Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

[Tyhm]

I don't get why default movement would require redoing anything. The current extant material would just require adding (to the classes, I should think)

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As for the pyramid, gimme my tools and I'll convert it myself, I'm a bit sick of this bickering. Are the arrows "shoot" projectiles clientside, oldschool shootarrows, or serverside projectiles? 's all that'll matter much. I guess without the ratform one of the puzzles will need a different solution, unless someone else wants to grab that.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

As for the pyramid, gimme my tools and I'll convert it myself, I'm a bit sick of this bickering. Are the arrows "shoot" projectiles clientside, oldschool shootarrows, or serverside projectiles? 's all that'll matter much. I guess without the ratform one of the puzzles will need a different solution, unless someone else wants to grab that.

Last time I checked you had your tools. I added you to Classic staff myself at Thors request.

Ratform already exists on the server.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

The players of other servers...

First off, those votes could mostly be current classic players for all you know.
Second, its potential players regardless
Third, almost every vote wants the HD changed.
Fourth, why do you guys insist on using the same argument that is totally irrelevant?
Fifth, wow.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

I don't get why default movement would require redoing anything. The current extant material would just require adding (to the classes, I should think)

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As for the pyramid, gimme my tools and I'll convert it myself, I'm a bit sick of this bickering. Are the arrows "shoot" projectiles clientside, oldschool shootarrows, or serverside projectiles? 's all that'll matter much. I guess without the ratform one of the puzzles will need a different solution, unless someone else wants to grab that.

Finally someone who will at least attempt to make a difference.

[Tyhm]

PS - if I do this, I'm fixing your damn baddies. They can synch up serverside all they like, but they absolutely must take and deal damage clientside, and they must take the right goddamn number of hits! THIS IS CLASSIC, if we're not doing it right who the hell is?!

[MysticX2X]

Think of it this way...I've mentioned it on RC to a couple:

If the old overworld is converted, that's taking a years worth of time for potential new things. We could roll out 5+ quests in that time (If DC was damn active again). The current overworld is fine. It just needs more meat.

Default systems idea should be done, but I dont know how much converting to it would affect current classic levels.

[Bell]

Tyhm, I don't work for Classic. I'm just the lucky one that gets to listen to everyone complain regardless of what anyone does or tries to do. Storm and Thor are the managers. DC (who is active btw, ignore Mystic) is currently the Dev admin and just as frustrated as everyone else. Speak to Thor, I know you have contact with him.

[Rufus]

FYI there is one member of staff and one ex member of staff who are working together in redesigning the pyramid quest currently.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by unknown

Finally someone who will at least attempt to make a difference.

finally???

i knew some day thym was going to come back and save his old home server!!!

go bless thym lolol

[contego]

Originally Posted by Bell

Tyhm, I don't work for Classic. I'm just the lucky one that gets to listen to everyone complain regardless of what anyone does or tries to do. Storm and Thor are the managers. DC (who is active btw, ignore Mystic) is currently the Dev admin and just as frustrated as everyone else. Speak to Thor, I know you have contact with him.

Right Bell, but in all fairness are they really managing atm?

You're also right that you get to hear the compliants, but it's all part of the package deal and tbh I believe you're one who can help get this job done.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by contego

Right Bell, but in all fairness are they really managing atm?

You're also right that you get to hear the compliants, but it's all part of the package deal and tbh I believe you're one who can help get this job done.

say what.

she already tryed to ditch us with the review , tbh i dont think she can help no more.'

edit: im already glad to hear that thym will bring the best quest ever made

[contego]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

say what.

she already tryed to ditch us with the review , tbh i dont think she can help no more.'

edit: im already glad to hear that thym will bring the best quest ever made

I'm sorry Laura, but was that a stab at an active Global, who does free work for Graal, and actually works? She can't be everywhere at once. Uncalled for, yet again.

However I'm really not surprised to see Tyhm stepping up to the plate, he was always ready to help.

[BlackSolider]

Do you even know anything about the PWA review we had on classic recently?

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

As for the pyramid, gimme my tools and I'll convert it myself

Have fun with that!

[Minoc]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

It was suggested to just shut the NPC server down? What will that give you, default HD with a bunch of broken custom systems.
How long do you think the globals would let us having our NPC server down intentionally?

I was quite obviously suggesting that so you could upload the old content with less effort. The custom systems are irrelevant.

If it's best for the server, why would the globals resist?

[ffcmike]

The fact of the matter is,
even if the true current Classic players wanted the old levels restored exact (which I believe is just a case of the players wanting any type of positive change),
and even if doing so would actually bring a significant amount of old players back (which I doubt)......
The Old levels can not simply be reuploaded.

As far as converting the thousands or so levels go,
it would be a bit like humans trying to travel to another planet in a different star system,
I wouldn't say it's impossible, if we sent 100 people in a big enough ship and waited for a few tens of thousands of years inwhich nothing went wrong, and a steady amount of breeding was sustained in order to keep the crew large enough, they might make it.
But this just isn't going to happen.

Default Systems on the other hand are something which I do believe we can put into place, just this is something which would require work to start from scratch,
whichever specific server plan we try to follow would require a certain amount of time to be completed, just with Default Systems the transition into Classic Development for new Developers would be easier than at current, and the fact that it would be from scratch would mean that there are endless possibilities on server direction, what percentage of Old Levels it would use is besides the point.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

As far as converting the thousands or so levels go,
it would be a bit like humans trying to travel to another planet in a different star system,
I wouldn't say it's impossible, if we sent 100 people in a big enough ship and waited for a few tens of thousands of years inwhich nothing went wrong, and a steady amount of breeding was sustained in order to keep the crew large enough, they might make it.
But this just isn't going to happen.

Your analogy is horribly flawed. The majority of the levels contain nothing but the most basic of scripts, and take very little time to modify. The only real issue is having proper replacements for baddies and the default character NPCs. The rest is merely a matter of persistence, which nobody obviously has the willingness to cope with.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

Your analogy is horribly flawed. The majority of the levels contain nothing but the most basic of scripts, and take very little time to modify. The only real issue is having proper replacements for baddies and the default character NPCs. The rest is merely a matter of persistence, which nobody obviously has the willingness to cope with.

The levels were made before there was such thing as a clientside/serverside split, as far as I know scripts were processed by the client of the first player to enter the level with the data being sent to other players (correct me if i'm wrong), obviously most display purpose NPCs would be as simple as adding a line for Clientside, but alot of the more advanced scripts which made the old levels fun would today be something that would have to function Clientside for the sake of server cpu useage (where large for/while loops and constant timeouts are involved), but they happened to edit variables which now have to be modified Serverside, these require being mostly rescripted if not from scratch.

[Tyhm]

Sure, but how is that any different from how things are now? I mean, you can make the Pyramid from scratch, or you can adapt the Pyramid from scratch for defaulty clientsidey systems, or you can adapt the Pyramid from scratch for true default systemless, or you can adapt the Pyramid from scratch with "Someday this will work as advertised!" serverside "move" baddies, or you can make it from scratch with etc....if you're boned any way you look at it, you may as well save yourself some tiling and arguing with the purists.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by contego

I'm sorry Laura, but was that a stab at an active Global, who does free work for Graal, and actually works? She can't be everywhere at once. Uncalled for, yet again.

say the guy that never played classic in the past

[Zeltino]

Due to 15 pages of posts, I skipped to the end ignoring everyone else (Sorry, I'm way too lazy to read what you all said). In any ways...

I definitely think we should bring back the original/old Classic. So much fun back in those days. I would love to see my old stomping grounds again!

[BlackSolider]

I'll give a quick, sarcastic summary:

Old classic players: Look at the polls! Listen to the people! Clearly this would solve so many problems! I miss old classic and this would bring back a ton of old players!

Current classic players: It would take a massive amount of manpower (which we don't really have,) not to mention it'd take months to complete (if not more than a year.) Meanwhile, nothing would be added to classic and thus the server would probably die before it was complete.

That about sums it up.

[contego]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

say the guy that never played classic in the past

When I started Graal in '99, there was no other server but Classic, and I definitely played.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

say the guy that never played classic in the past

LOL, Laura, you really just shouldn't talk, ever. If I knew you IRL, I would sew your mouth shut and chop off your fingers so you couldn't communicate.

Contego has played longer than I have (9 yrs) and also started on classic like I did, as well as has global staff EXP and has ran his own successful server.

Laura......you've voted, you've said really nothing relevant to the subject, take your 2 cents and spend it somewhere its accepted, because that place isn't here.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by unknown

LOL, Laura, you really just shouldn't talk, ever. If I knew you IRL, I would sew your mouth shut and chop off your fingers so you couldn't communicate.

im scared oh yeah.

Originally Posted by unknown

Contego has played longer than I have (9 yrs) and also started on classic like I did, as well as has global staff EXP and has ran his own successful server.

where did i write the name contego in my post , and lol i dont give a crap about his global staff exp. Also i dont give a fk about when you or he started graal . :P

between me and you id like to know who is caring the most for classic, if i read all your post its all about words and words , yet you did nothing to help classic :P

[contego]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

I'll give a quick, sarcastic summary:

Old classic players: Look at the polls! Listen to the people! Clearly this would solve so many problems! I miss old classic and this would bring back a ton of old players!

Current classic players: It would take a massive amount of manpower (which we don't really have,) not to mention it'd take months to complete (if not more than a year.) Meanwhile, nothing would be added to classic and thus the server would probably die before it was complete.

That about sums it up.

Basically this post was meant to mock us, nothing more. Also, the poll is not all oldbies. The fact remains, this is Classic and should stay as such. Your post is nothing more than a little outburst, and has no relevent argument. It's clear where the development is needed on Classic.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

im scared oh yeah.




where did i write the name contego in my post , and lol i dont give a crap about his global staff exp. Also i dont give a fk about when you or he started graal . :P

between me and you id like to know who is caring the most for classic, if i read all your post its all about words and words , yet you did nothing to help classic :P

Not saying you should be scared lol, you're a waste of my time on the internet, why do you think I would waste time on you IRL?

I really think you're not even old enough to play graal or post on here since you can't understand simple analogies, be relevant, or even simply communicate with others.

Where did you write contego? Hmm, I don't know, you only QUOTED HIM. Did your mom drop you? I mean, besides on the doorstep of someone else? Or maybe she killed 2 birds with 1 stone.

You care for classic so much? You're a FAQ......a position that is unneeded in current classic days. Please let me know what you've done for GRAAL in general? You surely didn't pay for your account which is the root of support. You surely haven't given any good input on this post or anything relevant.

You lack logic in every department, I am amazed you know how to even use a computer, or even walk and talk for that matter.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by contego

no relevent argument

The way you are constantly throwing this around makes me believe you're not really sure what "relevance" is.

[unknown]

Not one person has had a valid argument against ours, except for the fact that it would be HARD to make changes. Please, don't bother posting until you kids have something RELEVANT to say.

[Zeltino]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

where did i write the name contego in my post , (insert idiotic remarks...blah blah blah...) :P

Originally Posted by xnervNATx;

say what.

she already tryed to ditch us with the review , tbh i dont think she can help no more.'

edit: im already glad to hear that thym will bring the best quest ever made

You quoted him you idiot. I'm pretty sure that's in your post. Or maybe I'm blind

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Rufus

The way you are constantly throwing this around makes me believe you're not really sure what "relevance" is.

heres that little mosquito again....and what have you contributed to this post other than negative remarks? If you voted on the poll, I'm POSITIVE you voted on the same thing the majority did, so stop being such a try hard.

[contego]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

im scared oh yeah.



where did i write the name contego in my post , and lol i dont give a crap about his global staff exp. Also i dont give a fk about when you or he started graal . :P

between me and you id like to know who is caring the most for classic, if i read all your post its all about words and words , yet you did nothing to help classic :P

For starters, you quoted me and tried to say "this is coming from someone who never played classic."

Secondly, we're really actually trying to help. One is this poll. Two is that I offered MASTER STORM for me to help out on what I know how to do. I have a real life job and make real life money. I enjoy playing Graal, but I will put my money where my mouth is and help too. I know how to find talent. I can put a team together, I listen, and I prioritize needs.

The last thing I want to do is return working on Graal for Free. They've already milked enough out of me in that department. However I'm also willing to roll up my sleeves and get my hands dirty too.

[Zeltino]

Originally Posted by rufus

the way you are constantly throwing this around makes me believe you're not really sure what "relevance" is.

negative nancy

[unknown]

Hey contego, just remember that if you have any questions, you can ask Debbie Downer, I mean Laura, shes a FAQ!

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by unknown

Not saying you should be scared lol, you're (Insert useless wall of text here)..

yea

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by unknown

Not one person has had a valid argument against ours, except for the fact that it would be HARD to make changes. Please, don't bother posting until you kids have something RELEVANT to say.

I'm pretty sure there has been several "valid arguments" against the opening post, but I suppose you're just going by what you see as a "valid" reason for not doing what you're saying. That must be one hell of a requirement huh.

Originally Posted by unknown

heres that little mosquito again....and what have you contributed to this post other than negative remarks?

Negative Remarks != Critical Input?

Originally Posted by unknown

If you voted on the poll, I'm POSITIVE you voted on the same thing the majority did, so stop being such a try hard.

I didn't vote in the poll because it is too limited and I don't vote for things just for the sake of getting something new. Trying so hard.

[unknown]

lol laura, come on now, you can do better than that.

your insults are repetitive and not even good.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I'm pretty sure there has been several "valid arguments" against the opening post, but I suppose you're just going by what you see as a "valid" reason for not doing what you're saying. That must be one hell of a requirement huh.

Originally Posted by unknown

heres that little mosquito again....and what have you contributed to this post other than negative remarks?

Negative Remarks != Critical Input



I didn't vote in the poll because it is too limited and I don't vote for things just for the sake of getting something new. Trying so hard.

Too Limited my @$$. Nice excuse. Negative remarks aren't critical input, Constructive Criticism is.

Thanks for your unwanted input Dufus and Debbie Downer. Sorry but I haven't seen anything good come out of either of you, you both just instigate.

[contego]

Originally Posted by Rufus

The way you are constantly throwing this around makes me believe you're not really sure what "relevance" is.

Not relevent to the thread, and tbh neither is about half of what unknown and nervNAT has said.

rel·e·vant

a: having significant and demonstrable bearing on the matter at hand

b: affording evidence tending to prove or disprove the matter at issue or under discussion <relevant testimony>

c: having social relevance

It's becoming a bickering battle rather than working to make a positive change with Classic. It's clear we're all passionate about Classic, so let's focus the energy in the right direction.

Again we all agree the HD is the primary issue.

Let's start there.

[unknown]

I agree with contego, I am sick of going back and forth with you 2. It's like you like bickering with us. Please, for the sake of classic, post something that actually has something to really do with this thread.