The Decline of Playerworlds - Page 2

smirt362 · #41 08-12-2006, 04:56 AM

Yes I would imagine that shutting down a server that someone has paid for might result in a nasty lawsuit.

MysticX2X · #42 08-12-2006, 06:10 AM

not if graalonline changed their tos lol

Sum41Freeeeek · #43 08-12-2006, 06:16 AM

Then if they do, people won't buy playerworlds and they won't make as much money.

MysticX2X · #44 08-12-2006, 06:19 AM

Some ppl dont even read that ****.

excaliber7388 · #45 08-12-2006, 06:46 AM

Playerworlds rock

Angel_Light · #46 08-12-2006, 07:28 AM

Hey guys when we unviel Niromia we'll have a few big suprises for you. Some thing(s) we are doing I have never seen done on a current/old PW or Classic server. Reason it is taking long is becuase Im 'practically' the only scripter and we are very understaffed.

Andy0687 · #47 08-12-2006, 07:32 AM

I dont get this threads goal.

anyways assume this situation.

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Originally Posted by Situation

You go out and you purchase a Playstation 3 because it is awesome, and you buy a game for it. You have work constantly, and a life you have to live outside your PS3. However Sony has told you, if they come to your house in a month and you have not beaten the game, they will take your game AND your ps3, and you will need to go rebuy it in order to use them again.

How absurd is that?

In the example the ps3 is like the server, and the game is like the servers content, get it?

The reason people dont try to qualify many classic servers is obvious, most people realise that the 100 they spend on a server can be used to buy a copy of the engine graal is using now, and try their own indie project.

KuJi · #48 08-12-2006, 07:50 AM

Topic Rename: The Decline of Graal

googleman · #49 08-12-2006, 11:30 AM

What happened to the golden days, why did they end?

1. Graal became p2p, I mean it was ok to have Graal 2001 be p2p, but then the entire thing became p2p. (I fully understand Stefan living from Graal so don't lecture me about that. I'm not complaining.)
2. Something bad happened to Classic. It started when a *certain someone* decided to put light fx in. But hey I loved the boat system.
3. Unholy Nation went online. I think this here was the biggest golden day killer.

4. Lack of development. Too many servers with too little content. Not enough to keep someone busy for a while. Keeping someone busy however doesn't include making annoying repetitive button pressing jobs to make rupees.

Want to know why everyone plays Unholy Nation? A lot of fun stuff is there. Now to pick on other servers: N-Pulse. It has broken job scripts, and most of those "jobs" require you to press D constantly. Plus nothing is happening. Sure you may be improving little pieces like adding *swordonly into the event center (which would take me a few seconds), but what happened to the new overworld? No news whatsoever. It's why I couldn't stand working there. Management gave you nothing to do. Although I don't know now, Andy is probably doing a better job.

How much money Graal makes depends on how the community makes the game. :/
Know why I loved the server Graal 3000? They constantly put in new stuff like quests.. etc. And we had to find it.

Make it fun and a lot of people will come. For a reward, and equal amount of work must be put in.

So if you want more golden days, stop making useless #gscript servers where you play around, and actually make something for people to enjoy. ^.^

Stefan can't do it all by himself now.

See the thing about Graal right now is that it's a sandbox, a pretty complicated sandbox with little support on how gs2 works. All you have is one confusing wiki explaining GS2 which you can't really play around with unless you buy your own server, but why would you buy your own server if you don't know how GS2 works? Back during 99-00 Graal wasn't really a sandbox, it was tough to make a good server (in a certain way), and to get it up on the list, people just played.

Don't get me wrong though, it was much easier scripting back then, since most of it worked offline, and it didn't take much to understand how it worked online. hide; .. hidelocal; .. etc.

Yen · #50 08-12-2006, 07:43 PM

Well, Zodiac was ready to go Classic two days ago, but the subscription ran out.. We're waiting to see if Unixmad will reactivate the server for us, we really don't want to pay $50 just to go Classic.

It's not all that special right now since we still are, and always will be, working to add new content which hasn't been seen on other servers (namely Maloria and Graal Kingdoms).

Matt · #51 08-12-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Yen

Well, Zodiac was ready to go Classic two days ago, but the subscription ran out.. We're waiting to see if Unixmad will reactivate the server for us, we really don't want to pay $50 just to go Classic.

It's not all that special right now since we still are, and always will be, working to add new content which hasn't been seen on other servers (namely Maloria and Graal Kingdoms).

Good news.

It's Playerworlds like Zodiac, Aeon, and Atrius i think have hope.

bgumeny · #52 08-12-2006, 08:01 PM

Hopefully a few of these promising playerworlds will be released within the next month or so, and we can see a turnaround for GraalOnline.

Crono · #53 08-12-2006, 08:39 PM

This thread is pointless, I doubt unixmad or stefan will comment. And if they do it won't be productive and nothing will happen.

killerogue · #54 08-12-2006, 08:40 PM

What googleman just said about Unholy Nation is a load of crap. There's nothing fun about getting lamed by noobs. O_O

WanDaMan · #55 08-12-2006, 09:01 PM

VS:CONFLICT is pretty much complete; I just need a server / P2P / NAT's and inside levels D:

Draenin · #56 08-12-2006, 09:13 PM

From what Crono has shown me, you do some awesome levels, Wan.

Matt · #57 08-12-2006, 09:35 PM

I thought Wan did Scripting, or i might be mistaking him with Ning. x-x

Anyway, i do agree. There are atleast 5 promising playerworlds, that just need time before their complete.

killerogue · #58 08-13-2006, 12:13 AM

And what do you suppose they are?

googleman · #59 08-13-2006, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

What googleman just said about Unholy Nation is a load of crap. There's nothing fun about getting lamed by noobs. O_O

I don't play UN so I don't know about those noobies. ^.^

I was once on UN 2 years ago when those 2 guys decided to throw rupees everywhere. I ended up with 3 million rupees. ^.^ (During XMas)

The only thing I do know is that they have too many npcs, and that all of the new people to Graal go to Unholy Nation while everyone else hangs out on other servers.

killerogue · #60 08-13-2006, 01:22 AM

Yes. Because it's the most populated and noone likes to examine other servers. UN is noob. Always will be. It was good about 4 years ago. Now it's just irritating. It's dominating the list for no reason and deserves to be shut down.

Angel_Light · #61 08-13-2006, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

Yes. Because it's the most populated and noone likes to examine other servers. UN is noob. Always will be. It was good about 4 years ago. Now it's just irritating. It's dominating the list for no reason and deserves to be shut down.

I agree, I'm not try to bash UN or anything just 'people are sometimes afraid to leave the box'

killerogue · #62 08-13-2006, 01:43 AM

No. I am trying to bash UN. It's lame. There's nothing fun. They constantly try to bring fun things there. Everything "fun" lasts for a week if even that. Then it's boring again. I think they're wasting the talent that is there. Between Firedemon and Skrobo they could make a tileset that fit the name Unholy Nation and some bad*** stuff in there.

Matt · #63 08-13-2006, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

No. I am trying to bash UN. It's lame. There's nothing fun. They constantly try to bring fun things there. Everything "fun" lasts for a week if even that. Then it's boring again. I think they're wasting the talent that is there. Between Firedemon and Skrobo they could make a tileset that fit the name Unholy Nation and some bad*** stuff in there.

If you think it's lame, ignore it, and dont ever logon their again.

Don't bash playerworlds.

Also, most staff are busy with the new overworld and all.

killerogue · #64 08-13-2006, 03:13 AM

:P You're right Matt. Sorry for bashing.

BigNoobie · #65 08-13-2006, 04:02 AM

The main reason you have to pay in order to have a playerworld is, it takes up space on Graal's servers. If they were to shut down servers because there hasn't been any activity in a month, not only would that be a big hassel for global administrators to check every server, it would be a waste of time, and a loss to graal in a whole.
1) People would stop purchasing space to host their playerworlds on.
2) Many people would complain.
3) Taking away someones work for not doing something for a month, would be like having a storage space, you still pay for, and since you don't go there for a month, they just throw all your stuff out and get some new people to rent it out.

Not only do I have to say that what you have said, killerogue, is insane, but it's also incredibly stupid. I have to say, thank god, you or anyone who agrees with you, is not a Playerworld Administration team member. Also, to Yen: I have high doubts unixmad will bring Zodiac back in order to be put on the Classic list, but best of luck. To matt: Atrius hasn't done anything in months, how does that have any hope?

To whoever said the thing about the lawsuits, Graal's Code of Conduct basically has it set up to where you can't sue them. Sorry killerogue, nice thoughts, but most of them wouldn't work out.

killerogue · #66 08-13-2006, 04:07 AM

Did you hear me say, "Not a month. Let's go with James idea and have playerworlds NOT shut down if they don't pass. But maybe cited or something?" Did you see that? No I don't think you did. And the main point of me starting this thread good sir was not to express ideas but to talk about the current state of Graal Onlines community and how it has been constantly since 2k2 been falling at a rate. :P I understand what you're saying. But please notice how I have changed my thoughts according to what people have said.

As well as refer to some earlier posts.

Come on man read things before you post to something I have changed. And actually some of my "ideas" would be put to good use. Such as if a playerworld was to be inspected then they as well if fallen behind could receive help. :O From a global help team? XD

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Originally Posted by killerogue

:P Let's use Koni's ideas and the edited idea of mine by James. Let's say Playerworlds should be inspected and if they don't pass they WONT be shut down. But will be cited or whatever or something. Then use Koni's ideas as well. Would be nice.

Loakey_P2P · #67 08-13-2006, 10:22 AM

well let's look at it like this . if you went to the mall and bought a new pair on nikes . when you left the store you were stoped for jaywalking across the street so they confiscate your shoes and refuse to give them back so you have to go buy another pair . is this fair ? f*** no . when i bought my first server i had no intent to make a classic playerworld . my actual intent was to have a place i could go and learn to script freely without restriction . now being a paying customer i am intitled to this am i not . to do with this server as i see fit under the rules and regulation's placed on it by the graal authority's . which is , no racism , no sexual content , limited violence ect . no where does developemnt status fall into this , as it shouldnt .

or are you gona keep stealing my money just becouse im not doing what you want ? weither or not the server is going to go somewhere shouldnt be anyone's concern but the player who bought it , as long as they arnt just abuseing power's and player's they arnt doing any harm to anyone but expanding their knowldge of graal . franklly , i think you all need to either go start a player world , get a job on a playerworld or just stop playing graal all together . and give up with the money bs , stefan and unixmad arnt on wellfare .

they are aparently do just fine as they have kept graal going for this long and we havent heard them saying graal is in danger of going under . they aparently make enough from this to keep a company going and make a living for themself's . im sure they'd like to have more money but who wouldnt ? to make people buy a server , then take it away from them and make them buy it again is tyrant'ish . not saying stefan and unixmad are as they didnt bring this conversation up or back it .

however sooner or later we are all gona have to get a grip on the fact that we are not the harverd educated buisnessmen and this may just be abit out of our league . so rather then tell people how to do their job let's be thankfull that they have done their job well enough to keep us all eatertained for this long and leave all the decision making up to them . if people want more playerworld's comeing out them they need to start work on server's , help and already existing server get finished or just not worry about it . as making even tighter restriction's arnt gona help more stuff come out any faster . the problem is not quility control . it's the graal developmenter's number . it has been dwindleing and continues to do so . however good intention's you have with this , they arnt comeing out good . what your wanting to do is help server's by making it harder for them to grow . this is not helpfull , its quite the opposite .

killerogue · #68 08-13-2006, 10:41 AM

Once again. Everyone read this. I CHANGED MY POSITION ON THE MATTER. TO NOT HAVE PLAYERWORLDS SHUT DOWN IF THEY DON'T PASS AN INSPECTION.

DarkShadows_Legend · #69 08-13-2006, 11:22 AM

hmm. I don't see how it went from subject A to UN. UN has more content than a few classic playerworlds even if they merged content. and of course the silly lovable noobs. Of course people are going to play there.

Anyways ... on topic.

Why do we see more and more failing playerworlds?
Not many developers.

Why haven't there been any new late additions to Classic? Gold?
Gold - I don't know. Classic - well. Theres tons of reasons, but I blame it on loyalty and 'jerky-substitute-nasty-word-here' renters/managers. Few developers are loyal, and lots of these 'jsnwh' are well bad. Something always goes wrong and they lose their talented staff. Talented staff don't want to develop a playerworld for ******* X to run it and kick them out.

There's a few nice looking private playerworlds. I hope they make it and are worth playing. Not just eyecandy graphics with some button smashing.

What has happened to Graal?
The community's population fell. Less players led to less talent. They need to find ways of drawing in more people.
The old communities was so large that it was never hard to find a developer. There was always some feud going on between player X, Y and Z from so and so's new super elite guild.

Also, its late so I'm sorry if some points are vague or unclear as to what I mean. I agree with Koni with the benefits and the stuff James205 said is like what I was thinking.

I do agree they may be a bit high, but it doesn't change the fact that no playerworlds are even getting to the stage when they can be tested against the criteria.
What exactly is the criteria at the moment?

Spark910 · #70 08-13-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkShadows_Legend

I do agree they may be a bit high, but it doesn't change the fact that no playerworlds are even getting to the stage when they can be tested against the criteria.
What exactly is the criteria at the moment?

You should use quote tags, I nearly skipped your post, but then realised you were quoting in bold.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=51043

Sage_Shadowbane · #71 08-13-2006, 10:07 PM

I personally believe that in order for us to increase the lack of classic playerworlds...that all of graal's developers should come together as team and attempt to finish all servers that have any potential in them, that way we as a community would know that something is getting done for graal. (I know this probably will never happen because of how stubborn most people on graal are, but its a good idea none-the-less).

Sum41Freeeeek · #72 08-13-2006, 11:54 PM

Mange, Hachi, and I (maybe a few others) played old Era a lot, and played current Era
a lot before we became apart of the staff team. We had plenty of ideas that probably
could of brought up the playercount back up, but with the frequent manager changes
this was not possible. Other staff also told Hachi that he couldn't do certain things, but
didn't realize this would help bring the playercount up.

Most of the Staff on Era right now has no damn clue that what they're doing is going
to ruin Era completley. Era is in the ****ter right now.

As for other playerworlds, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure they are dying too.

Thrashsoul3 · #73 08-14-2006, 05:03 AM

Era has no manager.

Sum41Freeeeek · #74 08-15-2006, 07:01 AM

It does, but nobody sticks with it.
Hell, I don't even remember the order in which managers was passed. It's been changed
atleast 10 times since the last reset.

DarkShadows_Legend · #75 08-17-2006, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

You should use quote tags, I nearly skipped your post, but then realised you were quoting in bold.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=51043

My bad, its been a while since I posted in a forum. Well I think those standards are fair, maybe even too easy.

papajchris · #76 08-17-2006, 06:41 AM

All Graal wants is money >.>

Why would they care about a playerworld

Loakey_P2P · #77 08-18-2006, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sage_Shadowbane

I personally believe that in order for us to increase the lack of classic playerworlds...that all of graal's developers should come together as team and attempt to finish all servers that have any potential in them, that way we as a community would know that something is getting done for graal. (I know this probably will never happen because of how stubborn most people on graal are, but its a good idea none-the-less).

this is true . if the few graal developer's were gathered , organized and set on project's for the current un-complete server's they could be finished one day soon . but most of the graal developer's have issue's with one another and most are aragont or big headed and it wont work . it is an idea tho .

Thallen · #78 08-20-2006, 05:30 PM

How's it make you guys feel that you typed and put thought into all of this and no one who has power (Stefan, unixmad) cares or will even read it? LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's how Graal is.

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Who says we don't read this? If you think to improve playerworld quality we just need to stop playerworld hosting then you have a funny view of things. The quality of playerworlds is increasing (remember or Graal3000 or similar?), but it is true that there needs to be more documentation and help.

I'M DOUBTING MR. STEFAN KNORR TYPED THIS.

Admins · #79 08-20-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Thallen

How's it make you guys feel that you typed and put thought into all of this and no one who has power (Stefan, unixmad) cares or will even read it? LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's how Graal is.

Who says we don't read this? If you think to improve playerworld quality we just need to stop playerworld hosting then you have a funny view of things. The quality of playerworlds is increasing (remember or Graal3000 or similar?), but it is true that there needs to be more documentation and help.

Crono · #80 08-20-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

The quality of playerworlds is increasing (remember or Graal3000 or similar?), but it is true that there needs to be more documentation and help.

No it's not. Valikorlia was much better in 2003, Zone had nicer bodies back in 2004 or whenever it was first released, Delteria hasn't changed for the better in years. Zodiac's quality is lower than Babylon when it first came out.

:/