Something new

[Zickle]

A graal2002 level! Better then that last one cuse this one has 3d terrian! Check it out.

[Acererak]

did you make that?

[Zickle]

Yes it was really easy too.

[Waltz5]

Originally posted by Zickle
Yes it was really easy too.

Kingdoms levels have simple detailing, they should be easy. The houses are NPC's, the lights, etc. The only thing is the actual ground.

[Zickle]

Originally posted by Waltz5

Kingdoms levels have simple detailing, they should be easy. The houses are NPC's, the lights, etc. The only thing is the actual ground.

Yes its easy becuse the way that Stefan made it. I wish it was made different so itd be east sometimes.

[draygin]

The level isnt that good. The lamps are more of a castle style where as you are using straw huts. If they could make stone lamps dont you think they would have stone houses as well? The pot of boiling water doesnt make any sense. Would be better if it was away from the house a bit with a fire. The leading to the house on the right is to straight on the right side of it. Other npc's look hastily slapped together with out much thought. I would put more thought into what you're placing and where to give it all a smooth over all appearance so it looks natural like its supposed to be together rather than odd objects that dont fit in with any particular color theme or coordination.

[Spark910]

Want to amaze us, and be cool? Make your own 3d Terrain Tileset then chuck a level together with it, that would be cool.

[Zickle]

Originally posted by draygin
The pot of boiling water doesnt make any sense.

Well on Graal Kingdoms you carey around that big pot and that makes less sense then that.

Originally posted by Spark910
Want to amaze us, and be cool? Make your own 3d Terrain Tileset then chuck a level together with it, that would be cool.

Okay Ill work on it.

But you all have to admit it is different from the other levels I've seen.

[Birdbird_0]

I made:

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and this one:

(found these in an old folder I made for backgrounds..)
these were made before the main island was released.

Like. alpha vertion or somthing.. I later stoped working on 2k2 because of the stat system.

[Birdbird_0]

this is one of the backgrounds I was talking about.

[Birdbird_0]

/end showoff

[magicbud3344]

bird am cool :}

[Zickle]

Yes yes but see Bird Bird the difference is you was told how I did this with no acess to Graal forums or Graal Kingdoms. ( I still like your levels )

[Birdbird_0]

all it is, is ineditor gmap edidting (you see a yellowish grid to control hights)

and image placement.

2k2 levels (outside, and inside too)

are mainly just Image placement.
Talent is having a good eye and compisitional skils

[Acererak]

heh, fun stuff

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and

[Zickle]

Hey um Kramer that looks nice but the house is all dented. Help me relize how that is? Thats why 2002 uses npc houses.

[draygin]

So because something in a game doesnt make sense that makes it ok for your own work not to make sense?

Birdbird is a great level maker. If you look all of his levels have themes general color scheme's not a clash of bright then dark colors but colors all in the same general area. He also does his best to make things look natural. Like if you where walking down a road and saw something it wouldnt stand out as ackward in where it was.

To be a truly great level maker you have to see these things. You have to be able to see it in 3d as if it was real how it would look all angles matching etc.. technology all in the same time period. Not a guy pulling a cart with a cyborg dog walking next to him etc.. It's part of what seperates the masters from the Amateurs.

I'm not trying to knock on your levels. I'm trying to help you increase your skills.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Zickle
Hey um Kramer that looks nice but the house is all dented. Help me relize how that is? Thats why 2002 uses npc houses.

I bet you could actually use a 2d tile set with a 3d terrain. Provided you made sure the gmap was all at the same elevation where you had buildings. It would be difficult but I would think possibly. Would be quite interesting to see.

[Birdbird_0]

Originally posted by draygin


I bet you could actually use a 2d tile set with a 3d terrain. Provided you made sure the gmap was all at the same elevation where you had buildings. It would be difficult but I would think possibly. Would be quite interesting to see.

I was actualy thinking about doing that a while ago with the tileset.

Using the ground tiles and editing them slightly to go good with the gmap levels.

And using the normal tileset to create 2d objects to be placed as npc images.

But too much work k.


its all about the composition of the level.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Birdbird_0


I was actualy thinking about doing that a while ago with the tileset.

Using the ground tiles and editing them slightly to go good with the gmap levels.

And using the normal tileset to create 2d objects to be placed as npc images.

But too much work k.


its all about the composition of the level.

I agree way to much work but it would be interesting to see.

Yes composition of the level. Thats what I said only I rambled on alot in saying it.

[Zickle]

Originally posted by draygin


I bet you could actually use a 2d tile set with a 3d terrain. Provided you made sure the gmap was all at the same elevation where you had buildings. It would be difficult but I would think possibly. Would be quite interesting to see.

Umm 2d inviroument on 3d terrian = Graal Kingdoms.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Zickle
Umm 2d inviroument on 3d terrian = Graal Kingdoms.

Ok let me simplify what I was saying to make it easier for you to understand. pics1.png using a 3d terrain. I was explaining how it would be possible. kingdoms doesnt use a 2d tile set. The whole tile set is designed to be 3d Example all buildings are actually NPC's. With the idea I was explainng you would use tiles for houses and not npcs. Understand what I was saying now?

[Acererak]

lol, that level was me just playing around with gmaps, finally got the hang of it, wasn't trying to make it realistic.