ****tard, my proposition?

1. Stop this retarded "pay for uploads"
2. Fire Xor
3. Make Azrael Manager
4. Fire any unneeded staff

4 Simple steps to make the game fun again

[Door]

I'm kinda surprised to find out that this happened. It seems like a decision that will only bring negative effects.

[Galdor]

well something have to pay for these as they don't have anything creative going on.

[MattKan]

I think Classic iPhone is doomed in the direction it is headed.

But this is the attitude that will only make things worse:

Originally Posted by FateDog

but the manager of the server is a corrupt...

This is the attitude that will only make things better:

Originally Posted by Door

I'm...surprised...seems like a decision that will only bring negative effects.

I don't think we should all assume it's Xor's fault, because I highly doubt that Stefan and Unixmad aren't pressuring him to do things like this. (Xor probably has little or no say in it at all.) I think that Xor should use the power that he does have to accomplish two goals. These two goals will allow the players to have fun while allowin Stefan/Unixmad to receive a steady income:

• Release ways for players to have fun: jobs, events, games, quests, special features to houses such as pools, waterslides, and more
• Release things that aren't crucial to gameplay, but require you to pay for them so that Stefan and Unixmad are able to still receive their income. These things will need to be good enough that players want to purchase them and won't regret it, while players should feel like the game is no fun because they don't have these things.

This new fee is definitely a step in the wrong direction. More like a leap, actually. Hopefully something will be done about it.

[FateDog]

You would be suppressed how much power that ban happy jack ass has matt, and I don't care, I quit after they stopped giving credit for work people did, Matt, you know the server is **** and it IS doomed.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Galdor

well something have to pay for these as they don't have anything creative going on.

[MattKan]

Originally Posted by FateDog

You would be suppressed how much power that ban happy jack ass has matt, and I don't care, I quit after they stopped giving credit for work people did, Matt, you know the server is **** and it IS doomed.

Just want to clarify that I'm not the Matt who is an admin on that server.

And the server isn't doomed if something is done about it.

[salesman]

start releasing actual content that will make customers happy and lead to long-term investors instead of obvious money-grubbing "updates"

[Crono]

I hope this happens on PC Graal so I can finally quit in peace.

Also:

[FateDog]

Crono, I love you man.
Matt, we know your not the same mat, lol thus the "Kan"
Server = Doomed

"oh noah we can makes good updates and release ****"
Right after minecraft steals half your users.

[MattKan]

tehe

[Tricxta]

wait a sec... theres already been various threads similar to this which iClassic staff, stefan and unixmad obviously ignore. What makes this one different o.0

[Devil_Lord2]

Originally Posted by oo_jazz_oo

Reading the news on iPhone Graal, it now seems you are charging for players to upload new graphics...If a player wants his own unique look...well, not even a unique look; a unique shield. He must now pay to do so.

Not even unique, seeing anyone can go onto Taylor Richards app and find these unique swords and shields. You can't even have your own, or your guilds own shield or swords. I mean sure some people have iFile but those are only 100? people less then the 2000/8000 people playing iPhone Graal...


These statistics aren't correct but I think are close to the minimum that is probable..

Originally Posted by oo_jazz_oo

Now, not only do you have to pay $2 for the game itself, but an additional $1 per shield you want uploaded.
One of the things that people enjoy in Graal, customizing your character, is now ruined.

I think the point you have to buy the customization pack, and then buy the features to use to customize is messed up lol... I mean... why not set the colors free, then buying all the other stuff and being able to use them costly.. D: ?

Originally Posted by oo_jazz_oo

So, I ask of you, Stefan/Unixmad/Xor...think about what you are doing to the players. Even if there is no way you could remove the upload price, and go back to the old (better) system, could you at least make it easier to get gralats, instead of shelling out money.

Picking up rocks with lvl1 gloves!
But really it would be neat if you could find hats by farming.. and you didn't need the customization pack to use them >.>

Originally Posted by oo_jazz_oo

There are over 15,000 shields uploaded on Graal Online Classic alone. I expect the number of new shields being uploaded to drop drastically.

Having less swords to go through makes it easier on their end...
I wonder what happens if they pay to have them uploaded but they get declined for not looking good.. lol



I don't understand why the focus is to make less people like classic, rather then actually caring about what the people want and making it a little more then a social network.. add fun into the game..

Customization is a neat thing to do, and yea collecting things can be an expensive hobby, but why not make it more than collecting things, talking to people, and guilds hating each other because of boundaries... :o


Just keep the 3 heart system, and lvl1 sword and I will be slightly happy. :]

[skillmaster19]

Originally Posted by FateDog

The game was going to **** from the beginning on the IOS, 1k Per Sword, 2.5k Per Shield, BULL ****.

Used to love the game and the staff, but the manager of the server is a corrupt ****tard, my proposition?

1. Stop this retarded "pay for uploads"
2. Fire Xor
3. Make Azrael Manager
4. Fire any unneeded staff

4 Simple steps to make the game fun again

if azrael was manager graal would fail.

[Raspberry]

Stupid idea that has hit Classic Iphone yet.

[alskdjfhg]

So they ruined PC Graal, and now they want to ruin iPhone Graal? Why am I not surprised?

[fowlplay4]

Sucks that they made uploading easier (for both Staff and Players) and then slapped a price tag on it.

[Devil_Lord2]

When iClassic falls, at least I may still have Frontier... :'[
'They' should attack iEra instead of iClassic... >:0

iPod Tug-O-Wars!

Actually it may not matter,
I may just quit PC and iPod for Facebook
...until they decide to 'fix' that too.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Devil_Lord2

'They' should attack iEra instead of iClassic... >:0

iEra actually implemented this system first. Stefan just deleted all the posts complaining about it before which I suspect will happen here.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

iEra actually implemented this system first. Stefan just deleted all the posts complaining about it before which I suspect will happen here.

Guess some people never change afterall.

[Devil_Lord2]

Oh, I don't play Era.. or iEra.. personal grudge because of Chrisz..
Anyway never-mind o.O looks like they had to suffer before us D:

[ISonic]

Originally Posted by FateDog

The game was going to **** from the beginning on the IOS, 1k Per Sword, 2.5k Per Shield, BULL ****.

Used to love the game and the staff, but the manager of the server is a corrupt ****tard, my proposition?

1. Stop this retarded "pay for uploads"
2. Fire Xor
3. Make Azrael Manager
4. Fire any unneeded staff

4 Simple steps to make the game fun again

+1 az for manager

[ISonic]

Originally Posted by Devil_Lord2

When iClassic falls, at least I may still have Frontier... :'[
'They' should attack iEra instead of iClassic... >:0

iPod Tug-O-Wars!

Actually it may not matter,
I may just quit PC and iPod for Facebook
...until they decide to 'fix' that too.

IEra is awesome let classic die..

[MattKan]

Originally Posted by ISonic

+1 az for manager

No offense to Azrael or anything, but I think it is pretty darn stupid and narrow minded of you to say he should be manager just because he is socially acceptable.

[Devil_Lord2]

Originally Posted by ISonic

IEra is awesome let classic die..

I let both go the route that their management want them to go. :]

[PhilSmith]

I don't think you guys understand... They lowered the initial price because they knew they could get money by other means. Plus, there has been economy involved in the game since graal started. I don't understand why you are all so mad at the game now. I made the (VERY EASY) choice a while ago to not buy crap on servers. If I really want it, I'll work hard enough to make the money to buy it. It's just like real life.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by PhilSmith

They lowered the initial price because they knew they could get money by other means.

The initial price was free?

[MattKan]

Originally Posted by PhilSmith

I don't understand why you are all so mad at the game now.

Well, in the initital post of this thread, a great point was made about customization being taken away from the server.

[PhilSmith]

Originally Posted by Rufus

The initial price was free?

Not sure where you got that from my post. I actually meant that they made it free to play because they knew they could make money elsewhere. Sorry that was a mistake.

Originally Posted by MattKan

Well, in the initital post of this thread, a great point was made about customization being taken away from the server.

It was a well made point, however there is no customization being taken away. You pay the $1 for the game and get an amount of looks. These looks are pleanty for a new player to develop their own style. The rest are items in game to enhance game play. It's not like they only give you access to 2 looks and expect you to buy your look after buying customization.

[Devil_Lord2]

Originally Posted by PhilSmith

I don't think you guys understand... They lowered the initial price because they knew they could get money by other means. Plus, there has been economy involved in the game since graal started. I don't understand why you are all so mad at the game now. I made the (VERY EASY) choice a while ago to not buy crap on servers. If I really want it, I'll work hard enough to make the money to buy it. It's just like real life.

I haven't spent a penny on it.. :o

[oo_jazz_oo]

Originally Posted by PhilSmith

It was a well made point, however there is no customization being taken away. You pay the $1 for the game and get an amount of looks. These looks are pleanty for a new player to develop their own style. The rest are items in game to enhance game play. It's not like they only give you access to 2 looks and expect you to buy your look after buying customization.

Well, yes, you pay for the game and you get to choose a shield from the ones that were uploaded (for free, mind you).

If you want your own shield, like most people do, you can no longer upload it for free...the 16,000+ shields that were uploaded before, were uploaded for free. Now you are expected to pay a dollar per shield? Its just not fair.

I would have never thought in a million years that uploading would cost money.
Players have uploaded custom outfits on Graal since its conception...now they decide they want to mess that up.

[xAndrewx]

makes it easier for staff / players, why not.
1787 uploads since Sun Apr 10 16:28:02 2011

[Tricxta]

yer thats true but now isnt there a method that you iStaff have that uploads automatically for you?
quoted from iClassic news:

You can upload directly at tinyurl.com/classicupload,no more waiting weeks to get things uploaded.

Or have I entirely mis-interpreted this?

[oo_jazz_oo]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

makes it easier for staff / players, why not.
1787 uploads since Sun Apr 10 16:28:02 2011

I havn't played Era iPhone, but does it take (literally) hours to get enough money to upload?

Thats my main point here...if you are going to put such a price into place, there should at least be a reasonable way to obtain enough money. Because, currently, there isn't on Classic iPhone.

[Snake980]

Originally Posted by oo_jazz_oo

I havn't played Era iPhone, but does it take (literally) hours to get enough money to upload?

Thats my main point here...if you are going to put such a price into place, there should at least be a reasonable way to obtain enough money. Because, currently, there isn't on Classic iPhone.

ehh on Era iPhone there's a number of ways to make money. It takes time, but you can split it up and make so much money each day so you're not constantly working. Kind of like when you mine on PC Era; or if you want you can buy Gralats from iTunes.

[mrnothersan]

i think they should keep the new system for the rich people who want mega fast uploads, but also keep the old system with slow uploads for the poor people... who agrees