New Guns Shop?

[swift]

So over the past few years, Era's economy has been in the gutter. We all know this.. how can we fix it? There have been suggestions that staff should make a guns shop containing every gun on the game being sold at a locked price, basically so every gun has a set price and the economy can't go haywire.

Does Era support this idea? Would you guys like it if Era came out with a new weapons shop, just like fort knoxx, and the pawn shop, where players can buy and sell back all the guns on the game?

This would put Era's economy at a stable balance and beat the unfair prices/lame guns race, and it will also make it easier for GP's to do their job by making it to where all guns can be tracked through the pawn shop and hopefully where we can get a system telling how staff how many of a certain kind of gun exists in era, watching out for duping/glitches being exploited.

So what are your ideas? Do you guys support this idea? Are you against it? Do you guys have any BETTER ideas for the economy? Please share them.

[codecub]

how would this fix era's economy? era's economy is determined by the players and what they believe the street price of an item is. personally i don't really think that it's in the gutter right now because everything is somewhat affordable.

also isn't there already a shop in which you can return your items for %75 of the original shop price?

[Zelot]

I think it'd be a great idea. It would just be like Vulcan auctioning off weapons but instead it's a shop. I also like the idea because Famas and alot of other guns are just... out there. Instead of coming from somewhere, players that have say K180s could quit and the players that are new or just want them won't have a way. Now they will, assuming the rest of you think this way.

[swift]

Originally Posted by codecub

how would this fix era's economy? era's economy is determined by the players and what they believe the street price of an item is. personally i don't really think that it's in the gutter right now because everything is somewhat affordable.

also isn't there already a shop in which you can return your items for %75 of the original shop price?

Are you really trying to say you could actually purchase more then 50% of the guns out on the market?

Over 60% of them cost over 150-200k.

[codecub]

i'm saying that the prices are somewhat affordable, there's no reason you'd need to fix the economy. it's driven by players for players! not many people play era and coincidentally gun prices go up. unless the system was automated (which is ridiculous) there's no way guns would be affordable.

point being; you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Reckman]

No, just no.

[bloodykiller]

a shop with all guns is just dull..takes out the exclusivness of rare items
a good idea would be to "spawn" existing and NEW GUNS through auctions, which are also quite fun
for example, say that every monday at a set time 5-10 guns are auctioned, this would be great

[swift]

Originally Posted by Reckman

No, just no.

You have everything.

Obviously you wouldn't want this you greedy bastard.

[Zelot]

Take note on both of you having Mp5s, not to mention Reck has two. You just don't want others having the same ability to get guns.

[swift]

I'd also like to add that there would also be a fairly good chance of new weapons being added through this shop if it's made.

[Reckman]

That would cause a overflow in guns....
In a year there would be way too many of one gun.

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

a shop with all guns is just dull..takes out the exclusivness of rare items
a good idea would be to "spawn" existing and NEW GUNS through auctions, which are also quite fun
for example, say that every monday at a set time 5-10 guns are auctioned, this would be great

[Zelot]

xKokomokox (Fri Feb 04 20:15:29 2011):
i agree with a massive shop with MOST of the guns on era but i would be butthurt if my rare guns were common D:
even if at a set price
wait no that makes no sense
or wait
yeah. ****. idk.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Reckman

That would cause a overflow in guns....
In a year there would be way too many of one gun.

no because people turn innactive/get banned

[codecub]

dude it doesn't matter what you add to the game, you need to take away things too.

you'd basically have to take away the trade system and completely remove street prices for items for your perfect economy to work. that's absolutely ridiculous from a financial standpoint. it'd basically force every player to mine for their money... most people just merchant etc.

also half of your arguements are flawed - nobody cares whether or not your guns are going to be considered rare anymore. it's about enjoying the game and what items have to offer.

but in reality era's economy just doesn't work that way.

case in point: stupid thread is stupid

[Reckman]

I could give two ****s about what Items i have.
If you make one shop have all the weapons, that's too unbalanced, there should be "rare" guns and items.

ie, You can't walk into a store and buy a musket from over 200 years ago.

Originally Posted by Zelot

Take note on both of you having Mp5s, not to mention Reck has two. You just don't want others having the same ability to get guns.

[bloodykiller]

and mp5 is definitely not exclusive..im talking about items like katana, pbp, souizen, light sabre.......loads of you noobs r complaining about how lame guns are, like this many people would be able to have mp5, pbp/pl9, katana/ls
is this not lame?
and not to mention that nobody would want cheaper but still good guns since they can easily have an mp5/tg/souizen

[Reckman]

You're acting as tons of people with a good set of guns get banned each day...

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

no because people turn innactive/get banned

[Zelot]

"it'd basically force every player to mine for their money"

So what you're saying it people should just buy/sell or "work" for their guns like most of the Erians are doing? So the basic mining system or shoveling that was created for money making shouldn't be the main way to get money? I'm confused.

[bloodykiller]

nobody wants the economy to be fixed..smart people like me can read the economy (understand which products are raising/falling in price) therefore become rich from that instead of boring old working which nobody likes logically

[swift]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

and mp5 is definitely not exclusive..im talking about items like katana, pbp, souizen, light sabre.......loads of you noobs r complaining about how lame guns are, like this many people would be able to have mp5, pbp/pl9, katana/ls
is this not lame?
and not to mention that nobody would want cheaper but still good guns since they can easily have an mp5/tg/souizen

You'd be having to make millions of dollars very "easily" to "easily" obtain an Mp5, or a PBP..

[Zelot]

Also not to mention that the sell back price isn't 100% refund. So if it turns out you don't like say, your p2ks. You can trade someone for another gun that doesn't have enough refund cash. There still would be trading, just... different.

[codecub]

Originally Posted by Zelot

"it'd basically force every player to mine for their money"

So what you're saying it people should just buy/sell or "work" for their guns like most of the Erians are doing? So the basic mining system or shoveling that was created for money making shouldn't be the main way to get money? I'm confused.

nobody 'works' for their guns anymore, if you've played the game for more than a couple of months you'd realize that nobody mines for 8 hours a day until they have like 800k to buy a tommy gun etc. most people sell guns they buy for a higher price because the economy fluctuates frequently. at least that's how i made over 2m when i started.

in other words: i don't pull sh1t out of my 455. i know what i'm talking about based off of experience.

thread topic:

either way the only way you'd balance out the economy is if you gave everyone free guns lmao otherwise you'd still have to mine for 8hrs each day until you could afford an expensive gun.

which is what you want to be more affordable apparently?

[Reckman]

It's called Merching.

Originally Posted by swift

You'd be having to make millions of dollars very "easily" to "easily" obtain an Mp5, or a PBP..

[Zelot]

I understand nobody works for their money anymore. Yet with this shop plan you can still 'merch' if you're smart about it. You are not always right, you're just throwing out ideas left and right without thinking. Also take a look at the polls ingame '/polls'

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

nobody wants the economy to be fixed..smart people like me can read the economy (understand which products are raising/falling in price) therefore become rich from that instead of boring old working which nobody likes logically

[Reckman]

Originally Posted by Zelot

I understand nobody works for their money anymore. Yet with this shop plan you can still 'merch' if you're smart about it. You are not always right, you're just throwing out ideas left and right without thinking. Also take a look at the polls ingame '/polls'

Of course the majority of people said "yes" because the majority doesn't have a lot of money or gun value.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Zelot

I understand nobody works for their money anymore. Yet with this shop plan you can still 'merch' if you're smart about it. You are not always right, you're just throwing out ideas left and right without thinking. Also take a look at the polls ingame '/polls'

you could only be able to merch with small profits...no fun in that
and the key component of merching is being able to read guns demand/rarity and based on that investing on specific items, that would totally be destroyed although it's always been one of era's main features that attract players and make this homo game addictive

[Zero_yuy]

Mining and shoveling are stupid ways of making money anyway.

I thought Era was about killing things.

And the guns, I have no opinion. But the fact that a gun does disappear when the only 5 players who have it disappear, is not cool.

[Zelot]

I'd like to hear some other opinions from players that don't have 10m total. Dogbert is one of them, yet talking about making 2m when you start, I thought swift gave you houses? O.o.
Also hello there Demisis.

[swift]

Originally Posted by Reckman

Of course the majority of people said "yes" because the majority doesn't have a lot of money or gun value.

Majority says yes for this reason duh.

The only reason you say no is because you own certain items that you don't want other players getting their hands on through the shop.

[Demisis_P2P]

Every gun should be obtainable to the general public without having to buy it from another player.
But every gun should not be sold in a general NPC store.

Black, white, meet grey.

[codecub]

the thing is though is that this idea is retarded as all hell, but we've already got a poll in game about it so i guess it's going to happen.

as soon as any staff member has an idea for something i guess it's GOING to happen - why did he even post this thread?

[GarethOmni]

DO IT, FRAK THE GOVERNMENT and ITS ELITIST STRUCTURE.

No really, I love this idea if it were a woman I'd ravish it in a manly fashion while calling it my dear mudkip.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Zero_yuy

Mining and shoveling are stupid ways of making money anyway.

I thought Era was about killing things.

And the guns, I have no opinion. But the fact that a gun does disappear when the only 5 players who have it disappear, is not cool.

offtopic but what has to be changed on era is making money in a pking related way
take halloween as an example, when skull tokens were given as a prize for kills the playercount was crazy and people werent afking and massing but pking all the time

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

offtopic but what has to be changed on era is making money in a pking related way
take halloween as an example, when skull tokens were given as a prize for kills the playercount was crazy and people werent afking and massing but pking all the time

[Zelot]

What are you talking about Dogbert? You just said people in-game are voting yes, so that means staff gets their ways regardless? Obviously not if PEOPLE are voting for it and the STAFF aren't doing it regardless with/without a vote.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Every gun should be obtainable to the general public without having to buy it from another player.
But every gun should not be sold in a general NPC store.

Black, white, meet grey.

why do you keep posting on the era forum? it's since before i quit (4 years ago) i havnt seen you online so none of this is relevant for you

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

why do you keep posting on the era forum? it's since before i quit (4 years ago) i havnt seen you online so none of this is relevant for you

I was on Era yesterday. Whats up?

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Zelot

What are you talking about Dogbert? You just said people in-game are voting yes, so that means staff gets their ways regardless? Obviously not if PEOPLE are voting for it and the STAFF aren't doing it regardless with/without a vote.

as i said, only noobs r voting yes since they dont know what era actually is all about and noobs are 80-90% of eras population (zelot is one of them)

[Zelot]

You always want opinions bloodykiller, he's an outsider which is a different view. Calm down.