Release date for PlayerWorld hosting

[unixmad]

"That's Life"

That was some world of humor and a internal joke between Stefan and Me, we say that when one of us loose Playing a Console game.

It just mean everyone win or loose a day or another, even if a PlayerWorld is better than another one right now, it can change very quickly, so it's more a sentens to try to take everything with sense of humour than made to hurt anyone.

Originally posted by Soul-Blade


What the hell are you talking about? Over the last years, I have busted my rear trying to make graal better, and the only one who has benefitted is you people. I work on debug, and the only one who benefits of GK. I work on my PW, and the only one who benefits is you people. I sometimes tell my friends I am busy when they want to go out and do something, because I want to get a piece of my work done, and you have the stupidity to say "Thats life"?! What is that supposed to mean? In other words you are saying
Hey EVERYONE! Why don't you PAY ME to make a PROFESSIONAL QUALITY GAME, which I will MAKE MONEY OFF OF...what about you guys? YOU GET TO PAY ME! HORRAY FOR YOU!

Give me a freakin break here, do you actually believe that is fair?! PW managers HAVE NEVER benefitted from doing free work, and to those making great PWs, slave work.
Now you have the nerve to charge them to work?!

No. I won't work. I have already done everything I can offline, that is why I said "Hehe so true" because I made something good offline.

This system needs some serious changes, else this system will loose the most promising PWs graal has to offer.

[Spark910]

Unix Triple Post! =D
Anyhow, guys settle down, as Unix has pointed out it is cheap to play and buy. Its not going to break the bank, heck im sure most of you could get that much in 2-3months, and if you work, within a week. I know you wouldn't normally plan on spending it on graal, but there are many people out there who will arise to this opportunity and pay for one, so one less thats up right now, isn't going to worry graalonline.

And guys, im sure Unix wont mind me saying it, but the plans I was told about from him before were:

Monthly Fee: $19 (Which was the avergae plan, so you would have payed more if you needed more)
SETUP fee: $59 (something like that)

Consider your self lucky, they have gone out of their way to get the costs as low as they can be, but sometimes you need to pay for things, and stop taking a free ride. And what is there to worry about? Those PWs who feel they will MAKE money for graal, develop and finish in about 12-18months, and then surly you would remian in group 1/2 all the time, and maybe even 1 all the time, so you wouldnt have to pay...

[Neoreno]

Originally posted by unixmad
What you say is true for most hobbies, try to manage a football team, you will see how mush reward you will have, not a lot, most people come to you to complain but never come to say they are happy or give a little "thanks".

As Stefan will say, that's life

But anyway, no one has answered my question. Will the official servers have a permanent residence in their respective tab?

[Darlene159]

Gah, I think Moon God and I speak a different language then everyone else

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by unixmad
That's a fair way to open a discussion, it reming me the techniques from trade union people to make everyone go on strike.

"Guys! Your boss make money from you and you are the one that make the real work, go on strike and you will see who make the real work"

About "So many leaving Graal" , some go , some new come and some old one come back, it's the normal life of a community. That's perhaps not the case on Npulse but what is sure is the number of Graal player increase and not decrease.

If you think Graal have a problem because some people put there time for some others then lot of other community have problems including all the open source community, games like Half Life, Quake …

If like you say Graal is a Hobby then reward must not be focused on Money, isn't it?

Ok let me speak for Moon Goddess and myself for a minute, it never has been a focused on money till it has gotten to this point. We may not even care in the increase in money now if all the PWs were put on a equal basis in other words my greatest concern is the lack of the enforcement of Graal rules on all PlayerWorlds. This directly equates to the amount on money we have to pay does it not? It does because most players would rather play a Playerworld where many rules are ignored and not enforced, thus being popular because of this.

This is my gripe Unixmad.The Game has to make money I agree and you must do what you can to keep it that way BUT you cannot reward PlayerWorlds who break rules and stay at the top because of it, and this in effect is what is happening here. This is my problem with the system, not that you need to charge more money but unless you enforce all Graal rules on all PlayerWorlds the system will be in favor of those who choose to ignore some of those rules. Profanity is ramped throughout Graal as well as sexual content in masses on the Game. Now they have resolved on Npulse to putting sexual conversations in Guild messages because we strictly adhere to Graal rules (we are working on solving this issue).

This is something they don't have to do on other PlayerWorlds and do it openly without fear of reprisal. This is why I complain about the money, it now looks like we are paying for supporting those PlayerWorlds who openly and carelessly disregard the Graal rules established, I don't mind supporting the Game but I do mind supporting those who could care less about Graal in this matter. Then is it worth more money to me to support those kinds of PlayerWorlds who rise to the top for disregarding what we all should be following? No it isn't when it is broken down in this way.

I support Graal and the Game but not those who break rules and until the Graal Rules are enforced equally for all it simply is not fair to ask for more money to support those who are at the top for breaking the rules that we on Npulse strictly adhere to and yet suffer for because of it by a lower player count. If you fix this problem you won't hear about money from us because this is the only return from this game we are looking for. Our reward and satisfaction will come from a better Graal by rules being followed; this will be payment enough for us.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
BUT you cannot reward PlayerWorlds who break rules and stay at the top because of it, and this in effect is what is happening here.

the movement of servers from group 3, to group 2 is going to be based on QUALITY!, and NOT player count
lol, meaning your whole argument is pointless... as long as you have a high quality PW, you should be able to get into group 2, even if you have a lower player count... player count only deturmins if you get into group 1... which is the same as group 2, exept that trial accounts can play
=/
your whole argument is that servers with more players will get rewarded... but really servers which are higher quality will be the ones who are getting rewarded...

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Now they have resolved on Npulse to putting sexual conversations in Guild messages because we strictly adhere to Graal rules (we are working on solving this issue).

Oy, yea, i was there, it was my guild. I will say this... as a guild, you become good friends with your members, and we were haivng a discussion about a topic which had some sexual content... but there was just 4 members on at the time, and all 4 were participating, and had no problem with the content (if they did, i would have had them stop)... anyways, we weren't doing it in guild messages to 'hide' or anything... we were doing it there because we were having a talk in a group... anyways, the GP gave us warnings, and we stopped... and as far as i know, there hasn't been a problem since
0.o'
yet 2 days later, moonie felt the need to tell me that unless I (personally) stopped all my guild members from breaking rules in guild messages, she would ban my guild from the server... i do not understand how she expects me to act like a GP, for my whole guild, when i only play about an hour a day, and why should a guild as a whole be held responcible for a few member's actions?

anyways, it happened once, we were warned, and there hasn't been a problem since 0.o' meaning there is no 'issue' to resolve
=/

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by ETD
Stuff

=/

The post was directed to Unixmad not you and I don't really care about your explaintion about the movement from one group to another because it is based on the amount of players playing a PW if you would bother to read Unixmads post.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
The post was directed to Unixmad not you and I don't really care about your explaintion about the movement from one group to another because it is based on the amount of players playing a PW if you would bother to read Unixmads post.

actually, if you would bother reading his post, he says that the PWA will be the ones who pick what servers go from group 3 to group 2, and from group 2 to group 3...

and the PWA will pick those servers based on QUALITY, and NOT their player count
-_-

Originally posted by unixmad
The PlayerWorld Team will decide what server go from the second group to the Third group.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by ETD

actually, if you would bother reading his post, he says that the PWA will be the ones who pick what servers go from group 3 to group 2, and from group 2 to group 3...

and the PWA will pick those servers based on QUALITY, and NOT their player count
-_-

Reeeealy? and I suppose this quote has nothing to do with player count?

The PlayerWorld Team will decide what server go from the second group to the Third group. For the calculation of point it will be based on the 3 servers you play the most, the server you play the most receive 3 points, second 2 points and last 1 point.

Then based on your subscription status we will calculate the real rating:

If you are gold it will be : Number of point X 3
If you are vip it will be: Number of point X 2
If you are Lifetime classic it will be: Number of point X 1

[ETD]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Reeeealy? and I suppose this quote has nothing to do with player count?

that's for if a server goes in group 1, or group 2...

you might want to re-read his post, and try to understand it a little better... because you seem lost

[Spark910]

Originally posted by ETD
and the PWA will pick those servers based on QUALITY, and NOT their player count
-_-

Yes, although playercount will be involved in a decision. More than likely quality and developements along with good communication among staff and players, and probably enforcment of rules will be considered, as just because you have little player count, doesnt mean you arent working your ass off trying to get players..

[konidias]

MoonGod, it's not that these playerworlds are getting more players because they don't follow rules. (well in a sense, yes) But the main reason is because players want to be entertained. The only form of entertainment that is provided, is the form of being able to use profanity and talk about sexual things freely. Which the top playerworlds seem to be providing.

I agree that the rules should be enforced, but I also think that N-Pulse is going to have a low playercount either way. It's not like these high playercount worlds are stealing your players. Even if they didn't exist, nobody would go on N-Pulse. Because your server is boring and old.

I mean, when you can't even attract me to your server at all, it's a pretty sad case. Because I'm up for trying new things, but I went on N-Pulse, and I'm beginning to wonder if the N stands for No. Because your playerworld has "No Pulse". It is dead.

Yes the rules should be enforced, but even if they were, your playerworld would not stay in the top seven in it's current state.

[ETD]

Originally posted by konidias
I went on N-Pulse, and I'm beginning to wonder if the N stands for No. Because your playerworld has "No Pulse". It is dead.

omg that pwns
=O
i didn't even think of that...
lol
your post is harsh... and MG, and Moonie will probably start flaming you for it... but i admire you for having the guts to say it
lol

[Spark910]

Originally posted by konidias
The only form of entertainment that is provided, is the form of being able to use profanity and talk about sexual things freely. Which the top playerworlds seem to be providing.

Era has a swear filter, and most sexual/offensive words are blocked.

[unixmad]

Well it's my fault my message was not very clear...

Movements from group 3 to group 2 and group 2 to group 3 are managed by the Player World team (PWA) and are based on QUALITY and not QUANTITY (number of players).

Rules need to be enforced but there is not so mush abuse, I don't see the problem of 4 friends talking privately about sex if this is a private meeting, the problem is not the same if this is someone broadcasting messages or making sexual harassment.

Originally posted by Milkdude99
The post was directed to Unixmad not you and I don't really care about your explaintion about the movement from one group to another because it is based on the amount of players playing a PW if you would bother to read Unixmads post.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by unixmad
Movements from group 3 to group 2 and group 2 to group 3 are managed by the Player World team (PWA) and are based on QUALITY and not QUANTITY (number of players).

Shouldn’t we also be able to move down from 1 if we feel a certain PW does not deserve 1 months free host, let’s say for abuse, lack of security, illegal material, copying etc. OR be able to place 2-3 out of the 7 in there for things OTHER than playercount? So the lower PWs that are working hard get a break, yet there are still 5 off playercount?

Also that would only work if we had more communication to you and Stefan. At the moment we have, well all but Nem seem to have none, which is an annoyance and hindering our job efficiency.

[Python523]

Originally posted by Spark910

Also that would only work if we had more communication to you and Stefan. At the moment we have, well all but Nem seem to have none, which is an annoyance and hindering our job efficiency.

Introducing the PWA team's problem, lack of communication, a problem that always was, and most likely will continue to be

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Python523


Introducing the PWA team's problem, lack of communication, a problem that always was, and most likely will continue to be

Yeah it seems so =/
But it can be solved so simply, if we had a communication medium that was reliable.

[Nitkizi]

One question that still needs to be answered, Unixmad:

When the beta version of this system is put into effect, will the PWAs have already decided which pws will go into which slot for that day or will it be solely based and the amount of players for that first day?

Secondly, do the current playerworlds have about a month long range to get in the money or they will be shut down or something?

[Nitkizi]

Originally posted by Spark910


Yeah it seems so =/
But it can be solved so simply, if we had a communication medium that was reliable.

Why don't you just set up a mIRC chat to set up meetings and whatever, or just use Nova's Graal Messenger program if it is completed?

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Brett White


Hmm, they have created, email ya know? unixmad responds to every email, unless it's crap.

Not to me he doesnt. Besides he uses ICQ, yet he doesnt respon to my messages, I know he is busy, and he has said recently he not longer uses it for chat or talking much on. But I get IMs almost every day, of people saying:

[ICQ UNIX AND WHOEVER CHAT LOG]
=D

[amonrabr]

Its cool. but I see alot of pws closing cause that =/ its not everybody that can get this money fast

Ps.. Im also testng my "sign" on this message, did you like it? lol X))))

[Nitkizi]

Originally posted by Brett White


Do you mean, a month as in, after the money is due to send it in, or it's shutdown? If so, that's bull****, a month is way too long.

Note the keyword about. You never know though, most people who own playerworlds don't have jobs so it may take them awhile to save up the money.

[Darlene159]

If Npulse has nothing to offer, shut it down,,,plain and simple..it doesnt matter anyway because there are no staff.
I tell you what, we will just let people cuss, and talk about sex...no big deal right?
So when are the rules going to reflect the allowing of such things?
I go by the rules because people have to agree to them when they sign up. Unixmad told me once that there was a 0 tolerance rule against sexual content, and that he was totally against it, now he posts that he sees nothing wrong with it in private? omg, they have chat rooms for that crap. I wont be made to look like a fool anymore because I am trying to adhere to unixmad's wishes, then they get changed on a whim.
Rules are going to be allowed to be broken in order to bring in players, and money....it is all about the money now.
So fine and dandy.
And ETD, you are going to be another PW manager that allows whatever is needed to bring in the players, good for you...I am sure Unixmad and stefan will love you for it.
Konidias, you are right, Npulse is dead (except when we get 50 to 60 players once or twice a week)....not because it is a really bad PW, but because we have no staff, and the people who play there like to sit and talk alot...dont pretend that you know what is going on from going on there once or twice.
Yes, I am mad...I am tired of busting my ass just for people to trash me for following rules so thoroughly, and I am tired of people trashing npulse about not having or doing this or that, but noone wants to contribute anything except their complaints, and I am tired of rules written being changed at a whim, but the typed ones never change, and makes us few that follow the rules look foolish....I guess the people were right who said the rules are put there to protect the owners ass, and for no other reason.
This is what the players see, so there you go

[unixmad]

I reply to all Email message but not all ICQ.

For all other details about Player World hosting i will explain more later.

Originally posted by Spark910


Not to me he doesnt. Besides he uses ICQ, yet he doesnt respon to my messages, I know he is busy, and he has said recently he not longer uses it for chat or talking much on. But I get IMs almost every day, of people saying:

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Darlene159
If Npulse has nothing to offer, shut it down,,,plain and simple..it doesnt matter anyway because there are no staff.
I tell you what, we will just let people cuss, and talk about sex...no big deal right?
So when are the rules going to reflect the allowing of such things?
I go by the rules because people have to agree to them when they sign up. Unixmad told me once that there was a 0 tolerance rule against sexual content, and that he was totally against it, now he posts that he sees nothing wrong with it in private? omg, they have chat rooms for that crap. I wont be made to look like a fool anymore because I am trying to adhere to unixmad's wishes, then they get changed on a whim.
Rules are going to be allowed to be broken in order to bring in players, and money....it is all about the money now.
So fine and dandy.
And ETD, you are going to be another PW manager that allows whatever is needed to bring in the players, good for you...I am sure Unixmad and stefan will love you for it.
Konidias, you are right, Npulse is dead (except when we get 50 to 60 players once or twice a week)....not because it is a really bad PW, but because we have no staff, and the people who play there like to sit and talk alot...dont pretend that you know what is going on from going on there once or twice.
Yes, I am mad...I am tired of busting my ass just for people to trash me for following rules so thoroughly, and I am tired of people trashing npulse about not having or doing this or that, but noone wants to contribute anything except their complaints, and I am tired of rules written being changed at a whim, but the typed ones never change, and makes us few that follow the rules look foolish....I guess the people were right who said the rules are put there to protect the owners ass, and for no other reason.
This is what the players see, so there you go

I think my wife has pretty well summed it up for me so I really don't have anything to add to it. It is Fathers day and I will spend the rest of the day trying to enjoy it and not getting upset by what has just been revealed here by Unixmad and what appears to be a change on rules yet not the written rules. So be it; it is your Game Unixmad and your right to do it.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by unixmad
I reply to all Email message but not all ICQ.

For all other details about Player World hosting i will explain more later.

Well it’s better than nothing. My only real complaint is that some globals have instant real-time communication with those who can aid their job, and we do not. And it seems we have to look over the whole PW community to some extent, yet we do not have real-time communication. I asked Stefan:

You (11/06/2003 15:35:49):

Also there is a BIG communication break between the PWA and you, no contact =/
---
Opposite (11/06/2003 15:39:02):
most admins can contact me on the debug server though

Dont get mad as I am not trying to make you be so, as last time someone complained about communication you replied what else do they want, you home phone, well no I dont, but if we wish to contact Stefan we seem to have to pass messages along a chain of people, and sometimes we only want Stefan or you to see such things... x_X

And I did email you a few days ago, but heres one part that needs doing:

one being Cynical needs to be on player list again

[superb]

UNIXMAD, what is going to hapeen to GRAAL 2000?!?!?!

[Spark910]

Originally posted by superb
UNIXMAD, what is going to hapeen to GRAAL 2000?!?!?!

lol, nothing!
Although its hogging resources, I say get rid of it, then one more can enjoy the free hosting...

[superb]

HOGGING RESOURCES? Are you insane? We are a much more active server than MANY that are on the list.

[G_yoshi]

lol. I guess I need to get in gear again, huh? Trouble is, I'm still lacking a lot of what I need yet. I still don't have a working damage control NPC script(s) for damage between players. I've tried before and the NPC server seems to hate me doing triggeraction with params in it each time back and forth.
If I had something like that working then I could easily put everything else into place such as exp gain and leveling.

I've also tried to find people to assist with levels, but I fail to find anyone that can at least copy what I do. That's really all I need is someone that is quick to learn a person's particular method and go from there and be able to work from given instructions without much complaining.

Still need a person that is skilled in making character sprites. I deem it an essential part considering that I want custom animations for magic and attack skills and for using weapons.

[CheeToS2]

Originally posted by superb
HOGGING RESOURCES? Are you insane? We are a much more active server than MANY that are on the list.

UN had 173 when this was taken

[Spark910]

Originally posted by CheeToS2

UN had 173 when this was taken

Exactly, you are above 3 MAX sometimes that I have seen...

[ETD]

Originally posted by Darlene159
And ETD, you are going to be another PW manager that allows whatever is needed to bring in the players, good for you...I am sure Unixmad and stefan will love you for it.

I am not worried about finding players... as long as i have a quality world, with quality staff, and a good community, i am sure we will have a nice playercount
=)
you seem to have forgotten the 7 months of GP service i did on n-pulse... people thought i was a good, and fair GP, because i know when, and when not to be strict...

if 2 friends are just having fun, and they mean no harm, then why ban them? such as this conversation... who was being harmed here? all involved was fine with it, and it was a private conversation... i'd understand if it was in masses, and people had a problem with it, but we weren't bothering anyone
=)
i understand the warning... but for MG to bring it up like 3 days later, and for you to say you'd ban my guild for that was just too much
0.o'
there's a difference between being fair, and being corrupt.

[Darlene159]

ETD, I'm not going to reply because it has no place in this thread anyway...and it doesnt matter anymore

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by ETD

I am not worried about finding players... as long as i have a quality world, with quality staff, and a good community, i am sure we will have a nice playercount
=)
you seem to have forgotten the 7 months of GP service i did on n-pulse... people thought i was a good, and fair GP, because i know when, and when not to be strict...

if 2 friends are just having fun, and they mean no harm, then why ban them? such as this conversation... who was being harmed here? all involved was fine with it, and it was a private conversation... i'd understand if it was in masses, and people had a problem with it, but we weren't bothering anyone
=)
i understand the warning... but for MG to bring it up like 3 days later, and for you to say you'd ban my guild for that was just too much
0.o'
there's a difference between being fair, and being corrupt.

A quality world is not an instant or a given. Just because you may have fancy graphics does not automattcially make it quality. You still have to work for it. Having sparkly graphics yet a lack-luster world is not quality. Obviously, you're not going to please everyone. Personally, I focus on what I want not what players want. If such a philosophy works for Miyamoto then it certainly can work for me

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by Spark910
You (11/06/2003 15:35:49):

Also there is a BIG communication break between the PWA and you, no contact =/
---
Opposite (11/06/2003 15:39:02):
most admins can contact me on the debug server though

I believe this problem would be resolved if we could get a global right-less RC for communication only. I've been severely hindered in doing my job since my IP range was set to not allow local RCs (for global warpto). What used to take 20 minutes now takes 3 hours, and over 3 hours people come and go from the server and lines of communication get broken. If we had the RC we could get onto debug when we needed to contact stefan and not have to worry about who is online that we can ask to do it for us.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Darlene159
ETD, I'm not going to reply because it has no place in this thread anyway...and it doesnt matter anymore

isn't this a reply? 0.o' and if it has no place here, then why did you bring this up? (well, MG brought up the guild messaging issue first...)

Originally posted by G_yoshi
A quality world is not an instant or a given. Just because you may have fancy graphics does not automattcially make it quality. You still have to work for it. Having sparkly graphics yet a lack-luster world is not quality. Obviously, you're not going to please everyone. Personally, I focus on what I want not what players want. If such a philosophy works for Miyamoto then it certainly can work for me

we have more than flashy graphics =P I have a dedicated staff TEAM... that's the thing about most of these better PWs that have been developed,.... they look awsome, but often, it's just a small group working on it... where-as, we have a large group of 'followers,' if you will, that want this server online, and are willing to do the work to get it there.

I am not trying to please everyone with this PW, and that is why i think we will do well
=)
I would not be slack on the graal rules, because that is not the type of players i am going to try to attract...
I am working on creating a world for oldbies, and more mature players, who want a break from the immature players of most servers, and they want to have fun =) lots of updates, and activitys...

anyways, yea, you're right, i am working for what i want a PW to be like =) and it seems others want the same thing...

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by ETD

isn't this a reply? 0.o' and if it has no place here, then why did you bring this up? (well, MG brought up the guild messaging issue first...)

we have more than flashy graphics =P I have a dedicated staff TEAM... that's the thing about most of these better PWs that have been developed,.... they look awsome, but often, it's just a small group working on it... where-as, we have a large group of 'followers,' if you will, that want this server online, and are willing to do the work to get it there.

I am not trying to please everyone with this PW, and that is why i think we will do well
=)
I would not be slack on the graal rules, because that is not the type of players i am going to try to attract...
I am working on creating a world for oldbies, and more mature players, who want a break from the immature players of most servers, and they want to have fun =) lots of updates, and activitys...

anyways, yea, you're right, i am working for what i want a PW to be like =) and it seems others want the same thing...

A small team is easier to function with rather than a grossly large one. Better communication and no one trying to step on each other in order to have more power; everyone is trying to take care of each other. Again, large teams != quality. Its not how much you have is what you do with what you have. Oldbies? Please, they are long gone

[ETD]

Originally posted by G_yoshi
Oldbies? Please, they are long gone

i still talk to many on AIM, and many have said they would come back if i had my own server
=D
also, communication in my PW project is mostly everyone talks to me, and i talk to everyone
=P
and i am only accepting quality work
=)
anyways, back on topic
0.o'
*tries to remember the topic*
oh yea, PW hosting...
*has nothing more to say at the moment*
=x