Delteria

[refinoheat2]

Tup they did have an NPC that did that... OR atleast someone did, I was pretty sure Refino told me high Veracity members, Tort and such...

[bumbo]

Originally Posted by refinoheat2

Tup they did have an NPC that did that... OR atleast someone did, I was pretty sure Refino told me high Veracity members, Tort and such...

Acctually here is the lowdown with the NPC in question, as I am a Blood Reaver of the Hunters, and I was an Archon at the time we were on Delteria and left I am privy to the information at hand.

Calani created an NPC -tap that could be placed on anyone at anytime that would log any chat, including toguild information and placed it in the logs folder. Anyone with read access to the log folder could then open these logs and review any and all information that individual who was tapped had either chatted or toguild'd or toall'd. At the time Calani was a PWA, new to the crew and was interested in preserving Delteria as it seemed that Spark and houdini(not a dig at either) were interested in pretty much closing the whole server down. Calani designed this NPC (probably with good intentions in mind) to be able to track any potential hacker messages, etc. This NPC was placed on Zeromus and Refino and thier toguilds were (and as far as I know still are) recorded in a log file. These "Taps" were then mailciously used to harass the hunters as well as inform our enemies at the time (Veracity to name but one) of our plans for attacks and other such maneuvers. This was the final straw for us, as most of you can imagine years of torment from staff and players had taken it's toll on our conciousness.

Previous "abuse" included Tuppers little statues and trees blocking our entrance (Tupper you were the only one I remember by name but I know there were others who did it too.) Antrax liked to warp hunters to different points on the map as well as warp us mysterously to the hell level(not cool, it would do nothing but repeatedly kill you.) Staff and Veracity members blatently recolouring our gfx that members had designed over the years to suit thier needs (if the veracity gh is still up check out those strobe lights as well as the banners, and tell me they were not ripped.) There was the staff who liked to ignore the players and thier wishes (yes I was GP Chief and it led to me quitting) with such comments on RC as "We'll make the server the way we want, the players will just have to deal, we aren't designing this server for the players, I am designing this server for me."

All in all, I personally am glad we left, I loved the server when SP Agent was Server Manager, (no, not when SP was on an extended LOA) Back in the days of Maximus at the Helm, Zega, Cloven, SP, and Tangy Poptart backing him up. These are the days of Delteria I loved, not the times where we were battered and bashed down day in and day out. Not the days when wearing Hunter in your name meant you were automatically a laming, hacking *******. These were the days when you were proud to be a Delterian...But alas these days are gone as are the Hunters, if you want us back, sorry, it isn't going to happen. Hell when Zeromus and I were personally involved in negotiations with Sp Agent for our return the staff did nothing more than digitally spit on us. I don't feel as though Delteria has that spark anymore and I don't feel that the server should be resurected because as we all know it will do nothing more than take a nose dive as it has done so many times before.

I hope this little piece of insight from a high ranking hunter helps you to understand why it is we will never return. If it does not then I appologize for taking up so much of your valuable time.

-Lord Bumbo Hunter, Blood Reaver of the Kiith-Sa Hunter (MHX)

[LilNiglet]

Acctually here is the lowdown with the NPC in question, as I am a Blood Reaver of the Hunters, and I was an Archon at the time we were on Delteria and left I am privy to the information at hand.

Calani created an NPC -tap that could be placed on anyone at anytime that would log any chat, including toguild information and placed it in the logs folder. Anyone with read access to the log folder could then open these logs and review any and all information that individual who was tapped had either chatted or toguild'd or toall'd. At the time Calani was a PWA, new to the crew and was interested in preserving Delteria as it seemed that Spark and houdini(not a dig at either) were interested in pretty much closing the whole server down. Calani designed this NPC (probably with good intentions in mind) to be able to track any potential hacker messages, etc. This NPC was placed on Zeromus and Refino and thier toguilds were (and as far as I know still are) recorded in a log file. These "Taps" were then mailciously used to harass the hunters as well as inform our enemies at the time (Veracity to name but one) of our plans for attacks and other such maneuvers. This was the final straw for us, as most of you can imagine years of torment from staff and players had taken it's toll on our conciousness.

I never saw any such NPC, nor did I ever hear of anyone ever using it. I've asked a few staff members about it, and even asked some of the leaders of guilds at the time. No NPC ever existed, nor could any NPC ever log toalls (they don't ever reach the chatfield). I don't understand all of these references to 'torment,' espically targetted specifically to MHX. The Hunters were undoubtedly the most powerful guild in existence at points in time on Delteria. You had the power to respond to said abuses, and from my experiences and observations, you did so with a vengance. You have no right to say that anyone drove you out of the server. This 'torment,' as you say, is nothing more than schoolyard insults, easily batted away. If you couldn't handle that bit of heat, then you probably were too weak to exist on Delteria.

Previous "abuse" included Tuppers little statues and trees blocking our entrance (Tupper you were the only one I remember by name but I know there were others who did it too.)

I created a table inside your guildhouse, and then removed it. That is all. I have never had any such tree or statue creating NPC.

Antrax liked to warp hunters to different points on the map as well as warp us mysterously to the hell level(not cool, it would do nothing but repeatedly kill you.) Staff and Veracity members blatently recolouring our gfx that members had designed over the years to suit thier needs (if the veracity gh is still up check out those strobe lights as well as the banners, and tell me they were not ripped.)

That was the purpose. In the RP sense of Delteria, after MHX moved out, Veracity took over the building and renovated it to our needs. In fact, the light effect scripts were not even made by a Hunter; the comments in the script say otherwise. We did indeed steal your guildhouse, but only because it was in a state of non-use. Before Tortoise had me take it offline, I had helped him modify it extensively. It had little to no similarity to the MHX guildhouse.

If you can recall, Veracity did not have their distinctive 'Aura' colorings when they came to Delteria initially. The only reason Tortoise ever decided on the color scheme (initially) was to contrast with the stark yellows, reds, and blacks of the Hunter garb. Veracity's purpose in attacking MHX, outside of the roleplaying aspect, was to act as a balancing force. It only made sense that they would recolor your graphics for their own use.

There was the staff who liked to ignore the players and thier wishes (yes I was GP Chief and it led to me quitting) with such comments on RC as "We'll make the server the way we want, the players will just have to deal, we aren't designing this server for the players, I am designing this server for me."

I agree with this. There have been a few arrogant staff members that thankfully are now gone.

All in all, I personally am glad we left, I loved the server when SP Agent was Server Manager, (no, not when SP was on an extended LOA) Back in the days of Maximus at the Helm, Zega, Cloven, SP, and Tangy Poptart backing him up. These are the days of Delteria I loved, not the times where we were battered and bashed down day in and day out. Not the days when wearing Hunter in your name meant you were automatically a laming, hacking *******. These were the days when you were proud to be a Delterian...But alas these days are gone as are the Hunters, if you want us back, sorry, it isn't going to happen. Hell when Zeromus and I were personally involved in negotiations with Sp Agent for our return the staff did nothing more than digitally spit on us. I don't feel as though Delteria has that spark anymore and I don't feel that the server should be resurected because as we all know it will do nothing more than take a nose dive as it has done so many times before.

I hope this little piece of insight from a high ranking hunter helps you to understand why it is we will never return. If it does not then I appologize for taking up so much of your valuable time.

We really don't want nor need you back. Indeed, guilds were a very good source of playercount, and still are. However, just because one guild leaves does not mean another cannot rise. We have several new guilds rising out of the ashes of Veracity and MHX, and with the new overworld\classes, even more people are joining us for a long-term stay. You seem to be placing way too much credit in your own hands. Delteria has had its ups and downs, but MHX is most definitely not the reason for our success. You had a hand in giving us a garunteed 25+ playercount back in the day, but those days are gone.

Wearing Hunter in your name never gave the meaning that you were a lamer\hacker\newbie. It certainly garnered respect from the new players as MHX was, to them, a huge organized guild that appeared to be dominating. It got respect from the other guilds due to their immense power, and from the Staff due to their huge amount of influence in both players and their own staff.

Again, we don't want you back. You make it seem like that we really do want you back, and yet I have seen little to no mention of the guild in the last few weeks. Delteria seems to be carrying on well (even better) without you, even if it is not your fault. I'm sorry to see you so pissed off for such immature and irrelevant reasons, but I suppose that is how it must be.


ANYWAYS, we have begun work on the overworld. I'm busy trying to get the levelgen to cooperate with me, and I'm trying to get a good size for the playerworld. I don't want to make it huge, but too small is also bad. I'm trying to approximate the size of old Delteria, since a few levels will be simply copied and pasted.

[bumbo]

Originally Posted by LilNiglet

I never saw any such NPC, nor did I ever hear of anyone ever using it. I've asked a few staff members about it, and even asked some of the leaders of guilds at the time. No NPC ever existed, nor could any NPC ever log toalls (they don't ever reach the chatfield). I don't understand all of these references to 'torment,' espically targetted specifically to MHX. The Hunters were undoubtedly the most powerful guild in existence at points in time on Delteria. You had the power to respond to said abuses, and from my experiences and observations, you did so with a vengance. You have no right to say that anyone drove you out of the server. This 'torment,' as you say, is nothing more than schoolyard insults, easily batted away. If you couldn't handle that bit of heat, then you probably were too weak to exist on Delteria.

I have it on good authority that the NPC did indeed exist as the former manager was the one who removed it, I mean hell your by-monthly visits probably missed it.

I created a table inside your guildhouse, and then removed it. That is all. I have never had any such tree or statue creating NPC.

As I stated "(Tupper you were the only one I remember by name but I know there were others who did it too.) "

That was the purpose. In the RP sense of Delteria, after MHX moved out, Veracity took over the building and renovated it to our needs. In fact, the light effect scripts were not even made by a Hunter; the comments in the script say otherwise. We did indeed steal your guildhouse, but only because it was in a state of non-use. Before Tortoise had me take it offline, I had helped him modify it extensively. It had little to no similarity to the MHX guildhouse.

If you can recall, Veracity did not have their distinctive 'Aura' colorings when they came to Delteria initially. The only reason Tortoise ever decided on the color scheme (initially) was to contrast with the stark yellows, reds, and blacks of the Hunter garb. Veracity's purpose in attacking MHX, outside of the roleplaying aspect, was to act as a balancing force. It only made sense that they would recolor your graphics for their own use.

The lighting effects were created for us by a friend and a former Hunter, Dema. You want to inform him on Babylon that his NPCs were being used by non-hunters, you go right ahead. And as far as I know theft of gfx is theft of gfx. Under your ideology I should go into the Louvre and steal the Mona Lisa and recolour it to allow me to call it my own.

Anyways, I have made my points and they are valid to those concerned, anyone who wants to play Delteria go for it(providing you are not a hunter because we don't want our info leaked). I am not trying to dissuade anyone but I'll give you fair warning that they have monitored messages before and they can do it again very easily.

-Lord Bumbo Hunter, Blood Reaver of the Kiith-Sa Hunter (MHX)

[RefinoheaT]

I never saw any such NPC, nor did I ever hear of anyone ever using it. I've asked a few staff members about it, and even asked some of the leaders of guilds at the time. No NPC ever existed, nor could any NPC ever log toalls (they don't ever reach the chatfield). I don't understand all of these references to 'torment,' espically targetted specifically to MHX. The Hunters were undoubtedly the most powerful guild in existence at points in time on Delteria. You had the power to respond to said abuses, and from my experiences and observations, you did so with a vengance. You have no right to say that anyone drove you out of the server. This 'torment,' as you say, is nothing more than schoolyard insults, easily batted away. If you couldn't handle that bit of heat, then you probably were too weak to exist on Delteria.

It did exist. It may not have logged toalls and stuff like that, but it existed. I remember the occurance quite clearly. I logged on RC and noticed everything Zeromus saying was being repeated by the NPC Server. When I informed Zeromus about this, Dys put it on me. Now, there were two NPCs, -tap and -tap2. One of them created a log file, and one of them repeated it in RC Chat. Zeromus had both, I only had the repeat into RC Chat one. After Dys put it on me, he removed my rights to set player attributes or to set my own attributes. However, I ended up removing it from myself using a staff NPC.

I created a table inside your guildhouse, and then removed it. That is all. I have never had any such tree or statue creating NPC.

If I recall correctly, you, among other Delterian Staff (ie: Kirby, Jazzy) had an NPC that would lay lamps. I believe that is what Bumbo was referring to.

That was the purpose. In the RP sense of Delteria, after MHX moved out, Veracity took over the building and renovated it to our needs. In fact, the light effect scripts were not even made by a Hunter; the comments in the script say otherwise. We did indeed steal your guildhouse, but only because it was in a state of non-use. Before Tortoise had me take it offline, I had helped him modify it extensively. It had little to no similarity to the MHX guildhouse.

As Bumbo said, Dema made them. He plays on Babylon as "Silent" if you wish to contact him about it. He basically scripted everything in the nexus, at least the one that was on Delteria.

We really don't want nor need you back. Indeed, guilds were a very good source of playercount, and still are. However, just because one guild leaves does not mean another cannot rise. We have several new guilds rising out of the ashes of Veracity and MHX, and with the new overworld\classes, even more people are joining us for a long-term stay. You seem to be placing way too much credit in your own hands. Delteria has had its ups and downs, but MHX is most definitely not the reason for our success. You had a hand in giving us a garunteed 25+ playercount back in the day, but those days are gone.

Maybe you and some other fellow former Veracity members don't want us back, but heh, that's not my position to judge.

Before anyone flames me about what I've posted, it was just meant to help clear up the truth. That's all.

-Refino

[LilNiglet]

Originally Posted by RefinoheaT

It did exist. It may not have logged toalls and stuff like that, but it existed. I remember the occurance quite clearly. I logged on RC and noticed everything Zeromus saying was being repeated by the NPC Server. When I informed Zeromus about this, Dys put it on me. Now, there were two NPCs, -tap and -tap2. One of them created a log file, and one of them repeated it in RC Chat. Zeromus had both, I only had the repeat into RC Chat one. After Dys put it on me, he removed my rights to set player attributes or to set my own attributes. However, I ended up removing it from myself using a staff NPC.

I had no recollection of it, and no NPC exists today. If something like that ever showed up today, it'd be removed without question.

If I recall correctly, you, among other Delterian Staff (ie: Kirby, Jazzy) had an NPC that would lay lamps. I believe that is what Bumbo was referring to.

We do. HOWEVER, I made the NPC after MHX left.

Maybe you and some other fellow former Veracity members don't want us back, but heh, that's not my position to judge.

Little to no Veracity members play anymore. Nobody else even knows what MHX is; most of our players are fairly new.

Originally Posted by Bumbo

I have it on good authority that the NPC did indeed exist as the former manager was the one who removed it, I mean hell your by-monthly visits probably missed it.

If it did, I didn't know about it, and it sure as hell wouldn't have existed long under my knowledge. And I'm on Delteria nearly all the time I can spare, although its only on RC, working on scripts. Please don't assume how long I am on Delteria when you yourself do not log on at all.

The lighting effects were created for us by a friend and a former Hunter, Dema. You want to inform him on Babylon that his NPCs were being used by non-hunters, you go right ahead. And as far as I know theft of gfx is theft of gfx. Under your ideology I should go into the Louvre and steal the Mona Lisa and recolour it to allow me to call it my own.

The Hunter graphics are CERTAINLY NOT Leonardo de Vinci's work, or even approach the quality. The world will not end if we take some graphics, and modify them. They don't even look the same. No graphics of MHX's were ported directly over with a simple color change; they were completely reworked. They simply used them as a template.

Anyways, I have made my points and they are valid to those concerned, anyone who wants to play Delteria go for it(providing you are not a hunter because we don't want our info leaked). I am not trying to dissuade anyone but I'll give you fair warning that they have monitored messages before and they can do it again very easily.

The staff who has 'monitored messages' in the past are long gone, and nobody online is capable of doing any such thing other than myself (and I trust you to assume that I will not do any such thing )

Anyways, Bumbo, I know I am being a hypocrite here, but please stop arguing. These things are in the past and do not matter anymore.

[Mykel]

No one cares about Delteria on the global forums. Make new Delteria forums. Fight there.

[LilNiglet]

Originally Posted by Mykel

No one cares about Delteria on the global forums. Make new Delteria forums. Fight there.

^was thinking this while I was typing it out.

I miss the Delteria forums

[refinoheat2]

Wow... I missed a lot over my small vacation, then internet problems...

Well I will just address the few small things I have knowledge of,

1) Yes the said -tap thing did exist, although I never saw it in action, I was aware of it being there. Although we know how I feel about many of the hunters rules I, like Tupper, would of objected to such action if I was staff at the time. Sadely, I found out about it, after it was to late.

2) bumbo, you said we could do it again, yes we probably could, but like Tupper said, we have gotten ride of most of, if not all of the corrupt staff. Even I have noticed a change in people I used to believe to be some of Delts greatest problems, Dys, meeks. After a warning from globals I haven't seen to much problems conflicting from them, so as for the abuse, it is pretty much gone.

3) I can only hope this new OW does help Delt, giving players something to do besides idle and talk to people :/ But, this will only be a start, we will need to continue getting new things and events that will keep people wanted to play, this OW will help, but we are gonig to need to keep at it, to restore Delt to its glory.

4) Hunters are long gone, there is probably very little chance they will ever return. But again, like tupper said, I was disappointed when I first found out why the hunters would put a ban on a server. I was disappointed that they would leave because of a little -tap thing and some little insults you get here and there. Being the biggest guild out there, of course you are gonig to get insults, get over it, smaller guilds/enemy guild are going to insult you either because they are probably jelous you beat them in war, or something else you did that prooves you are better then them in that certain skill... But running away for a few little insults, thats sad. And that whole, "we were helpless" thing is also some bs. Hunters made up a good portion of the Delterian staff team, it had the ability to object to abuse, and it did at many points. But Zeromus wasn't so bad at abusing himself In the long run, I was amazed that you had such control over your members on a game that they would leave a server they loved just because Zeromus told them to... I found that rather pitiful on thier part, but I did find it amusing at the power you contained to make such an action work.

5) I think what Tup said was true, now that the abusive staff are either fired, or have been convinced to stop and return to actually helping Delteria, we can focus more on working to improve instead of having to deal with retards doing stupid things every 5 minutes.

6) We do need our forums back, they were a great help. I wouldn't even mind getting some paid for ones if I actually thought they would be used. I am not that good at setting up forums but if anyone is and cares to help, let me know. I probably would be willing to get us some nice ones if I believe Delterians would be active on them once again.

Sorry for this long, drawn out post, I also do not mean to start an arguement in anyway, I am just stating what I wistness happen or how I feel on matters being discussed.


Edit: Tupper has LT informed you on his OW...? He doesn't seem to want any help on it, but what he doesn't realize is, if you worked together you could get it done a lot faster instead of making two different ones

[Silent]

Originally Posted by RefinoheaT

As Bumbo said, Dema made them. He plays on Babylon as "Silent" if you wish to contact him about it.

Those fancy light pillars are modified from a script that someone else created (I forget who, sorry).
I don't like them much anyway, they lag my poor little PC

Originally Posted by RefinoheaT

He basically scripted everything in the nexus, at least the one that was on Delteria.

The Babylon nexus (not the current one) was my creation, but the layout (and probably some scripts) were changed for the Delteria one.

[LilNiglet]

Originally Posted by refinoheat2

Edit: Tupper has LT informed you on his OW...? He doesn't seem to want any help on it, but what he doesn't realize is, if you worked together you could get it done a lot faster instead of making two different ones

LT is almost never online, its very annoying. I can't contact him to get his levels or anything.

[refinoheat2]

oic. He is normally only on in the morning, since he is in England I believe. Which is like when you are never on so :/

[ChibiChibiLuc]

Wtf he told me he was from Winnipeg. ;[

[FROboy]

Actually I see him on at night now.. not in the morning or day

[BaronNightmare]

LT is on pretty much all day everyday... I see him Morning, afternoon, evening.. overnight....

and yes he is from Winnepeg......