Classic Clones

[Gman4pwnu]

Why do so many people make classic clones? its sooo unoriginal and they are crap, nobody is going to play them, so why do so many of you try to make them still?

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Gman4pwnu

Why do so many people make classic clones? its sooo unoriginal and they are crap, nobody is going to play them, so why do so many of you try to make them still?

Because they are paying for their server, and that is what they wish to make.

[Gman4pwnu]

Yes but why bother to make a server that noone will play? its even better when you log on a server and the levels look like someone took a chainsaw to them, like pieces of tiles everywhere, and just ugly ugly ugly! crap scripts, and lol the staff are like, we are going to be on classic list cool huh?

[Matt]

Not all classic servers will be the same. And you never know if the players will actually play unless you take a shot at it.

[Okilian]

I don't know, i've seen some non classic servers that look like they were hit with the ugly tree.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by Gman4pwnu

Yes but why bother to make a server that noone will play? its even better when you log on a server and the levels look like someone took a chainsaw to them, like pieces of tiles everywhere, and just ugly ugly ugly! crap scripts, and lol the staff are like, we are going to be on classic list cool huh?

If the server has poor development staff, the fact that they are aiming for a classic-type server will have little to do with the quality of the playerworld itself.

[Gman4pwnu]

Originally Posted by Okilian

I don't know, i've seen some non classic servers that look like they were hit with the ugly tree.

your talking about aeon.

[PrinceDark]

Because quality don't matter on the classic list.

[Darlene159]

What makes the difference? If someone wants to pay for a PW, and make stuff, and it never makes it, so what? It doesn't really affect the rest of us...just dont play on them.

[Eagle]

Hmm, Gman, that sounds really stupid.. Should I start off with the way that is graal's default style and the way graal was origionaly suppose to be, or the fact that most of the Era clones are crap?

[StanislavHunter]

It's kind of a pet peeve for me when people complain about Classic clones.

What else can you do on a 2D computer game? Everything that can be thought of is already being used by another server. There's no point in complaining about it. And you say that no one will want to play them? There are over 300 people playing Classic and it's "clones".

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by StanislavHunter

What else can you do on a 2D computer game? Everything that can be thought of is already being used by another server

Heck no. There's plenty of unexplored territory out there. You just need a little imagination.

[Hiro]

Basically your asking, "Why do you all make playerworlds when you can play classic since it's the original server and even though you'll never get staff or have much fun on it anymore, you all suck because you can't just play classic."

Makeing a playerworld is fun, reguardless whether or not it makes it to public, and Graal is supposed to be (In my opinion) like Classic. So if theirs more choices, then it's more spar tournies for me to try and win.

[vahn32]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Heck no. There's plenty of unexplored territory out there. You just need a little imagination.

Yeah, I agree. Graal has a lot of unlocked potential people aren't grasping.
Although I think it would be much... well not easier, but nicer, to use a handmade engine, Graal is fine for those who cannot do so.
Just as a number can be an infinite amount of values, I'm sure there's an infinite amount of potential for any Graal server.
(Kai, please don't get into critisizing the mathematics of what I just said. )

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by vahn32

(Kai, please don't get into critisizing the mathematics of what I just said. )

You people really don't know me very well.

[Crono]

Every server is basically a classic clone, unless it has completly different gameplay. UN is a classic clone and it has the most players.

[coreys]

So true, so true.

[haro41]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

What makes the difference? If someone wants to pay for a PW, and make stuff, and it never makes it, so what? It doesn't really affect the rest of us...just dont play on them.

oh, but it does affect us! At least the Dev community. As rival PW makers, we are always striving for help. Now when you have servers for sale at such a low price, kids figure "why work for one when I can buy my own!"

So Now we have 200+ Playerworlds, with Developers spread all over building 20% of a playerworld, then giving up. You've seen it. Look in the Playerworld forum and there is always a Server in need of Help.

If the playerworld renting fees were higher, then there naturally wouldnt be as many, forcing Dev's to work for an already existing playerworld, making it possible for that playerworld to actually finish. And when you have many bright imaginative people working together, The result is always better than say 1, and 4 of his friends.

This probably wont happen because the cost benefit is in the long term and has risks. New quality playerworlds bring in more players who buy accounts.

You can't blame them, a large portion of the company's income is from Server renting fees. It is a drastic move, but I feel it would be good for the company and the graal community, giving it a chance to grow in size.

[Nappa]

I am waiting for someone to make a pirate server, taking place 85% over waters. Wouldn't even take much level design skills! Gimme a musket and a cannon, and lets hijack some booty.

[DarkShadows_Legend]

I don't know why you people ***** and complain about people buying servers and the developers spread out. before this pay thing there would be 200 "OMG I'm making my own playerworld, pls thx" all over that Graal Topsites 200 thing. With/without it you would still have development scattered. Maybe its more spread out now than before, but who's keeping track of the stats?

The kids want power and they're gonna get it by any means necessary yo!

[Luciano]

Wait, didn't you post another thread exactly like this - except about GK clones?

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Luciano

Wait, didn't you post another thread exactly like this - except about GK clones?

I'm not quite sure but I think this thread was created first.
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=58792

[Crono]

Originally Posted by DarkShadows_Legend

before this pay thing there would be 200 "OMG I'm making my own playerworld, pls thx" all over that Graal Topsites 200 thing.

Wrong. There weren't as many as there are today and plus back then playerworlds were "worth" much more. Making it to private was like a "WOAH HOLY **** CONGRATS MAN GOOD JOB!!!" kinda thing, now it's more of a "meh". :/

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Nappa

I am waiting for someone to make a pirate server, taking place 85% over waters. Wouldn't even take much level design skills! Gimme a musket and a cannon, and lets hijack some booty.

Holy crap yes!

[Gman4pwnu]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I'm not quite sure but I think this thread was created first.
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=58792

Just because im g-man does not mean i never post something first.

Check the post dates, and read the first post of that, it clearly says
(I stole Gmans post)

Also maloria is a clone of RO, they even have the same ****in blob monsters.

[PrinceDark]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Wrong. There weren't as many as there are today and plus back then playerworlds were "worth" much more. Making it to private was like a "WOAH HOLY **** CONGRATS MAN GOOD JOB!!!" kinda thing, now it's more of a "meh". :/

Well eff you too for missing my point. Its the same now as back then people still had to go through PWA. If people went private back then they were going public eventually because they were considered acceptible by the PWA. Currently, not ALL going to be public.

My point is that if we had the pay service back then, it would be the same as now with just about the same number of worlds.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by PrinceDark

Well eff you too for missing my point.

what the ****?

Its the same now as back then people still had to go through PWA. If people went private back then they were going public eventually because they were considered acceptible by the PWA. Currently, not ALL going to be public.

But the fact that you can get your server ONLINE (PRIVATE) is whats so different.

My point is that if we had the pay service back then, it would be the same as now with just about the same number of worlds.

Wrong, because they wouldnt be on graal, but instead the top200 site, where it took respect and dedication to JUST make it to private and THEN make it to public.

[coreys]

Originally Posted by Gman4pwnu

Also maloria is a clone of RO, they even have the same ****in blob monsters.

you realize how many rpg's have those? It's almost as abundant as giant spiders in rpgs...

[Minoc]

Gee, it seems that my post (showing Gman as a whining punk baby) has been deleted.

Yet the following post still exists: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...8&#post1067118

GREAT MODERATION! *applause*

[Luciano]

Originally Posted by Gman4pwnu

Just because im g-man does not mean i never post something first.

Check the post dates, and read the first post of that, it clearly says
(I stole Gmans post)

Also maloria is a clone of RO, they even have the same ****in blob monsters.

Okay, I just thought you did. You're Gman, and it had Gman in the other post, my bad. But your point is still stupid, most of them are just little projects created by people and were never really meant to go Classic.