Pwa...

[konidias]

One thing that I wanted to touch on in particular...

The fact that you're globals just opens up so many problems. Because for one, you weren't hired from a majority vote. You were most likely hired by one person. Meaning one person decided to give you power on a global span. Which leads to the problem that there will be people who don't think you are fit for the job, or think you're an imbecile, or whatever... and then that is where conflict usually arises.

There was also the interesting point brought up that if a manager has a problem with a global/pwa, they are sh*t out of luck. I think this is what gets under my skin the most. Say I get into a dispute with a pwa about something... who can I report the pwa to? Nobody. Spark? Psshhh... He's the one who hired the person you're complaining about. It's natural for him to take the side of his own team, before he takes the side of some "whining" playerworld manager. You can't report to Stefan. Even if you somehow magically get in touch with Stefan, it's not very likely that he'll remember or have the time, to discuss the issue with the person you're having a problem with. It just winds up a dead end.

Last but not least, globals are human. Not only are they human, but several of them (which they have displayed in this thread alone) are rather arrogant, have a superiority complex, and are quite stubborn. This type of behavior isn't something that benefits Graal in any way. Yet I think it's the reason I loathe "globals" so much. The whole "if you don't like my decision, go cry about it" aspect, doesn't really appeal to me. At any given time, a PWA can get an attitude, and completely disrespect a playerworld manager, and who ends up looking like the bad guy? Well the manager of course!

Spark isn't going to do anything about his own team's attitude problems, because he tends to have one himself. The last thread that was made about PWA was closed because of all the unprofessional arguing... That's the key word in this entire debate. UNPROFESSIONAL.

I know that Graal isn't as well known as some of the online games out there, and hasn't really jumped into being advertised on TV or in stores or whatever... But I'd still expect professional staff. The game is P2P, people don't pay just to get pushed around by someone half their age. The last thing I need is some 14 year old kid demanding that I do something with my playerworld because he says so. Then when I complain about it, I get shown the door. That's really lovely I'm sure.

I think some of the pwa, and some of the GST have attitude problems they need to work on... and the worst part is that they don't even see the problems. By the way... I skipped reading the 2nd page and stuff, so I might have to come back later and reply to whatever was said there.

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by konidias

The fact that you're globals just opens up so many problems. Because for one, you weren't hired from a majority vote. You were most likely hired by one person. Meaning one person decided to give you power on a global span. Which leads to the problem that there will be people who don't think you are fit for the job, or think you're an imbecile, or whatever... and then that is where conflict usually arises.

You're failing in the aspect of realizing that how would we have a majority vote, and 99% of people are ignorant on a person's qualities and skills, they would go on popularity, that's not very good. Also, if you hate the system so much, I'd be interested in seeing YOUR replacement for global staff huh? Don't dis the system if you don't have a viable alternative. Having Stefan/Unixmad handle things is not a viable alternative, neither is having them hire a bunch of people (who probably have never played the game) to handle things. So let's here it Koni, you want to trash the system, offer us something better please.

There was also the interesting point brought up that if a manager has a problem with a global/pwa, they are sh*t out of luck. I think this is what gets under my skin the most. Say I get into a dispute with a pwa about something... who can I report the pwa to? Nobody. Spark? Psshhh... He's the one who hired the person you're complaining about. It's natural for him to take the side of his own team, before he takes the side of some "whining" playerworld manager. You can't report to Stefan. Even if you somehow magically get in touch with Stefan, it's not very likely that he'll remember or have the time, to discuss the issue with the person you're having a problem with. It just winds up a dead end.

Surprisingly this has come up before. I prefer not to mention names, but it's usually the "lower" globals that deal directly with management and such, and tend to run into problems. I have had some managers come speak to me, and I've gotten mad at a few globals and spoken to Stefan/Spark personally, so yes, things can be done about it.

Last but not least, globals are human. Not only are they human, but several of them (which they have displayed in this thread alone) are rather arrogant, have a superiority complex, and are quite stubborn. This type of behavior isn't something that benefits Graal in any way. Yet I think it's the reason I loathe "globals" so much. The whole "if you don't like my decision, go cry about it" aspect, doesn't really appeal to me. At any given time, a PWA can get an attitude, and completely disrespect a playerworld manager, and who ends up looking like the bad guy? Well the manager of course!

Again, I'd like to see your alternative? Just because a few globals have bad attitudes doesn't mean the whole thing is filth. You must realize each global is different, while we are kind of a "team" in the sense of PWA and GST, but we are each different people and handle things as we see proper. I don't think that any globals actually go around doing things that they feel are not for the best.

I think some of the pwa, and some of the GST have attitude problems they need to work on... and the worst part is that they don't even see the problems. By the way... I skipped reading the 2nd page and stuff, so I might have to come back later and reply to whatever was said there.

You seem to be kind of acting in the manner that you think you could do a better job. As you said, we're only humans, we do what we can, nothing more nothing less. We all volunteer to do this, we don't get compensation. Only a few globals have ever received gold/vip time, and I personally am not one of them. We don't do this for our /perks/ but rather because we'd like to see this game become better. Just because we don't agree with your views on every matter doesn't mean we are wrong. We all do what we can, with what we have. It may not be the best, but it's at least something is it not?

[syltburk]

Can someone answer to my ****ing question or what?

WHAT THE **** HAPPEND TO ANGEL?

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by syltburk

Can someone answer to my ****ing question or what?

WHAT THE **** HAPPEND TO ANGEL?

She had other things to do and quit

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Lance and Projectshifter, you completely misunderstood my post

Incorrect! I merely felt like correcting an egregious error I spotted. However, you certainly did not read and comprehend mine:

My beef is, do the Playerworlds realize that the GST have the authority to do other things above global scripting?

For, if you had, you would understand that 'the GST' do not have such authority, but some of its members do!

Or do they throw a fit when the GST try to go beyond what their jobs are?

And, you would have then applied that knowledge to reach the conclusion: "It is not 'going beyond what their jobs are' if it is independent of their job."

The lower PWA should have the power to help in situations, instead of having to go to GST because they dont have the power to do what they need to do.

Again, you need to stop speaking of these people in a group. Some PWA members have such banning/unbanning/etc powers. New ones, however, do not automatically get all this extra stuff (and they certianly shouldn't) until they have proven themselves trustworthy. I should also note that the PWA does not have to 'go to the GST'. In fact, I cannot think of an example where this has happened to me. I have been approached for advice, for backup, but never because I had some arbitrary rights that others do not.

I dont like the whole "I have more power than you", or "that is my job" either, but if you have GST doing PWA's job, then it can create confusion on the playerworlds.

I have encountered little to none in my experience. People recognize my position as a global administrator and are quite willing to comply.

I am just wondering how many staff have gotten angry with the GST for trying to do the PWA's job, because they do not know that "some" of the GST have the authority to do it.

Why would someone get angry at a group for what some of its members have done? That is fallacious thinking, and quite a bit like the line of thinking that leads to stereotypes, racism, and hate crimes.

*Shrugs*
Just seems to me that the PWA should be able to do their jobs as a whole, instead of the lower PWA having to go to Spark, GST, or higher to get things done.

See above.

I am not trying to bash anyone here, or start an arguement, I am looking at things as a Manager of a PW would look at things. There is enough confusions with changes and this and that now, I would hate for staff on a PW to get in trouble for telling off a GST member, because they dont think GST have the authority to take care of PWA issues.

I do not think it is required to state that you are not trying to bash anyone or start an argument. For example, I am simply clearing up some misconceptions and answering your questions, but I hardly feel it necessary to throw in such a disclaimer. Anyway, in reply to your last comment: It is unwise to just 'tell off' a global staff member. That is just asking for trouble.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by konidias

The fact that you're globals just opens up so many problems. Because for one, you weren't hired from a majority vote. You were most likely hired by one person. Meaning one person decided to give you power on a global span. Which leads to the problem that there will be people who don't think you are fit for the job, or think you're an imbecile, or whatever... and then that is where conflict usually arises.

To make this a point at all, you have to prove that the majority vote is the most wise way to hire people.

Originally Posted by konidias

There was also the interesting point brought up that if a manager has a problem with a global/pwa, they are sh*t out of luck. I think this is what gets under my skin the most. Say I get into a dispute with a pwa about something... who can I report the pwa to? Nobody. Spark? Psshhh... He's the one who hired the person you're complaining about. It's natural for him to take the side of his own team, before he takes the side of some "whining" playerworld manager. You can't report to Stefan. Even if you somehow magically get in touch with Stefan, it's not very likely that he'll remember or have the time, to discuss the issue with the person you're having a problem with. It just winds up a dead end.

It very well might end up a dead end. If you have a dispute, the PWA is probably right.

Originally Posted by konidias

Last but not least, globals are human. Not only are they human, but several of them (which they have displayed in this thread alone) are rather arrogant, have a superiority complex, and are quite stubborn. This type of behavior isn't something that benefits Graal in any way. Yet I think it's the reason I loathe "globals" so much. The whole "if you don't like my decision, go cry about it" aspect, doesn't really appeal to me. At any given time, a PWA can get an attitude, and completely disrespect a playerworld manager, and who ends up looking like the bad guy? Well the manager of course!

That's because the manager knows who he has to obey, but his little ego trip he gets from owning a playerworld deludes him into thinking for awhile that he doesn't.

Originally Posted by konidias

Spark isn't going to do anything about his own team's attitude problems, because he tends to have one himself. The last thread that was made about PWA was closed because of all the unprofessional arguing... That's the key word in this entire debate. UNPROFESSIONAL.

What is unprofessional about arguing? What is unprofessional about the PWA?

Originally Posted by konidias

I know that Graal isn't as well known as some of the online games out there, and hasn't really jumped into being advertised on TV or in stores or whatever... But I'd still expect professional staff. The game is P2P, people don't pay just to get pushed around by someone half their age. The last thing I need is some 14 year old kid demanding that I do something with my playerworld because he says so. Then when I complain about it, I get shown the door. That's really lovely I'm sure.

Which PWA member is 14?
Also, if you can't take the medicine, learn to. We put up with a whole lot of crap from people, and it doesn't help when still more people give us crap to deal with. And what difference does it make if a 14 year old demands it or a 30 year old tech junkie demands it?

Originally Posted by konidias

I think some of the pwa, and some of the GST have attitude problems they need to work on... and the worst part is that they don't even see the problems. By the way... I skipped reading the 2nd page and stuff, so I might have to come back later and reply to whatever was said there.[/COLOR]

Sometimes people make mistakes in judgement, but that hardly constitutes a problem.

[unixmad]

This is just going nowhere !

We have worked very hard to bring preview of Graal3d, finish Zone, start the beta of fairyland and all you find to do is fight against playworld admin !

They are doing a very good job and have all my confidence.