Zodiac, jailed for the escape button.

sage_scooby · #1 12-06-2007, 08:13 PM

This is outrageous. I've been jailed on Zodiac for 2 hours for pressing the escape button.

"Please, be aware that if you press escape while in a dungeon it'll be logged. If you're in a party the entire party members will be effected aswell, not just you. You'll be punished !" -Zodiac NPC Server

I accidentally hit escape and now I'm stuck.......

There has got to be a better way....

Tom · #2 12-06-2007, 08:16 PM

Ah yea, the almighty xAndrewx added that today lol Did'nt actually know what he meant. Seems a little harsh though lol

Punishment should be so they cannot equipt their weaponry or enter dungeons again for an hour or so.

Crono · #3 12-06-2007, 08:16 PM

Your entire party gets jailed, according to the rules.

So if I'm in a big party I can press esc and get everyone jailed for the hell of it.

sage_scooby · #4 12-06-2007, 08:17 PM

Punishment!?

For what, I pressed the wrong button on my keyboard.....

Horrified · #5 12-06-2007, 09:12 PM

Seriously this sounds so stupid I hope it's suddenly april 1st or something.

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Originally Posted by Gerami

So if I'm in a big party I can press esc and get everyone jailed for the hell of it.

Man let's get a huge party sometime today and then press esc really fast after we mass out "WE'RE JAILING OUR ENTIRE PARTY"

Honestly why the hell jail the entire party? Players conspiring with others to press an esc button GUARANTEED if say someone presses it like sage_scooby by accident and pays the price of 2 hours in "jail"?

sage_scooby · #6 12-06-2007, 09:25 PM

Nope it's real....

Horrified · #7 12-06-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sage_scooby

Nope it's real....

This calls for forming a HUGE PARTY and wrecking lives until I accidentally press escape right?

Honestly they keep this the whole idea of parties are gonna go bye.

Crow · #8 12-06-2007, 09:32 PM

Why jail players that are using a default feature of Graal? Doesnt make sense to me...

Crono · #9 12-06-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow

Why jail players that are using a default feature of Graal? Doesnt make sense to me...

Why jail the entire PARTY?

Cloven · #10 12-06-2007, 10:24 PM

This is just a ridiculously stupid idea. Is there no competently active management or what?

DustyPorViva · #11 12-06-2007, 10:29 PM

I don't play Zodiac, so what's the big deal with the escape button being used?

napo_p2p · #12 12-06-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I don't play Zodiac, so what's the big deal with the escape button being used?

For windows, it goes into the "Do you really want to quit Graal?" screen and I think the client stops accepting packets from the servers when that screen is up.

Zodiac should change the escape button jail thingy ASAP. However, I also think Graal should either get rid of that escape menu, or just make it like linux where the menu is a GUI Control.

DustyPorViva · #13 12-06-2007, 10:44 PM

The party thing is a bit dumb. I can see the reason, but this whole idea just screams abuse. You're putting jailing powers in the hands of players... tut tut.
Either just simply log it and judge for yourself, or keep track of multiple uses of the escape button. Lastly, just bug Stefan... who actually uses that feature?

xAndrewx · #14 12-06-2007, 10:52 PM

well it was added because monsters on Zodiac still attack the player if the player is on the escape button, there's no way to check if the player's in that menu or not.

The people in the party that are jailed must have been in a dungeon for them to be in jail.

It's simple, why would you press esc in the dungeon and then click on cancel? The person that pressed esc is jailed for two hours * amount of times that they've pressed the esc button. The party members are jailed for 30 * amounts THEY HAVE pressed it.

If there was another way, I'd gladly do it. However, there isn't... It's constant abuse.

Novo · #15 12-06-2007, 10:57 PM

=] Moral of the story is.. Don't THINK about leaving Zodiac!

Skyld · #16 12-06-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

well it was added because monsters on Zodiac still attack the player if the player is on the escape button, there's no way to check if the player's in that menu or not.

The people in the party that are jailed must have been in a dungeon for them to be in jail.

It's simple, why would you press esc in the dungeon and then click on cancel? The person that pressed esc is jailed for two hours * amount of times that they've pressed the esc button. The party members are jailed for 30 * amounts THEY HAVE pressed it.

If there was another way, I'd gladly do it. However, there isn't... It's constant abuse.

Just temporarily stunt the player's stats or something when they do it instead. Jailing them is absolutely absurd. :/

DustyPorViva · #17 12-06-2007, 11:01 PM

Well you can check if the Graal Window is in focus, I believe... you can try that(not sure if Graal loses focus when the escape window is open, though).

I still think you should just bug Stefan to remove the feature altogether... it's ancient stuff for any Windows program and no one uses it... and it's obviously causing problems.

Also, have you tried substituting the escape button with something else via Gscript?

cbk1994 · #18 12-06-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

well it was added because monsters on Zodiac still attack the player if the player is on the escape button, there's no way to check if the player's in that menu or not.

The people in the party that are jailed must have been in a dungeon for them to be in jail.

It's simple, why would you press esc in the dungeon and then click on cancel? The person that pressed esc is jailed for two hours * amount of times that they've pressed the esc button. The party members are jailed for 30 * amounts THEY HAVE pressed it.

If there was another way, I'd gladly do it. However, there isn't... It's constant abuse.

Wow ... you implemented that? I thought you had some sense ... That is the absolute STUPIDEST thing I have EVER seen a server do.

You're jailing people TWO HOURS for that? If you know when they hit esc enough to jail them, couldn't you just use that to know whether the player is on the escape menu? Or have it so that once you open escape, the server trys to trigger the client, then once it CAN trigger the client, unset the esc menu var.

Wow, so stupid ...

xAndrewx · #19 12-06-2007, 11:06 PM

lol

I'll make it so you can't enter the dungeons for a period of time.

Just so you're aware.
It only sends the action IF the player presses cancel, that's when it's all done. However, it's been altered now. No jail, just no dungeon for an hour

Crow · #20 12-06-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

Just temporarily stunt the player's stats or something when they do it instead. Jailing them is absolutely absurd. :/

I agree with you...

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Originally Posted by cbkbud

Wow ... you implemented that? I thought you had some sense ... That is the absolute STUPIDEST thing I have EVER seen a server do.

You're jailing people TWO HOURS for that? If you know when they hit esc enough to jail them, couldn't you just use that to know whether the player is on the escape menu? Or have it so that once you open escape, the server trys to trigger the client, then once it CAN trigger the client, unset the esc menu var.

Wow, so stupid ...

...and you. I dont play Zodiac, but this should be removed.

Crono · #21 12-06-2007, 11:22 PM

My problem wasn't jailing people for abuse, my problem was that if I joined a party and some ******* decided to press esc i'd be jailed too. :/

xAndrewx · #22 12-06-2007, 11:27 PM

well, only if you were in a dungeon.

Pimmeh · #23 12-06-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

well, only if you were in a dungeon.

Seriously, what on EARTH did you think? What possible good reason could there be for this function?

Crono · #24 12-06-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

well, only if you were in a dungeon.

No ****? Where else would I typically party?

xAndrewx · #25 12-06-2007, 11:34 PM

it'd stop people from using it.

However, this dungeon thing for 30 minutes is kinda cool, not as fun though

Twinny · #26 12-06-2007, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

it'd stop people from using it.

However, this dungeon thing for 30 minutes is kinda cool, not as fun though

And I was thinking Zodiac may have had the slighest chance of taking off again......stupid decisions like those will kill it off. Damn quickly. I would have just warped the player outside of the dungeon when they did it and add a flag. If it happens alot within a certain period of time, then you could take higher action.

Jailing everyone because someone presses esc was ****house..

Horrified · #27 12-07-2007, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

well, only if you were in a dungeon.

Okay, I'm in a dungeon with my friend, partied. doesn't mean he or she will still accidentally press it.

Honestly, jail your party for one man's mistake? You're probably ruining there self esteem or something when they have 2+ players and they harass the **** out of them because they were in some EPIC FIGHT ran for there mouse and hit esc on the way

Rapidwolve24 · #28 12-07-2007, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

And I was thinking Zodiac may have had the slighest chance of taking off again......stupid decisions like those will kill it off. Damn quickly. I would have just warped the player outside of the dungeon when they did it and add a flag. If it happens alot within a certain period of time, then you could take higher action.

Jailing everyone because someone presses esc was ****house..

He truly is an idiot. I couldn't even believe this when I first read it.

Crono · #29 12-07-2007, 04:01 AM

Ugh, those of you calling Andrew idiots don't even play Zodiac to begin with.

y so mad?

Rapidwolve24 · #30 12-07-2007, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Ugh, those of you calling Andrew idiots don't even play Zodiac to begin with.

y so mad?

The idea of jailing a whole party, not even just the person who pressed the button, but the entire party is ridiculous.

Crono · #31 12-07-2007, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rapidwolve24

The idea of jailing a whole party, not even just the person who pressed the button, but the entire party is ridiculous.

Yeah I know but atleast play the damn server before throwing the actual insults, else you look like a bandwagon nub.

Rapidwolve24 · #32 12-07-2007, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Yeah I know but atleast play the damn server before throwing the actual insults, else you look like a bandwagon nub.

What does playing the server have to do with me not liking the way they handle pressing the escape button? and you act like I haven't played Zodiac before x.x

Tigairius · #33 12-07-2007, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I still think you should just bug Stefan to remove the feature altogether... it's ancient stuff for any Windows program and no one uses it... and it's obviously causing problems.

What feature? Escape button? I use it quite often to quit Graal, really.

DustyPorViva · #34 12-07-2007, 06:06 AM

You're weird, and a minority. Your vote doesn't count.

sage_scooby · #35 12-07-2007, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

I would have just warped the player outside of the dungeon when they did it and add a flag. If it happens alot within a certain period of time, then you could take higher action.

That would have been a good idea. Jailing is not. I press it on accident all the time it's near a common hotkey of mine.

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

What feature? Escape button? I use it quite often to quit Graal, really.

Alt+f4!

xAndrewx · #36 12-07-2007, 09:52 AM

i couldn't really care what any of you think, I've only seen two people that play Zodiac actually post in this thread, the others probably used to work there.

you don't understand why I've done this, i don't accept corruption / abuse, many of you may / may not know, but I couldn't care. If it puts an end to it, so be it. You can have your opinion, that you're entitled to. however, when it comes to insults, you're going over that line. although, none of the insults that have been mentioned are actually insulting me !

from reading most of the posts, many of you don't even know why i did this, alot of you don't even understand how the detection works. i'll let you carry on with your whitty comments ! to be honest with you, i couldn't care less.

if you're to think that i shouldn't be the co-manager of Zodiac, please forward this thread or file a support ticket and address the situation to Bell.

thanks

however, just so you're aware i did try and come to an easier solution
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=77816
although many of you thought that the jailing was a bit to far, i am to disagree! maybe the time was, but that's it

Pimmeh · #37 12-07-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

i couldn't really care what any of you think, I've only seen two people that play Zodiac actually post in this thread, the others probably used to work there.

you don't understand why I've done this, i don't accept corruption / abuse, many of you may / may not know, but I couldn't care. If it puts an end to it, so be it. You can have your opinion, that you're entitled to. however, when it comes to insults, you're going over that line. although, none of the insults that have been mentioned are actually insulting me !

from reading most of the posts, many of you don't even know why i did this, alot of you don't even understand how the detection works. i'll let you carry on with your whitty comments ! to be honest with you, i couldn't care less.

if you're to think that i shouldn't be the co-manager of Zodiac, please forward this thread or file a support ticket and address the situation to Bell.

thanks

however, just so you're aware i did try and come to an easier solution
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=77816
although many of you thought that the jailing was a bit to far, i am to disagree! maybe the time was, but that's it

Ok, so you dont care, could you please explain the reason that you added that? Because I think that you could easily press the X button on top right of your screen to exit, or is that just me? And if you reallyu wanna screw someone over you just end the process with the Ctrl+Alt+del window, same way of leaving a party, innit?

xAndrewx · #38 12-07-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pimmeh

Ok, so you dont care, could you please explain the reason that you added that? Because I think that you could easily press the X button on top right of your screen to exit, or is that just me? And if you reallyu wanna screw someone over you just end the process with the Ctrl+Alt+del window, same way of leaving a party, innit?

this single post proves my previous post. If you don't play Zodiac, go away. If you don't know how the detection works, don't comment !

You're entitled to a comment, but when you don't know the situation or how it works, all that you're doing is making yourself look like an idiot ! gg

DustyPorViva · #39 12-07-2007, 10:11 AM

Quitting isn't the problem at all.
When you press ESC, a little window comes up asking if you really want to quit. While this window is open, basically Graal is 'paused', no packets are sent to the client(according to what was posted earlier). This can cause a few different problems, so he implemented this to stop people from abusing this unforeseen side-effect. It has nothing to do with people quitting Graal.

And Andrew, while some are coming off insulting, this doesn't really invalidate the criticism. Just because it gets the job done doesn't mean it's the best solution, as a scripter you should know this better than anyone. I think a few good ideas have been posted here, maybe some things to think about.

TSAdmin · #40 12-07-2007, 12:15 PM

My biggest issue with it was apparent the other day when I was in a party so I could get money from payout and stuff, but I was in Bad Dream and the person who hit esc was in Lichs or some crap because they were bored or something and wanted easy kills. My issue is the fact that I was in A dungeon, but no the SAME dungeon o.o and I got jailed.