Good sirs of the Graal 2001 staff

[TrueHeaT]

Please:
Do not use my Karakaze Troupe levels without my consent or permission. I understand that the levels are property of Graal, but I'm hoping you're all decent, courteous people.

If you were to ask my permission and not act before I give my response, I would possibly give you my permission, if you explained exactly what they're for and I approved.

I'd like you guys to please talk to me about stuff, as I'm a Graal 2001 staff member as well, and I think my creative input is important, especially since you are doing awful things with levels I made.

Thanks.

[Jeff]

If you mean newmain, please don't call it "Graal 2001." I'm afraid that Birdbird stole that name, and his product is currently in the hands of Trevor.

[draygin]

Like in the previous thread. The levels are mine seeing as how I made them. But the Graphics are definatly you. But seeing as how it was given to GBM neither of us has have any say in the matter since it is now Property of Graal Online.

Not to mention the levels have been online since kt was put up aside from 4 outside levels that Lamer stupidly saved over. I'm guessing the graphics have been up as well since all that happened was some one saved over the overworld levels[dumb] when trying to make some museum or something. [/dumb]

[TrueHeaT]

Originally posted by draygin
Like in the previous thread. The levels are mine seeing as how I made them. But the Graphics are definatly you. But seeing as how it was given to GBM neither of us has have any say in the matter since it is now Property of Graal Online.

Not to mention the levels have been online since kt was put up aside from 4 outside levels that Lamer stupidly saved over. I'm guessing the graphics have been up as well since all that happened was some one saved over the overworld levels[dumb] when trying to make some museum or something. [/dumb]

They sure are yours because you made part of one or two or them.
fine, OUR levels.

[draygin]

Originally posted by TrueHeaT


They sure are yours because you made part of one or two or them.
fine, OUR levels.

Part of one or two my ass. There was one and a half levels when I started on it and I finished the rest. Although you added a few things here and there like the cactus on the cave roof and the water in the first cave level. But yes ours works.
adding a few things here and there doesnt make it yours.

[Waltz5]

Originally posted by draygin


Part of one or two my ass. There was one and a half levels when I started on it and I finished the rest. Although you added a few things here and there like the cactus on the cave roof and the water in the first cave level. But yes ours works.
adding a few things here and there doesnt make it yours.

Yes, your works.. but they belong to GBM now. I don't even know what they're doing though .

[draygin]

Yes kyden if you bothered to read every thing you would see that mentioned on several occasions.


Here I took the liberty of reverting the level to before I began working on the project. This was the most complete level. The other level wasnt worth reverting as it would be practically nothing at all. Sadly the tileset doesnt show when doing alt 1 but the change is self evident. I might have left more than was there but I didnt want to short change you on how much of the level you had actually made. I even took time to reverting the sand to your normal one sand tile design. Yea I think this shows how much work I put into all the levels.

[Waltz5]

Originally posted by draygin
Yes kyden if you bothered to read every thing you would see that mentioned on several occasions.

I did bother, I was just reiterating that fact. And because of this, there was no real reason to argue.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Waltz5

I did bother, I was just reiterating that fact. And because of this, there was no real reason to argue.

You're also quoting me when in the post you quoted there is no mention on wether I care or not if its online. My whole post was to as who made the levels not where it should or shouldnt be.

[TrueHeaT]

Okay, fine, I don't have any "proof" and I don't even remember details so I'll drop this, but you had no right to start doing **** with the levels and graphics without me, although that was probably MoBloe's fault. I hate that guy.
The work was at LEAST 50/50

I don't want to argue anymore, we're cool.

[draygin]

Originally posted by TrueHeaT
Okay, fine, I don't have any "proof" and I don't even remember details so I'll drop this, but you had no right to start doing **** with the levels and graphics without me.
The work was at LEAST 50/50

I don't want to argue anymore, we're cool.

Yes work was definatly 50/50 no way I could make such leet graphics. I can make some pretty sharp stick figures though.

[Moblojoe]

Originally posted by TrueHeaT
Okay, fine, I don't have any "proof" and I don't even remember details so I'll drop this, but you had no right to start doing **** with the levels and graphics without me, although that was probably MoBloe's fault. I hate that guy.
The work was at LEAST 50/50

I don't want to argue anymore, we're cool.

Actually I was only planning on uploading them onto the Server but keeping them disconected from the overworld but when Draygin told me he wanted to use them in the Desert Levels I said that's fine because he told me he made them.

Also I was going to upload them to correct Lamer's mistake and try to gain the old kt's members respect by having it as a memorial of some sort.

And it's Moblojoe, kay.

[CheeToS2]

Originally posted by Jeff
If you mean newmain, please don't call it "Graal 2001." I'm afraid that Birdbird stole that name, and his product is currently in the hands of Trevor.

Last I heard, he was changing the name o.o
I could be confuzzled though

[draygin]

Originally posted by Moblojoe


Actually I was only planning on uploading them onto the Server but keeping them disconected from the overworld but when Draygin told me he wanted to use them in the Desert Levels I said that's fine because he told me he made them.

Also I was going to upload them to correct Lamer's mistake and try to gain the old kt's members respect by having it as a memorial of some sort.

And it's Moblojoe, kay.

dude wtf you uploaded the levels to the overworld before I even came back as staff. Dont be trying to shove stuff off on other people. I logged on one day and got summoned to it by you. There was only one level up at the moment and I was like upload the rest of it because it looked stupid having just one level sitting there like that. I talked to Jeff and came back as staff then you had me make some desert levels for it. Because you wanted a desert town with a desert for some RP thing and on that note let me finish my pm that I tried to send to you before you logged off yesterday.
If the rate at which I am making levels displeases you feel free to have me fired at any time. In the times that I've been gone from GBM the only person who has done more work than I have from the time I first quit is myself when I was working on the underground levels. I have a life I will not give up my life to pump out levels all the time. I will continue to work at my liesure. If you feel you can find some one who will give you higher quality work in a shorter time frame than I, then feel free to replace me at any time.. Until then... but out.

and its Madmartigan, kay?

or some abbreviation of Madmartigan not Draygin

Oh yea just remembered. You say we have no right to use stuff you made for GBM. That would be like me saying they had no right to edit any levels I made. These things are to be expected. Now if you had it on another server and we went and put it on GBM I'd be raising hell right along with you.

[Moblojoe]

Originally posted by draygin

dude wtf you uploaded the levels to the overworld before I even came back as staff. Dont be trying to shove stuff off on other people.

Shoving it onto other people? You were the one who removed the trees connecting to the overworld. I was planning just having it there so you could get the levels you wanted so badly =/
Besides When you agreed to help make the Desert kingdom I asked you why are we are keeping it and you never really gave me a clear answer.

Originally posted by draygin

If the rate at which I am making levels displeases you feel free to have me fired at any time. In the times that I've been gone from GBM the only person who has done more work than I have from the time I first quit is myself when I was working on the underground levels. I have a life I will not give up my life to pump out levels all the time. I will continue to work at my liesure. If you feel you can find some one who will give you higher quality work in a shorter time frame than I, then feel free to replace me at any time.. Until then... but out.

I'm still trying to figure out where I said that the rate you are making the levels 'displeases' me o.O
I haven't made any such refferences =/

Originally posted by draygin

and its Madmartigan, kay?

or some abbreviation of Madmartigan not Draygin

Whatever Floats your boat.

Originally posted by draygin

Oh yea just remembered. You say we have no right to use stuff you made for GBM. That would be like me saying they had no right to edit any levels I made. These things are to be expected. Now if you had it on another server and we went and put it on GBM I'd be raising hell right along with you.

I said that they have no authority over what happens to the levels. It's all up to the staff, I mean you can ask the staff "Oh hey can you do so and so" but it still doesn't mean we HAVE to do it just because you made it.

[draygin]

First off let me start with the last paragraph was directed towards Trueheat. (My bad for not specifying)

Second no there where no tree's blocking it from the overworld I did not remove any such trees. You never asked me what I intended to do with the karakaze levels. You said you wanted them for a desert town for part of some RP.

In regards to you not saying my rate displeased you. You are correct you didnt say that. Was in response to comments such as this on a regular basis.

Opposite (4/1/03 2:02:08 PM):

Hey, anything new?

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You (4/1/03 2:02:26 PM):

I'm a day older than yesterday

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Opposite (4/1/03 2:02:58 PM):

Gee golly, that's so wonderful.

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You (4/1/03 2:03:09 PM):

yep

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Opposite (4/1/03 2:03:27 PM):

Finish up any of the Desert?

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You (4/1/03 2:03:35 PM):

nope

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Opposite (4/1/03 2:04:41 PM):

We need to get working on the castle levels soon.

We meaning me and you telling me this numerous times when I'm already well aware of what needs to be done and that I had just finished several levels within a 24 hour time period the day before and I was relaxing before I started the next section phase of the project. This not even delving into my being the only active LAT (seemingly) who is making levels and that there are many projects that need completed such as inside levels for all the current empty buildings. As for how I'm doing I estimate I'll start working on phase 2 this weekend and finish it this weekend. Unless I feel inspired and start early. As you can tell I'm having an annoyed day in which my temper is running a bit short. But hey we all have those days.

[Waltz5]

Originally posted by draygin
This not even delving into my being the only active LAT (seemingly) who is making levels and that there are many projects that need completed such as inside levels for all the current empty buildings.

I've been doing a lot, just not in the past 3 days because I've had a lot of hockey.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Waltz5


I've been doing a lot, just not in the past 3 days because I've had a lot of hockey.

What levels? It's possible I've missed them. If you're referring to Kingdom levels they dont qualify as they fall under kingdoms doing the work themselves. ;x

[Moblojoe]

Originally posted by draygin

Second no there where no tree's blocking it from the overworld I did not remove any such trees. You never asked me what I intended to do with the karakaze levels. You said you wanted them for a desert town for part of some RP.

Well they must have been removed when we uploaded the lower half of the KT levels but I intended it to be blocked off.

Originally posted by draygin

In regards to you not saying my rate displeased you. You are correct you didnt say that. Was in response to comments such as this on a regular basis.

Opposite (4/1/03 2:02:08 PM):

Hey, anything new?

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You (4/1/03 2:02:26 PM):

I'm a day older than yesterday

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Opposite (4/1/03 2:02:58 PM):

Gee golly, that's so wonderful.

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You (4/1/03 2:03:09 PM):

yep

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Opposite (4/1/03 2:03:27 PM):

Finish up any of the Desert?

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You (4/1/03 2:03:35 PM):

nope

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Opposite (4/1/03 2:04:41 PM):

We need to get working on the castle levels soon.

I was just checking up on your progress, I didn't say anywhere in there about how the rate at which you work displeases me -_-
Besides I meant to say that once you finish making the desert itself we need to sit down and plan out the Castle Levels Not saying you need to hurry your ass up and do them =/. Axel and I are coming up with possible Castle Designs so it should give you an idea.

Originally posted by draygin

We meaning me and you telling me this numerous times when I'm already well aware of what needs to be done and that I had just finished several levels within a 24 hour time period the day before and I was relaxing before I started the next section phase of the project.

You act as if what you did was some godsend or something . All you did was delete a bunch of old tiles, put in desert, and decorated it with defualt ambient tiles and old Gfx Trueheat made.

Oh btw i've only asked up on your progress once maybe even twice, Unless you think me checking up on you an annoying, perpetual thing then I'll quit trying to be a concerned KA =/

Originally posted by draygin

This not even delving into my being the only active LAT (seemingly) who is making levels and that there are many projects that need completed such as inside levels for all the current empty buildings.

You have only been back for how long? a week? Hell not even that and you are already acusing the other staff about being inactive?! Hell some of them have been anxious to start working and/or have done so and are just waiting for them to be uploaded. Besides anything else that's not RP isn't my problem, It's Jeffs. (A whole other story there)

Originally posted by draygin

As for how I'm doing I estimate I'll start working on phase 2 this weekend and finish it this weekend. Unless I feel inspired and start early. As you can tell I'm having an annoyed day in which my temper is running a bit short. But hey we all have those days.

Well that's great and I'm happy you're getting things done,
But how you are Doing things and accepting Respect is one thing but Doing things and asking no, DEMANDING respect is a whole other. You think I'm begging you to do this, if I wanted to I could probally find 2,3, maybe 4 other guys to do this for me but Since the whole Desert thing was your's (and/or whoever's) Idea, I think it would be better if you did it because then you would already have a picture in your head of what to get done.

Oh btw what in the hell is your problem? Ever since you've met me you've had this real pissy attitude, If you got something against me it's better you just tell me rather leave it be and let **** build up. Geez you're worse than most of the females I know when they are on the rag =/

[Moblojoe]

Originally posted by draygin


What levels? It's possible I've missed them. If you're referring to Kingdom levels they dont qualify as they fall under kingdoms doing the work themselves. ;x

How would that not qualify?? Is there certain classifications to the levels you upload now? So uploading a "Kingdom" Level wouldn't have any affect on wether he's active or not?
Hmm.. Interesting. :o

[draygin]

Originally posted by Moblojoe

How would that not qualify?? Is there certain classifications to the levels you upload now? So uploading a "Kingdom" Level wouldn't have any affect on wether he's active or not?
Hmm.. Interesting. :o

Kingdom levels are the job of the kingdoms. Not the Lat's so yes it does not qualify as part of his job since the levels being made are required by the kingdom itself and as previously stated the Lat. I've talked with Kayden and we're working some stuff out.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Moblojoe
I was just checking up on your progress, I didn't say anywhere in there about how the rate at which you work displeases me -_-
Besides I meant to say that once you finish making the desert itself we need to sit down and plan out the Castle Levels Not saying you need to hurry your ass up and do them =/. Axel and I are coming up with possible Castle Designs so it should give you an idea.

No you just constantly pestered me over aim every single day telling me I need to get to work or to work on it etc.. Until after this post was made. now its nice and quiet.

You act as if what you did was some godsend or something . All you did was delete a bunch of old tiles, put in desert, and decorated it with defualt ambient tiles and old Gfx Trueheat made.

No I am not acting like a Godsend. I am merely showing at the lack of output of levels the only changes in levels that is the LAT's job was when bomboria was made into snow.
LOL all I did was use some default tiles some graphics and some lights. lmao you just classified almost every level ever made by any one. If you're saying I use predefined objects I would like to see where at as everything I do is hand tiled. Which when you come to a desert is alot of work because I do it in layers. I had the first tile layer (simple) then I go with the next desert tile add it so forth and so on.

Oh btw i've only asked up on your progress once maybe even twice, Unless you think me checking up on you an annoying, perpetual thing then I'll quit trying to be a concerned KA =/

It's been more than once or twice. Let's make it simple dont message me on aim unless its important. Only person I really care to have message me is Jeff. Thank you if its been 1 week since any progress has been shown or I've given no release date feel free to check up.

You have only been back for how long? a week? Hell not even that and you are already acusing the other staff about being inactive?! Hell some of them have been anxious to start working and/or have done so and are just waiting for them to be uploaded. Besides anything else that's not RP isn't my problem, It's Jeffs. (A whole other story there)

No I'm not accusing staff of being inactive. Just LAT's which after talking to them seems many of them have been waiting for some one to give them jobs. Such as making inside levels for all the empty buildings. When I've been gone for a month and come back and almost everything is how I left it (tile wise) then yes I feel I have the right to be annoyed. Yes anything none level making wise is none of your concern. I was under the impression your job was to manage the kingdoms. If I where you I would be more concerned of getting kingdoms active. The best way to do that is to get a handful of people and have some awesome RP's others log on and want to join. Playercount slowly rises not live in the fantasy world of once we go classic it will change. The reality is now. We are p2p we need to think p2p until anything else happens with classic its a myth doesnt exist and needs to be treated as such.

Well that's great and I'm happy you're getting things done,
But how you are Doing things and accepting Respect is one thing but Doing things and asking no, DEMANDING respect is a whole other. You think I'm begging you to do this, if I wanted to I could probally find 2,3, maybe 4 other guys to do this for me but Since the whole Desert thing was your's (and/or whoever's) Idea, I think it would be better if you did it because then you would already have a picture in your head of what to get done.

I dont want nor do I care for respsect. You can hate me and think I'm the stupidest peace of crap and I'll still be in every ones face all the same. Because if I see something I dont agree with you better believe you're going to hear about it. As I originally said before if you can find some one to make the levels feel free at any time to replace me I can think of alot of other things I could be working on. Desert was never my idea I just worked on it in the past. I have no attachment to it. One persons image is just as good as another. With the limited tiles there isnt very many ways a desert can be done.

Oh btw what in the hell is your problem? Ever since you've met me you've had this real pissy attitude, If you got something against me it's better you just tell me rather leave it be and let **** build up. Geez you're worse than most of the females I know when they are on the rag =/ [/B]

This paragraph is rather sad. I'm almost tempted to just ignore it. I'm sorry you're taking this personally. I have no problems with you if at any time I have with something you've said or done I have I've made it quite clear in my previous posts. I'm not pissy or even angry. The only emotion you're feeling is your own as all I have here are words and you put what emotions to them you want. If any I am feeling anything that I might describe as negative it would be perhaps some minor annoyance. Ok I think that finishes it.

[Moblojoe]

Originally posted by draygin

No you just constantly pestered me over aim every single day telling me I need to get to work or to work on it etc.. Until after this post was made. now its nice and quiet.

Okay that is a gigantic load of Bull ****, I've asked you once on Graal and Talked to you ABOUT it twice on Aim. When I mean About it, it was like how you are gonna make these levels not how much longer till your done.

Originally posted by draygin

No I am not acting like a Godsend. I am merely showing at the lack of output of levels the only changes in levels that is the LAT's job was when bomboria was made into snow.

The fact that we only have 1 or 2 Sub-active lats may be the problem. I mean I have a few Tilers that help me with a few of the Kingdom levels, actually I have a zip file of levels ready to be uploaded. (The Majority of the unconected levels of Inra Castle)

Originally posted by draygin

LOL all I did was use some default tiles some graphics and some lights. lmao you just classified almost every level ever made by any one. If you're saying I use predefined objects I would like to see where at as everything I do is hand tiled. Which when you come to a desert is alot of work because I do it in layers. I had the first tile layer (simple) then I go with the next desert tile add it so forth and so on.

Actually Smart ass I meant that all you did was delete everything, slapped on a desert over it all, and added the 2 or 3 other desert themed ambient tiles for decoration.

Originally posted by draygin

It's been more than once or twice. Let's make it simple dont message me on aim unless its important. Only person I really care to have message me is Jeff. Thank you if its been 1 week since any progress has been shown or I've given no release date feel free to check up.

Refer to my first response.

Originally posted by draygin

No I'm not accusing staff of being inactive. Just LAT's which after talking to them seems many of them have been waiting for some one to give them jobs. Such as making inside levels for all the empty buildings. When I've been gone for a month and come back and almost everything is how I left it (tile wise) then yes I feel I have the right to be annoyed.

"This not even delving into my being the only active LAT (seemingly) "
Uhh then explain this, Please.
(Btw Lat's ARE staff, =/)

Originally posted by draygin

Yes anything none level making wise is none of your concern.

Thanks for stating the obvious.

Originally posted by draygin

I was under the impression your job was to manage the kingdoms.

Then why do you keep complaining about how Lat's are inactive in this discussion??

Originally posted by draygin

If I where you I would be more concerned of getting kingdoms active. The best way to do that is to get a handful of people and have some awesome RP's others log on and want to join. Playercount slowly rises not live in the fantasy world of once we go classic it will change. The reality is now. We are p2p we need to think p2p until anything else happens with classic its a myth doesnt exist and needs to be treated as such.

Well you know theres many different Factors that cause plans like those to not work. For one, I need a decent System going to maintain stability and new elements to spark Roleplay other than just putting them there and telling them to. I mean c'mon what else is there to do that's actually Fun right now?

Originally posted by draygin

I dont want nor do I care for respsect.

Then quit posting **** about how you are the only active lat and how I should be glad you are even doing this for me =/

Originally posted by draygin

You can hate me and think I'm the stupidest peace of crap and I'll still be in every ones face all the same. Because if I see something I dont agree with you better believe you're going to hear about it.

Mmm'kay Shacreamsha, You Go girl.

Originally posted by draygin

As I originally said before if you can find some one to make the levels feel free at any time to replace me I can think of alot of other things I could be working on. Desert was never my idea I just worked on it in the past. I have no attachment to it. One persons image is just as good as another. With the limited tiles there isnt very many ways a desert can be done.

That's great and if I do find someone else I'd be more than happy to replace you.

Originally posted by draygin

This paragraph is rather sad. I'm almost tempted to just ignore it. I'm sorry you're taking this personally. I have no problems with you if at any time I have with something you've said or done I have I've made it quite clear in my previous posts. I'm not pissy or even angry. The only emotion you're feeling is your own as all I have here are words and you put what emotions to them you want. If any I am feeling anything that I might describe as negative it would be perhaps some minor annoyance. Ok I think that finishes it.

How is it sad? I'm not taking it personally, I could honestly care less wether or not we get along casually Just that if we are going to be in the same work enviroment I thought it would be better if we set our differences aside.

[Googi]

Both of you seem to pretty much agree that the 2K1 staff needs to be improved

[Moblojoe]

Originally posted by Googi
Both of you seem to pretty much agree that the 2K1 staff needs to be improved

And we need a Manager that can handle issues like these -_-

[Googi]

Originally posted by Moblojoe
And we need a Manager that can handle issues like these -_-

You already know that Jeff isn't going to resign. You'll have to find another solution

[Moblojoe]

Originally posted by Googi


You already know that Jeff isn't going to resign. You'll have to find another solution

I don't mean it that way, just that Jeff needs to realize what needs to be done.

[-Axel-]

Originally posted by Moblojoe

Mmm'kay Shacreamsha, You Go girl.

Ahahaha.

:grin:

[draygin]

Originally posted by Moblojoe
blah blah blah

Ok last post on the matter no sense kicking a dead dog.

Please show me where I said you should be happy I'm working for you. Please show me where I asked for respect because I am working for you. All I've said is feel free to replace me at any time.

In response to the LAT remarks. That was in me mentioning that there is loads of things that I could do as opposed to working on your desert. Let's make this easy you find some one else to do your pet projects and in the mean time I'm going to go do more important things such as make insides for all the empty levels. There problem solved no need to talk about it anymore.

You said you're not taking it personally but you continually throw in half assed insults. You need to figure it out either you're taking it personally or you're not but if you arnt then why result to insults.

Anything else I might have missed wasnt worth responding to.