How do I make items that heal health?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Lance

"Read the rules" is not advice or direction?

Sure, but this is a help thread isn't it? I would just think that more help might be given besides "Read the rules"

Originally Posted by Lance

I should direct you to several posts where you have closed them with "Read the rules."

One has nothing to do with the other, closing threads isn't done to help someone, this forum is

At any rate, I really dont want to argue the issue, I would just like some people to be more helpful, or just not post. Back seat moderating isn't needed.

[Sildae]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Then offer some advice or direction or something, instead of just saying "read the rules"

Search: Key Words: "Read the rules"; ; Posts Made By: Darlene159
How did you ever become moderator? Stephane needs to remove you for being a hopeless hypocrite. Your moderation style is a lot worse and more rude than Kaimetsu's (completely justified and appropriate) post, and combined with this post of yours shows that you really lack any respect you should have for Graalians.

I am sure there are tutorials or something that he could be directed to.

You have never bothered learning scripting. You have never bothered understanding how scripting works, how to learn it and people's mentality about it. You know nothing about it.
Then you come into this forum and make it sound as if it all was about tutorials, downplaying all the effort people have put into scripting over the years.
Why do you not make an announcement, link to the tutorials you are speaking of, and close this forum once and for all to prevent people from trying to sensibly discuss scripting?

I dont see why simple scripts cannot be given

After all the times it has been explained in this forum? Why do you not read the things people write here? I do not think that this forum is the right place for your self-righteous manner.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Sure, but this is a help thread isn't it? I would just think that more help might be given besides "Read the rules"

I have already explained that this appears more to be a request-a-script thread (against the forum rules) than a 'help thread'. Several other competent folks who read the first post seem to agree with me, too.

One has nothing to do with the other

The initial post in this thread was perceived as violating the rules quite similarly to the other posts you have closed and/or edited with the comment 'read the rules'. This thread would, should have been closed had not this other, valid discussion sprouted from it. Kaimetsu's post was as equally 'helpful' as your similar comments were.

closing threads isn't done to help someone

I appreciate your attempt to convince me that something I did not say was not true.

this forum is

You're absolutely correct; this forum is for helping people. It is also for showing off NPCs you have created. It is also for general scripting discussion.

As Kaimetsu has already explained, posting full scripts to answer people's questions about scripting will not help them learn. Providing them with guidance, explanations, and examples of commands will. Spoonfeeding people a full script just doesn't help them.

I would just like some people to be more helpful, or just not post. Back seat moderating isn't needed.

I do not consider such advice from Kaimetsu to be backseat moderating. After all, he has quite a bit of experience with these whole moderating, scripting, and moderating the scripting forum things. His counsel, known to be wise, is appreciated.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Evil_Trunks

..

I suppose you could take that as "Omg Stefan should not post his full code"
I said what my statement implyed was a rhetorical question, I will remember from now on to use my tags [rhetorical] and [/rhetorical] when no direct answer is needed.

However I still do not see how that says that I claimed Stefan broke forum rules, I think it was just taken out of context. If you wanted to pick at all my text for awhile, im sure you could come up with something like

Originally Posted by Someone

Well, first you asked if Stefan should adhire to the rules of posting full code, but really he is just showing scripts he made, but then later you said the rc he posted was a requested code, so clearly you mean to say stefan is breaking the rules

I am not really concerned with how you try to bend it, I did not explicitly say that "Stefan broke NPC forum rules", nor should it have even been implied, thanks for trying though.

Edit:

Originally Posted by ApothiX

You should have either done the heart manipulation clientside, or what my other post suggested, and did a check to see if the player's AP is below fourty.

why? you just say your way is better and leave it at that?

Also I guess I seem to have missed your post where you said I should not have given a full script to someone who would like to learn, I ask again, why?
It seems like the most dominate way for a new person to learn, is by example, giving him a small example to work from seems like it would be ok, who are you to say he will just "copy+paste" the code and never look at it again.

Edit2:

Originally Posted by Evil_Trunks

Since Stefan has posted these scripts/documents, according to you he is breaking the rules.

Are you aware of what a rhetorical question really is?
"according to you he is breaking the rules"
I ask again, please show me where I explicitly state this, and I will stop posting about it.

[Evil_Trunks]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

However I still do not see how that says that I claimed Stefan broke forum rules

I'll break it down.

You said:
"Should Stefan also Adhire to the rules of not posting full scripts, and leave his documents and script to himself?"

You could rephrase your question like this:
"If Stefan followed the rules he would not post his scripts/documents."

That's the same as saying:
"If Stefan posted his scripts/documents he would be breaking the rules."

Since Stefan has posted these scripts/documents, according to you he is breaking the rules.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

So your saying this weaponRC which he posted, contains no example of how to use gscript2 in an item, and by looking at it, it might not give you any hint as to how to do something you want.

That was not it's original intention, I'm sure. Perhaps some people utilized it in that way, but the main intention of posting it was so people wouldn't have to script their own.

Originally Posted by Andy0687

How many times have you tried scripting the new RC?
On the other side of that coin, how many times have people asked "When will the scripted RC be done?"

Actually, the RC code is quite simple. I had a basic-functionality one scripted before Stefan posted this one. Next time you try to say it is impossible, perhaps you should look at the code first.


[EDIT] Didn't read the rest of the posts before I posted this, Evil_Trunks seems to have replied to the quote about Stefan breaking the rules already.[/EDIT]

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

That was not it's original intention, I'm sure. Perhaps some people utilized it in that way, but the main intention of posting it was so people wouldn't have to script their own.

So your saying he posted a full code, not to be a learning experince to people, but just so they would "copy+paste" the code onto their server, and forget about it? Hmm.

Actually, the RC code is quite simple. I had a basic-functionality one scripted before Stefan posted this one.

There is a diffrence between basic-functionality and ready for use.

Next time you try to say it is impossible, perhaps you should look at the code first.

I am almost convinced people like to make things up in order to continue an arugument longer then it should go, where did I say it was impossible to code that? I simply asked how many times you tried coding the whole thing.

[EDIT] Didn't read the rest of the posts before I posted this, Evil_Trunks seems to have replied to the quote about Stefan breaking the rules already.[/EDIT]

Which brings me to the conclusion neither of you have any idea what a rhetorical question is, the issue didnt start as anything about stefan breaking forum rules or anything like that, but for some reason, a statement that was read much too deeply into, was pulled out.

I would like to sum it up diffrently incase you still do not get it, I was simply asking a question which didnt require any real kind of answer. The kid who started this thread needed some help, I gave him his help.

Mabye not many people start threads asking "Stefan help me plz!", but he still gives help, lets say this help were no longer given, people would be putting more effort into figuring something out that Stefan could have assisted them with. I was simply pointing out a diffrent way of looking at the situation, since in both instances, help is given via a code, be this code "Made to show off" or "Made to help" either offers assistance, and either can be copy+pasted just as quickly as the other.

I dont think copy+paste really cares about catagory.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

So your saying he posted a full code, not to be a learning experince to people, but just so they would "copy+paste" the code onto their server, and forget about it? Hmm.

It is a required tool. Not everyone is expected to script one, and having one that Stefan scripted would prevent harmful bugs from coming alive.

Originally Posted by Andy0687

There is a diffrence between basic-functionality and ready for use.

Not really. Something can be a basic version, and you can still use it. When I said basic version, I meant it didn't have some of the fancy features Stefan's had, like the icons for the filebrowser, etc. I still had basic features that would allow me to use the RC efficiently (NPC Editor/FileBrowser/RC Chat)

Originally Posted by Andy0687

I am almost convinced people like to make things up in order to continue an arugument longer then it should go, where did I say it was impossible to code that? I simply asked how many times you tried coding the whole thing.

And by that, it is safe to assume that you meant that I could not do it. Therefor rendering it impossible to me.

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Which brings me to the conclusion neither of you have any idea what a rhetorical question is, the issue didnt start as anything about stefan breaking forum rules or anything like that, but for some reason, a statement that was read much too deeply into, was pulled out.

So, you can reply to one post seriously, then when you realise you are contradicting yourself with your own words, you can call it a rhetorical question?

Originally Posted by Andy0687

I am just saying, Stefan has helped solve a lot of problems by posting his code, I am not criticizing the rule, but bringing it into a diffrent perspective.

I think by that phrase, you deminished any rehetoric that that question you posed had.

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by Stefan

x-x why don't you just answer his question

I don't recall there being a question. This is more of one of those "give me give me give me" type of threads. It would be much too simple to just give away such things, and in which case he would learn nothing, which deduces us to nothing more than his scripting *****s =/ Plus if he wants it, and he isn't willing to learn, he should hire a NAT x.x

[jas988]

Sorry about the off topicness but I can't believe I started all this. anyway... I tried

sethearts full

and

sethearts 3


but I can't do it.

[maximus_asinus]

isn't it:

NPC Code:

---

playerhearts = value;

---

?

[jas988]

I'll trx it later. but thx in advance!

[Kaimetsu]

Man, somebody already gave you a full script. Doesn't your server have any scripters?

[jas988]

not yet. hey, I don't know how to get scripters.

[maximus_asinus]

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