All you people with Online Pws etc. - Page 2

HEALER101 · #41 10-08-2002, 02:52 AM

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Originally posted by G_yoshi

Please get this through your thick head:

Anarchy = Bad. If there are no rules, then people run amok and cause trouble. This game is not ultimately about expressing your angst and assorted feelings towards authority. Its about creating a world or worlds where players can interact with one another in both positive and negative ways. Yes, troublemakers will never be removed...sometimes, I think. But that can be a good thing for testing the bonds of a community. I really do wish Graal was more mainstream, but until things get organized and rules with unavoidable consequences are put in place, this game will be nothing more than a pile of garbage that its players keep dumping more onto because of thier selfishness and greed.

I've made my PW because I want to share my ideas in an unobstructed way...or at least I am trying to do that. I'm not in it for the power or the RC...those are tools I use to build my current dream. I think too many people want thier own server where they can be excused from the rules of other servers or just to have access to the power to torment others. This would attribute to why its so hard to find good staff.

plz dont pwn me, i was expressing my feelings, ok? and i have a right to do that, but many old delterian's do not like the way del is going, and many wud love to play old del, so dont yell at me for having an opinion, especially after i supported yours, k?

G_yoshi · #42 10-08-2002, 03:10 AM

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Originally posted by HEALER101
plz dont pwn me, i was expressing my feelings, ok? and i have a right to do that, but many old delterian's do not like the way del is going, and many wud love to play old del, so dont yell at me for having an opinion, especially after i supported yours, k?

Um, I'd already been busy quoting and replying to your previous thread before I saw your comment. As for have the right to express yourself...last I knew, France does not have such a law...I could be wrong, though.

We as humans will always disagree with each others opinions. Its just how we are

No rules sounds nice but its not necessarily a good thing. You must have structure if you're going to build anything.

HEALER101 · #43 10-08-2002, 03:19 AM

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Originally posted by G_yoshi

Um, I'd already been busy quoting and replying to your previous thread before I saw your comment. As for have the right to express yourself...last I knew, France does not have such a law...I could be wrong, though.

We as humans will always disagree with each others opinions. Its just how we are No rules sounds nice but its not necessarily a good thing. You must have structure if you're going to build anything.

yes, i guess i agree, and i think you are doing a fantastic job with your server, it, in my opinion is the best looking server out there, and obviously the most underrated. You, in my point of view are close, if not the best developer i have ever seen, keep up tha good work...

Legondary_MyTH · #44 10-08-2002, 04:03 AM

Inactive servers should be gone...DK seems very good though and it actually has potential.All those other servers with 5 players on at max a days hould be gone and make room for better servers

XxxxneosoftxxxX · #45 10-08-2002, 04:13 AM

Yes, there are some playerworlds that need to be taken down. I remember old delteria. That place was cool but filled with so much crap it wasn't funny. The "hooters" place was a nice touch but its also copyrighted. I really like how Delteria is now. The levels are cool. The whole "apartment" style look is great. That Galabia (sp?) is just messed up. It was released then went private. wtf? Thats not fair. There might be a few other servers like that but they get to stay up when another new server could take its place and get more players. I think there are too many servers online to start with. The players are all spread out. Less servers mean more people on the others.

Lyndzey · #46 10-08-2002, 04:14 AM

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Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD
Don't touch UN. UN is where 1/5th of the graal population goes. It is the place to PK and spar. It's better than Classic in those respects. Don't touch it. If you want to criticize it, fine. If you want to criticize the people there, fine. But it does it's job. It brings the player population in.

And if you want to complain about "gfs and bfs" you should look no further than Classic. I've played it and not only are a great deal of people there profoundly stupid and gullible, but they also look for 'g/fs" and "b/fs". I played classic for about a year before UN came out, and I would take UN over classic any day. Classic is an okay server, but the lag sucks.

UN lags more for me. That whole pointless rain things causes Graal to screw up for me.

UN is great for sparring! During spar events, hearts are not even evened out like Classic spar events. Classic has many different PKing areas and make it perfect.

I don't really like UN, and that's because most of the staff are really immature. Too immature to even allow me to come on RC once in a while to help a few people.

Torankusu · #47 10-08-2002, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by XxxxneosoftxxxX
That Galabia (sp?) is just messed up. It was released then went private. wtf? Thats not fair. There might be a few other servers like that but they get to stay up when another new server could take its place and get more players. I think there are too many servers online to start with. The players are all spread out. Less servers mean more people on the others.

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Galbadia was already private, it was released, it was laggy, then it went back to private.

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #48 10-08-2002, 04:36 AM

Stefan said he is going to do something about galbaldia. It's rediculous how it gets online then goes private.

By the time they do the overworld again, the standards will rise and galbaldia's overworld will become crap once again.

That's exactly what happened with Gaia. It was admitted in Janurary because it has "good scripts" and now it's released, 9 months later, yeah, so what? The scripts are decent at best.

XxxxneosoftxxxX · #49 10-08-2002, 05:10 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
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Galbadia was already private, it was released, it was laggy, then it went back to private.

I know it was private then released then went to private again to be fixed. Then when it came back it was open. Now its just a few levels and only staff can access them. Thats what I meant by "private." It like sends you to another playerworld when you log on.

James · #50 10-08-2002, 07:13 AM

I say just remove all of the playerworlds besides Classic. I bet you are thinking "Now that's a stupid idea, why would you do that?"

Well, basically, because the standards for submitting playerworlds should be MUCH MUCH higher. The ones that are online are a disgrace. I bet someone could create 1-2 levels full of fun things to do and it could be more popular than most of the current servers.

Also you should not be able to remake a current playerworld without it being passed and/or approved by the PW Administration.

If you people just take your time and think of the players we wouldn't have all of these dull and boring playerworlds.

zell12 · #51 10-08-2002, 08:03 AM

The PWs are playermade Servers. Why do they have to be perfect?

freddyfox · #52 10-08-2002, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
The PWs are playermade Servers. Why do they have to be perfect?

Now that Graal has gone entirely P2P, the standard of quality HAS to be raised. We can't accept crap anymore.

James · #53 10-08-2002, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by freddyfox

Now that Graal has gone entirely P2P, the standard of quality HAS to be raised. We can't accept crap anymore.

In which 85% ARE crap.

SavantMiles · #54 10-08-2002, 09:08 AM

So many people like to bash on UnHoly Nation, when they dont even take the time to look around the server or stay there for a couple days. Now im LAT Admin there, and ill admit the levels are bad, but i have done what i can to change that. I had my lats redo some of the towns, some pathways and even start adding a coast to Un. Now, i plan to redo the levels slowly, why? because strangely enough the players on Un like the levels. Now we do have some nats working on things like new jobs and games(mantas making the games hes the manager for all you people that dont know). I myself have taking interest in how people say Un is all spar and pking, yet there are people there that try to roleplay( scary enough), so ive been busy working with some others on a new project for Un. About staff rudeness, yes many are rude, i keep my lats in line but i cannot say the same for the rest of the staff. I find the Weather system annoying myself, but as for progress Un is progressing, but slowly.

albus777 · #55 10-08-2002, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by James
I say just remove all of the playerworlds besides Classic. I bet you are thinking "Now that's a stupid idea, why would you do that?"

Well, basically, because the standards for submitting playerworlds should be MUCH MUCH higher. The ones that are online are a disgrace. I bet someone could create 1-2 levels full of fun things to do and it could be more popular than most of the current servers.

Also you should not be able to remake a current playerworld without it being passed and/or approved by the PW Administration.

If you people just take your time and think of the players we wouldn't have all of these dull and boring playerworlds.

This makes so much sense it's scary!

LOA--Paul · #56 10-08-2002, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by darkriders_p2p

That looks like sarcasim, considering, 2/5ths of graal's "population" is on classic, I bet all the classic PKers would woop, UNs (I say this because I have 300 kills 40 deaths on UN with lvl 2 sword and 7 hearts). UN might have some good sparrers, I'll give you that.

And for the bf/gf thing, that changed along time ago, most people don't do that crap there anymore. And the lag on classic isn't horrible, UN's day/night is laggy at times (just like g2k1)

In My opinion classic is going up hill faster then all the other servers are. The others are either in neutral rolling down the hill, or the idiot in control is driving in reverse.

<3
So true
Have managers of once good servers fix up their servers and get rid of the other never good ones that have had their chance but failed.

magicbud3344 · #57 10-08-2002, 10:20 AM

Torans, i agree with you all of teh PWS suck in my opinon to, but you can't give UN a 1, seeing there are always around 100 people on it x.x
BTW SHUT DOWN ALL SERVERS AND FORCE PEOPLE TO PLAY 2k1

freddyfox · #58 10-08-2002, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by SavantMiles
Now im LAT Admin there,

So you're generally inclined to say good things about it. In truth, the levels suck, the scripts are simplistic, and I was completely and utterly dumbfounded as to how the crap it got up.

Then I remembered Genmo was running the PWA.

Torankusu · #59 10-08-2002, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by freddyfox
Then I remembered Genmo was running the PWA.

It went straight to Stefan.

freddyfox · #60 10-08-2002, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
It went straight to Stefan.

Really? Could've sworn it went past Genmo's desk. Hm.

G_yoshi · #61 10-08-2002, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
It went straight to Stefan.

As do most playerworlds that are afraid of being rejected for a crappy job. I know I have a lot of work cut out for me, so I don't exactly have a lot of room to speak...but I hope my end results do not turn out like so many other PWs online. The people that created those servers have some very twisted ideas on what is good. Perhaps someone from the PWA that is very skilled in levels or someone else should create an example which everything that is submitted from now on is judged against (levels, scripts, gfx, etc.)? A standard is obviously needed since what one reviewer thinks is good another might not. For NPCs and graphics...I wouldn't be overly critical. There are many good scripters, but not enough, I think, that something real high should be placed as a standard...same thing goes for graphics. At least, it shouldn't be real high for now...slowly increase the standard and I think the overall quality of playerworlds may go up...even if it is only a little its better than no increase.

Ghost Pirate · #62 10-08-2002, 01:01 PM

YES RAISE UP
TAKE DOWN THE CLASSIC SERVERLIST!

PIRAT · #63 10-08-2002, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Ghost Pirate
YES RAISE UP
TAKE DOWN THE CLASSIC SERVERLIST!

ok so graal2230 will never come online. lucky.

SavantMiles · #64 10-08-2002, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by freddyfox

So you're generally inclined to say good things about it. In truth, the levels suck, the scripts are simplistic, and I was completely and utterly dumbfounded as to how the crap it got up.

i did say the levels where bad, but i also said we are trying to fix it. The levels do look alot better then from what i can remember when the server first came out.

Nemesis · #65 10-08-2002, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Lyndzey

I don't really like UN, and that's because most of the staff are really immature. Too immature to even allow me to come on RC once in a while to help a few people.

No matter what you have your right to go on that playerworld for any reason with your RC. Generally you have work to do and they cannot kick you off for doing your job. Period. If they give you trouble you should either contact myself, stefan or unixmad about the situation and something will be done about it...

AbortedFetus · #66 10-08-2002, 11:54 PM

In my opinion only the playerworlds which are being unused or worked on at all should be taken down. I mean why get rid of pws that are being used and people actually do like. Sure getting rid of em will bring more population to the other servers. But, it will cause alot of people to leave as well and will cause the overall graal population to drop. When you have a game like graal isnt the overall idea to have a good ammount of people on the game itself ? So what some servers have lower player numbers than others. It's all about people enjoying themselves. I agree that most of the classic servers aren't very entertaining. Even Delteria has lost its touch. But, if people still like the servers it's not very nice to take those servers away just so the ones you favor will get more traffic.
It's all about pleasing the players that play not certain ones who find one certain server fun. Unholy Nation in my opinion sucks but, alot of people enjoy playing there so it's a pretty good server seeing that they have a good ammount of traffic. Thats all I have to say for now.

amonrabr · #67 10-09-2002, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
I CONCOUR

And for all those crappy private severs like galbaldialabnda and gaia, stop being sore losers. You failed, no need to go to stefan and whine and cry to get a private server, then produce a crappy/useless garbage content.

People work hard to get their playerworlds online, and you all take advantage of stefan like that, how shameful.

Man you suck!! I knew you were a loser, but thats too much.. O_O Loser..

James · #68 10-09-2002, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by amonrabr

Man you suck!! I knew you were a loser, but thats too much.. O_O Loser..

Aftershock speaks the truth. :o

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #69 10-09-2002, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by amonrabr

Man you suck!! I knew you were a loser, but thats too much.. O_O Loser..

Okay, let's think logically here.

Your playerworld was admitted as private on Janurary, because it had superb scripts. Now, it's October, and what happened to your superb scripts? Well, back in Janurary I would have agreed that this was an impressive server, but it's October. Standards change, you have to move up. Unfortunately your server spent so much time online that your scripts have become average at best, therefore making the server overall average.

If you don't rise to challenge the current standards on Graal, you'll be left behind

Torankusu · #70 10-09-2002, 03:33 AM

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Originally posted by amonrabr

Man you suck!! I knew you were a loser, but thats too much.. O_O Loser..

posts like this are not necessary. It only makes the manager look bad, which makes his "playerworld" look worse.

haunter · #71 10-09-2002, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
posts like this are not necessary. It only makes the manager look bad, which makes his "playerworld" look worse.

That's what I thought the moment I saw his post... I was thinking, "Man... How old is this guy..."

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #72 10-09-2002, 04:44 AM

Actually I think I should apologize for that uneccessary post.

You see, it's just really annoying how the PW team does their work, and they try really hard to make Graal better, but then when a server gets failed, they quickly try and find a solution through the back door and avoid the PW team, ultimately getting lower quality servers online. I mean, if one or two servers do it, then eventually all the others will follow suit and you'll get no more reviews from the PWA, and a whole lot more complaints about crappy servers.

But I must say, that I am very dissapointed with Galbaldia, more so than Gaia. Gaia just lacks content, but I think it can be categorized as one of the better half of servers that are out there when it comes to customization, graphics, tilesets, levels etc.

Once again, I apologize. I hope you see where I am coming from. You try and make Graal better, but in the end you just get cheated out of it all. I'm sure other playerworld owners that come through the PW team feel the same way too.

Ghost Pirate · #73 10-09-2002, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by PIRAT

ok so graal2230 will never come online. lucky.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you just trying to start trouble?

TifaKhan · #74 10-09-2002, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by AbortedFetus
In my opinion only the playerworlds which are being unused or worked on at all should be taken down. I mean why get rid of pws that are being used and people actually do like. Sure getting rid of em will bring more population to the other servers. But, it will cause alot of people to leave as well and will cause the overall graal population to drop. When you have a game like graal isnt the overall idea to have a good ammount of people on the game itself ? So what some servers have lower player numbers than others. It's all about people enjoying themselves. I agree that most of the classic servers aren't very entertaining. Even Delteria has lost its touch. But, if people still like the servers it's not very nice to take those servers away just so the ones you favor will get more traffic.
It's all about pleasing the players that play not certain ones who find one certain server fun. Unholy Nation in my opinion sucks but, alot of people enjoy playing there so it's a pretty good server seeing that they have a good ammount of traffic. Thats all I have to say for now.

I agree, Doomsday may not be up top with some others, but we hold our own, and we have players that like it here a lot.
Im trying hard since i became Manager 4 months ago, then with getting npc server set us back a bit, but i have wonderful faithful staff , and if Doomsday was taken down, quite a few of us would quit Graal altogether.
I dont think the answer is to remove PlayerWorlds just because there are a lot of them.
How about supporting the ones that are here and helping them improve.

G_yoshi · #75 10-09-2002, 11:17 PM

I think what the focus should be is making a well developed world and not a bunch of crap that will make your server at the top of the playerlist all the time.

Too often, many people who make PWs are only concerned about getting playercount. Can we at least for once forget about that and work on creating a nicely detailed world with lots of original things to do. As for the context of original, it could be a new spin on how to do something so long as its different and not yet used by another playerworld.

I would have to say that aside from my own playerworld, Koni's PW is one that I'm looking forward to.

VampiricTutorNewHD · #76 10-10-2002, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by darkriders_p2p

That looks like sarcasim, considering, 2/5ths of graal's "population" is on classic, I bet all the classic PKers would woop, UNs (I say this because I have 300 kills 40 deaths on UN with lvl 2 sword and 7 hearts). UN might have some good sparrers, I'll give you that.

And for the bf/gf thing, that changed along time ago, most people don't do that crap there anymore. And the lag on classic isn't horrible, UN's day/night is laggy at times (just like g2k1)

In My opinion classic is going up hill faster then all the other servers are. The others are either in neutral rolling down the hill, or the idiot in control is driving in reverse.

Classic sucks for PKing unless you have a brand new computer. And is more often than not above classic in the playerlist.

JrTerrorist · #77 10-10-2002, 12:03 PM

Classic scares me, I dont bother trying to get anything there because I feel like too much of a ****... x.X

Back to the ORIGINAL reason this thread was made..

Online PWs I like:
-NPulse (The people there..)
-SL (NEW SL = PWNAGE!!)
-Maloria (Fun fun O.o)
-Doomsday (Fun fun fun O.o)
-G2K1

Online PWs I dislike:
-All PWs besides those 5 above!

G_yoshi · #78 10-11-2002, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by JrTerrorist
Classic scares me, I dont bother trying to get anything there because I feel like too much of a ****... x.X

Back to the ORIGINAL reason this thread was made..

Online PWs I like:
-NPulse (The people there..)
-SL (NEW SL = PWNAGE!!)
-Maloria (Fun fun O.o)
-Doomsday (Fun fun fun O.o)
-G2K1

Online PWs I dislike:
-All PWs besides those 5 above!

Um, Toran made this thread in regards to the low standards and quality that the majority of PWs have. It has nothing to do with what you're personal favorite servers are.

VampiricTutorNewHD · #79 10-12-2002, 03:30 AM

UN levels could be better, but the server is just fine as a whole.

Neonight · #80 10-12-2002, 05:54 AM

Tyne is Providence's manager.

I think it should be taken down, though. It was majorly ****ed up by Chicken, so we have nothing past that point. It was, at one point, going to be a server with 3D Terrain, but that was scrapped.

Looks like the playerlist has been glued to the same spot on Prov for a week or so.

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