Political Relations and Trading Guidlines

[Kefkin]

For those of you who do not know, I have now taken the leadership of the Zormite Republic. Firstly, I would like to address where it is we stand as a kingdom.

Our longtime allies, the Dustari, will always be treated with the utmost in respect and honor. I do not see any reason to change this, as it has been tradition for years. Feel free to associate yourselves with the Dustari and build the strong relationships that should be borne of such an alliance.

The neutral parties, both Forest and Crescent Pirates, should also be treated with respect, but do keep in mind. Our alliance with Dustari makes association with the Pirates a dangerous one. I do not discourage the pleasantries or friendships, but I find this relationship in direct conflict of our ally's wishes. Out of respect for the Dustari, you will no longer tread the grounds of the Crescent Pirates while on-tag without the direct permission of the Governor, nor will you openly trade with the enemies of our allies (drop tag if you must trade).

Though there are several camps of thought surrounding the political state of affairs between ourselves and Samurai, one thing remains, we are still enemies. The leadership of Samurai has changed, and there may be peace to look forward to, but until then I urge you to cut ties with them. Anyone found travelling with, trading with, or even helping the Samurai (while on tag) will be charged with treason against the Republic. If you absolutely must go to Samurai (which I pray will never have to happen) remain off tag as a sign of respect for our enemies. Trading is strictly forbidden without my express consent (unless both parties agree to drop tag and trade as civillians).

There is much here in Zormite which is not observed by its membership. I believe it is time to take the responsibilites you pledged to observe upon joining the republic. Though leadership has changed, Zormite will continue to grow.

This is not meant for you to freely go harrass our enemies or our ally's enemies, as Zormite has always been a place of integrity and honor. Continue this tradition by remaining honorable to everyone. If there are any questions, feel free to speak with me privately.

Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

[csod123]

what happened to Akira?

[Raziel]

Well I'll be damned. I didn't see this coming... X_x
What did happen to Akira?

[Kefkin]

It is with a heavy heart I announce today that we can no longer stand for the actions of our neighbors, the Dustari. They have, in the past, been more than kind and deserved the alliance we shared. Today it is no more. There are unspeakable actions occuring and we will not stand for it. The true faithful have left Dustari already, knowing all to well the change in mood from our neighbors.

The Dustari are no longer who we once believed them to be. In order to better secure our lands and citizens, the lands of the Dustari and all its people are now the sworn enemies of Zormite.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

[maximus_asinus]

thats what you want your leader to do on their first two days, break their only alliance.

[csod123]

we need an ally

[DrkXFactr]

Although he did have the final say in break/stay, it was not on him completely. Dustari chose their path. They made some decisions that led them on their own path, and more so, away from the alliance's path; some of which were even assured to become a problem. So, to put it completely on his plate, isn't right.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

It is with a heavy heart I announce today that we can no longer stand for the actions of our neighbors, the Dustari. They have, in the past, been more than kind and deserved the alliance we shared. Today it is no more. There are unspeakable actions occuring and we will not stand for it. The true faithful have left Dustari already, knowing all to well the change in mood from our neighbors.

The Dustari are no longer who we once believed them to be. In order to better secure our lands and citizens, the lands of the Dustari and all its people are now the sworn enemies of Zormite.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

The Divine Sanctuary of the Forest wishes to register it's suprise that Zormite would cast off it's only true ally. The Path of the Phoenix starts anew, and this time, the Zormitian tribes of Zaeri and Sahuagin will not be there to aid.

The Forest is most curious in this matter, and while it wishes to remain nuetral towards all, priority of aid would be given to Dustari in times of crisis.

[Splke]

Interesting.. who runs Dustari now again?

[Crono]

This is retarded, most kingdoms and such push for peace, they dont say "PLZ H8 SAMURAI SO wE KAN HAV SUM AKTION N ALKL PLZ DUN TRAVEL w/ DEM BTW"

[XGoLink]

Originally Posted by Splke

Interesting.. who runs Dustari now again?

Ed.. the one you wanted to be Prince of Forest

[MasterNuke]

Other than Zurkiba existing, is there any reason why this(Dustari as enemies) is going to happen? I'd like to hear it.

[LordZen]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

It is with a heavy heart I announce today that we can no longer stand for the actions of our neighbors, the Dustari. They have, in the past, been more than kind and deserved the alliance we shared. Today it is no more. There are unspeakable actions occuring and we will not stand for it. The true faithful have left Dustari already, knowing all to well the change in mood from our neighbors.

The Dustari are no longer who we once believed them to be. In order to better secure our lands and citizens, the lands of the Dustari and all its people are now the sworn enemies of Zormite.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

Reading your initial address, I was more than pleased with the decision to bestow my legacy apon your shoulders. But, this abrupt turn in foreign policy demands a proper explanation, immediately. The Sagesuns have married into the Republic's ruling family, as early as First Lady Razeil Sagesun Archigos, this should have solidified relations between the two states for generations.

For what reason do you dare throw aside such arrangements made by your predassesors with so little time in office, and so little time to reflect on the possible consequences of this decision before actually making it?

~Elder Archist Zen Archigos, Former Dictator and founder of the Zormite Republic

[csod123]

Originally Posted by DrkXFactr

Although he did have the final say in break/stay, it was not on him completely. Dustari chose their path. They made some decisions that led them on their own path, and more so, away from the alliance's path; some of which were even assured to become a problem. So, to put it completely on his plate, isn't right.

this is why Zen

[Kefkin]

Originally Posted by LordZen

Reading your initial address, I was more than pleased with the decision to bestow my legacy apon your shoulders. But, this abrupt turn in foreign policy demands a proper explanation, immediately. The Sagesuns have married into the Republic's ruling family, as early as First Lady Razeil Sagesun Archigos, this should have solidified relations between the two states for generations.

For what reason do you dare throw aside such arrangements made by your predassesors with so little time in office, and so little time to reflect on the possible consequences of this decision before actually making it?

~Elder Archist Zen Archigos, Former Dictator and founder of the Zormite Republic

Edwin's own actions speak well enough for Dustari. In allowing a blacklisted member to join his ranks, he shows the disrespect he truly holds for Zormite. A blatant slap in the face will not be tolerated. Even the former queen holds such disgust for the new king that she has left the kingdom herself. Dustari was handed over to Edwin for safe keeping. I spoke with Edwin about what his plans for Dustari were prior to taking the Dictatorship. I spoke at lengths with him about what he planned militarily, as well as his ideas for the furthering of good relations between our two nations. He simply stated nothing. He places full trust of his own kingdom in his officers, and has no say as to how it is run. I for one cannot place my trust, or the kingdom's for that matter, in somone who cannot even make a descision for his own kingdom. He believes his general will do all the thinking and strategizing for him.

Well, after this converstion, I assumed leadership of Zormite. With a careful eye, I watched our neighbors to the west. That is when I saw the general of the Dustari armies himself leave the kingdom. Obviously he has meticulously planned out some sort of strategy, and from what I can figure, it is that Dustari is not the kingdom we once knew anymore. When I took leadership, I had full intention of maintaining good relations with our previous allies, but in light of the self-serving actions of its king, along with the outpour of those members who meant the most to the king, I find no other choice but to declare enemies of the Dustari.

I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry, yet lazy, king. I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry king who doesn't even run his own kingdom!

Even the actions of the past cannot bridge this gap I am afraid as the corruption has obviously reached the highest level in Dustari. It does sadden me that I am the one who must break tradition, and raise our blades in defense from the Dustari, as even Edwin himself is not above attacking our Mikogens. Such disrespect will not be tolerated.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

Edwin's own actions speak well enough for Dustari. In allowing a blacklisted member to join his ranks, he shows the disrespect he truly holds for Zormite. A blatant slap in the face will not be tolerated. Even the former queen holds such disgust for the new king that she has left the kingdom herself. Dustari was handed over to Edwin for safe keeping. I spoke with Edwin about what his plans for Dustari were prior to taking the Dictatorship. I spoke at lengths with him about what he planned militarily, as well as his ideas for the furthering of good relations between our two nations. He simply stated nothing. He places full trust of his own kingdom in his officers, and has no say as to how it is run. I for one cannot place my trust, or the kingdom's for that matter, in somone who cannot even make a descision for his own kingdom. He believes his general will do all the thinking and strategizing for him.

Look on Dustari's Blacklist and tell me if you see Zurkiba anywhere. (Really... I can do a "Find on this page" and get nothing.)

By the way, talking over PMs isn't freakin in character. If you continue this war, you will make a mockery of your entire kingdom's RP ability. What I shared with you were my thoughts at the moment. Thoughts... OOC thoughts. Important decisions are forged with deep thought and time. And about my rule, when I give positions and titles to people, I actually HAVE them do their job. I don't hire people into high titles just to have them sit on their ass and do nothing.

Originally Posted by Kefkin

Well, after this converstion, I assumed leadership of Zormite. With a careful eye, I watched our neighbors to the west. That is when I saw the general of the Dustari armies himself leave the kingdom. Obviously he has meticulously planned out some sort of strategy, and from what I can figure, it is that Dustari is not the kingdom we once knew anymore. When I took leadership, I had full intention of maintaining good relations with our previous allies, but in light of the self-serving actions of its king, along with the outpour of those members who meant the most to the king, I find no other choice but to declare enemies of the Dustari.

Drk left because he just doesn't like Zurkiba. I can understand that, I just had to move a few jobs here and there. It was inconvinient.

If you had such intentions, why did you turn the blade so quickly... to have my friend tell me that she needs to be readded to Dustari because she needed to leave to defend herself because Zormite suddenly sees Dustari as enemies. Also... I do not value those who left anymore... It shows just how loyal they really were.

Originally Posted by Kefkin

I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry, yet lazy, king. I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry king who doesn't even run his own kingdom!

Those without food are always hungry. If you haven't noticed, the power left with what I thought were loyalties.

Originally Posted by Kefkin

Even the actions of the past cannot bridge this gap I am afraid as the corruption has obviously reached the highest level in Dustari. It does sadden me that I am the one who must break tradition, and raise our blades in defense from the Dustari, as even Edwin himself is not above attacking our Mikogens. Such disrespect will not be tolerated.

Metagaming, powergaming, and can't tell the difference between thoughts and decisions. And even labels me with steriotypes. You, sir, have brought you and Zormite to a whole new low. I don't believe I have done anything corrupt at the moment. It pisses me off that you were so quick to break something I decided to keep.

And about attacking your Mikogen... What about your members attacking me? I logged on to a flaming ice dagger in the face by one of your members. The Mikogen was on Dustari soil at the time you saw us as enemies and you even appologised about it. I'd post a log but that is breaking forum rules.


Thank you for keeping me up at 3:30am on a school night because it took you THAT freakin long to respond and add a whole lot of irrelevant content.

[DrkXFactr]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

Drk left because he just doesn't like Zurkiba. I can understand that, I just had to move a few jobs here and there. It was inconvinient.

Whoa.. I did not leave because I "don't like Zurkiba." I've explained this SO many times.. Zurkiba is poison. He's NOTHING but power-hungry. How many times has he tried to take over kingdoms? Not less than 2 hours after we see him as Duke of Dustari, does he PM Alisa Steele of CP and ask her to 'give up CP, because 5 kingdoms cannot exist.' ((I'd post log, but as Ed stated, it is not legal.)) Proof is everywhere, past or present. And you accepted him with open arms, knowing his past, knowing Dustari's look upon him. Knowing he is power-hungry. Knowing the deep poison he would bring. Well, the poison has spread. Do you like what it's becoming, Ed? Nobody else seems to.

So, saying that I left only because I do not like him, couldn't be further from the truth. If I was his best friend in the world, he's still poison.. He's still power-hungry... and he's still out to gain control of kingdoms.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by DrkXFactr

Not less than 2 hours after we see him as Duke of Dustari, does he PM Alisa Steele of CP and ask her to 'give up CP, because 5 kingdoms cannot exist.' ((I'd post log, but as Ed stated, it is not legal.)) Proof is everywhere, past or present.

Don't you think this information is important to my decisions? How come no one seems to tell me about stuff like this when it happens?
Edit: nm.. checked some logs and found something in badly formatted text that I didn't see.

Originally Posted by DrkXFactr

And you accepted him with open arms, knowing his past, knowing Dustari's look upon him. Knowing he is power-hungry. Knowing the deep poison he would bring. Well, the poison has spread. Do you like what it's becoming, Ed? Nobody else seems to.

Actually I was at a 50/50 until you left. I based a good amount of my decision on his potentials, not his freakin past. The past was all messed up.

What Dustari has become... do not lecture me about what it has become if the guy has only been around for TWO FREAKIN DAYS. The only thing that is happening is all of you guys making things really freakin difficult for me. I already told you guys that if he screwed around, I kick him. But the entire Kingdom of Zormite feels that it is worth waging war over one old guy.

Originally Posted by DrkXFactr

So, saying that I left only because I do not like him, couldn't be further from the truth. If I was his best friend in the world, he's still poison.. He's still power-hungry... and he's still out to gain control of kingdoms.

He won't gain control of Dustari, I already told you this.

[Discharge]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

Edwin's own actions speak well enough for Dustari. In allowing a blacklisted member to join his ranks, he shows the disrespect he truly holds for Zormite. A blatant slap in the face will not be tolerated. Even the former queen holds such disgust for the new king that she has left the kingdom herself. Dustari was handed over to Edwin for safe keeping. I spoke with Edwin about what his plans for Dustari were prior to taking the Dictatorship. I spoke at lengths with him about what he planned militarily, as well as his ideas for the furthering of good relations between our two nations. He simply stated nothing. He places full trust of his own kingdom in his officers, and has no say as to how it is run. I for one cannot place my trust, or the kingdom's for that matter, in somone who cannot even make a descision for his own kingdom. He believes his general will do all the thinking and strategizing for him.

Well, after this converstion, I assumed leadership of Zormite. With a careful eye, I watched our neighbors to the west. That is when I saw the general of the Dustari armies himself leave the kingdom. Obviously he has meticulously planned out some sort of strategy, and from what I can figure, it is that Dustari is not the kingdom we once knew anymore. When I took leadership, I had full intention of maintaining good relations with our previous allies, but in light of the self-serving actions of its king, along with the outpour of those members who meant the most to the king, I find no other choice but to declare enemies of the Dustari.

I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry, yet lazy, king. I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry king who doesn't even run his own kingdom!

Even the actions of the past cannot bridge this gap I am afraid as the corruption has obviously reached the highest level in Dustari. It does sadden me that I am the one who must break tradition, and raise our blades in defense from the Dustari, as even Edwin himself is not above attacking our Mikogens. Such disrespect will not be tolerated.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

You are overreacting. Zurkiba is not going to be Duke Zurkiba the Conqueror of Kingdoms. He wasn’t conquering people in Graal2001 as the Duke and his not going to now. If he goes ask for CP to be dismantled well I agree with him. That group of so call pirates is a complete waste. Zurkiba was role-playing as Erik the Red or something when he was trying to dominate. No, this erratic behavior is the result of a grudge.

[GryffonDurime]

IC:
As Divine Roi of the Forest and Duke of the Once and Future House of Durime, I would simply like to testify to Zurkiba Warhare's character. He is a good man, loyal to his cause, who has earned his keep and his title by actions. He is the spark of intelligence that lights the fire of change. Despite his long history as a catalyst, in these times when the land is fading so quickly, the soil becoming so hollow, perhaps a catalyst is what we need.

OOC:
PMs, forum and client, are OOC. 100%.

[XGoLink]

Then why did you remove me for saying something on the forums o.o
I really thought about what i said though, and im terribly sorry...
I was wrong

[LordZen]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

Edwin's own actions speak well enough for Dustari. In allowing a blacklisted member to join his ranks, he shows the disrespect he truly holds for Zormite. A blatant slap in the face will not be tolerated. Even the former queen holds such disgust for the new king that she has left the kingdom herself. Dustari was handed over to Edwin for safe keeping. I spoke with Edwin about what his plans for Dustari were prior to taking the Dictatorship. I spoke at lengths with him about what he planned militarily, as well as his ideas for the furthering of good relations between our two nations. He simply stated nothing. He places full trust of his own kingdom in his officers, and has no say as to how it is run. I for one cannot place my trust, or the kingdom's for that matter, in somone who cannot even make a descision for his own kingdom. He believes his general will do all the thinking and strategizing for him.

Well, after this converstion, I assumed leadership of Zormite. With a careful eye, I watched our neighbors to the west. That is when I saw the general of the Dustari armies himself leave the kingdom. Obviously he has meticulously planned out some sort of strategy, and from what I can figure, it is that Dustari is not the kingdom we once knew anymore. When I took leadership, I had full intention of maintaining good relations with our previous allies, but in light of the self-serving actions of its king, along with the outpour of those members who meant the most to the king, I find no other choice but to declare enemies of the Dustari.

I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry, yet lazy, king. I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry king who doesn't even run his own kingdom!

Even the actions of the past cannot bridge this gap I am afraid as the corruption has obviously reached the highest level in Dustari. It does sadden me that I am the one who must break tradition, and raise our blades in defense from the Dustari, as even Edwin himself is not above attacking our Mikogens. Such disrespect will not be tolerated.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

So let me get this straight, your reasoning for breaking the alliance more or less is hinged on Dustari allowing somebody into their kingdom that is on Dustari's Blacklist? Or on Zormite's Blacklist?

Either way, if Zurkiba was on Dustari's blacklist, no blacklist is set in stone and that is up to the king if he wishes to leave that name on the list or not. If its on Zormite's Blacklist -- well, thats Zormite's Blacklist, not Dustari's. They are seperate for a reason. If the two kingdoms wanted a mutual blacklist than arrangements would have been made for that already, they have been close for so long, there would seem little reason to keep 2 seperate blacklists if it was ever the intention to keep specific people out of the alliance completely. (And Zurkiba's past actions against Zormite and Dustari was as a different RP character, so you cannot make In-Character decisions based on the past RP character of an individual that he is not RP'ing as anymore)

And even then, that would not be cause to move a kingdom to war. At the absolute extreme, you should have opted for neutrality rather than WAR. One of the halmarks of the Republic was to be a peacekeeping force, not a state which commits the very act it is accusing its Dustari brethren of possibly doing in the future: Backstabbing.

Ed is a good and loyal servant of his country. Hes probably been around (on 2k2) as early as I was. I know his character far better than you, and it is anything but lazy, power-hungary, or curropt.

[Zurkiba]

Dont talk about me if you dont know me. I just want to express that real quick.

--

AS FOR THE CRESENT PIRATES ISSUE:
I have talked with Alan Steele, he understands what I was saying. However the Governess went all loco on me and thought
'Because 2k2 is getting too small to have five kingdoms'
as
'I'm going to conquer you'

and
'Kingdoms used to hire pirates as privateers, you could do the same'
as
'I'm going to conquer you.'


2k2 is too small for five kingdoms. There simply aren't enough people who want to roleplay in those kingdoms. So why not merge them?
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AS FOR THE GENERAL'S DEFECTION AND FORMER QUEEN:
First off... the Former Queen wouldn't leave. Otherwise it's bad roleplaying. As for the general leaving... that's called metagaming. It's using OOC information for IC plots and such. If you protested my being in the kingdom then you would've never been in the kingdom in the first place. Technically I've always been in the kingdom... technically I've always been a Duke. So hats off to you for metagaming.

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AS FOR ME BEING POWERHUNGRY:
Give me proof and I'll give that to you. If I was power hungry I would've had Ed give me more rights and crap. In fact, I'm not even using my given rights because I'm still a little unused to the new Graal Kingdoms

I've been a Duke of Dustari since 2001. I've done my part in it's development. I've was a Duke when Discharge joined, when Excalibur joined. I was a Duke when the former king Larrien joined. I planned for 2k2's Dustari. I've worked my ass off for Dustari. It's also a personal code of mine to never be the King of Dustari. The Highest I will ever go is Duke.

I've lead the Zormite Kingdom because I was the appointed governor of it by King Kamuii (or atleast I was one of two canidates, I cant remember too well). But they had a civil war and I lost my chance. So I took it over anyway and governed it into greatness. I then went to Forest, after asking Aftershock that is, because Brad needed good leaders and I knew Aftershock could handle Dustari. I also turned that into a great state (it conquered Dustari).

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AS FOR ME BEING ON A BLACKLIST:
Ed can change the blacklist as he sees fit. Seeing how if I was put on one, it would be because of bias without proof.

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LEARN TO ROLEPLAY:
You cant metagame and call it roleplaying. You cant use PMs and call it IC (unless it was designated as a letter or a fake courier brought it to you). AIM Conversations are not IC. The only IC things are actual in game text, written documents, and the occasional PM.

Metagaming is when you use that OOC information to determine IC actions. That is what you did. As far as your character is concerned Duke Zurkiba Warhare is the elder war hero of Dustari, House of the Admiral, Duke of the Northern Fief, and Commander of the Northern Militia.

If Zormite wages war, then we are to believe (ICly of course) that the Zormites are backstabers bent on the conquest of the Dustari isles.

[darkemporor]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

He won't gain control of Dustari, I already told you this.

... and rumor has it you're already considering handing Dustari over to him.

Wren

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by darkemporor

... and rumor has it you're already considering handing Dustari over to him.

Wren

And if you would read my posts, I would turn it down.

[darkemporor]

Originally Posted by LordZen

Either way, if Zurkiba was on Dustari's blacklist, no blacklist is set in stone and that is up to the king if he wishes to leave that name on the list or not.

That's fairly rediculous too. Ed can twist and bend and break but if Graynt does, its bad in your view. Dustari and Zormite leaders HAD an arrangement regarding respect of their blacklists. Of course, you couldn't be aware of this since you've been inactive over 2 years.

What amazes me is that you're still trying to remotely lead this kingdom. It's not helpful and never has been.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by darkemporor

That's fairly rediculous too. Ed can twist and bend and break but if Graynt does, its bad in your view. Dustari and Zormite leaders HAD an arrangement regarding respect of their blacklists. Of course, you couldn't be aware of this since you've been inactive over 2 years.

What amazes me is that you're still trying to remotely lead this kingdom. It's not helpful and never has been.

It's nice to see you're still alive and kicking, Wren.

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by darkemporor

... and rumor has it you're already considering handing Dustari over to him.

Wren

I was testing Calani's trustability. Apparently, she leaks information too.

[Splke]

Originally Posted by XGoLink

Ed.. the one you wanted to be Prince of Forest

Ed > you all k? I've wanted him for a lead-spot for a long ass time. He's probably the best powerplayer I know (since MarkB or so) just because of how damn balanced he is. He's not a bad listenner too, I think this war is done and over with long before it began.

: PS : If you need leik, some arr pee, Pee em mee. roflwaflz!

[LordZen]

Originally Posted by darkemporor

That's fairly rediculous too. Ed can twist and bend and break but if Graynt does, its bad in your view.

?

He can edit Zormite's blacklist just the same. The issue was that it sounded as if he was trying to start a war because he didnt like how another kingdom was managing their own blacklist, which should be a sovreign right to each kingdom -- so I dont see how your example correlates (Since Graynt is not twisting or bending anything, its his response to Ed's actions which is the center of debate). And I'm still not clear as to whether it was Dustari's blacklist Graynt was mad at Dustari for, or Zormite's blacklist Graynt was mad at Dustari for.

Originally Posted by darkemporor

Dustari and Zormite leaders HAD an arrangement regarding respect of their blacklists. Of course, you couldn't be aware of this since you've been inactive over 2 years.

I am not sure if that was supposed to be a low blow or not. I'm not sure about how long its been exactly now, but someday somebody would be able to say the exact same about you, so what is the big deal? I have a special interest and perspective in this particular part of the Graal culture and community, why am I not allowed to continue to be interested in 2k2 Zormite happenings? Why dont you feel that I should be allowed to share my views on a public forum dedicated to the topic which I have special interest in??

Anyways, whats the point in keeping 2 seperate blacklists if each kingdom expected the other to blacklist everybody they blacklisted? As long as you understand that valid point I made than the issue is moot to me about whether or not an arrangement had been made. Logically the 2 kingdoms would have began to maintain a single mutual blacklist, failing to do that is asking for problems *points to present issue*. Thats all I was saying.

Originally Posted by darkemporor

What amazes me is that you're still trying to remotely lead this kingdom. It's not helpful and never has been.

What amazes me is that you actually believe yourself, and that somewhere along the road you started to dislike me, and I still havent figured out why. I did not judge you as being the ProjectShifter type: you hold grudges even after people appologize the best they can and try to burry the hatchet over and over. You just didnt like my input, ever, even when it was in private.

Look, I'm all for Graynt being Dictator. I was really pleased with his opening announcement, it gave me a stellar first impression, and I knew from then he was capable. His decision to break ties with Dustari so early on is a topic well worth examining, and I'm sure Graynt felt the same way (that its a topic well worth discussing) or else he wouldnt have made a open thread about it in this forum where he knew his position would more than likely be questioned by at least a few. Every good leader benefits from criticism, and from opinions from multiple points of view. Thats a lesson some people figure out....and others dont so much, Wren.

And I'm not trying to "remotely lead" anything, I just chime in when topics come up that I have strong feelings for, thats unfair to get pissed at me for that. You have to understand where I'm comming from.

[Debaglio]

Durime... do you even know what a catalyst is?

Your aid...... all of 2 members. nice. See you there... wait I forgot who this was written for. See you there for two seconds before you log for a week and a half.

Maybe you should check your misunderstood concepts and explore the buffer analogy... seems to make more sense for the concept you are trying to apply.

How about next week when your class gets to the explantion about Pangea you can talk about the kingdoms in that context and give us a nice explanation about how they formed, all mighty ROI.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

Durime... do you even know what a catalyst is?

Your aid...... all of 2 members. nice. See you there... wait I forgot who this was written for. See you there for two seconds before you log for a week and a half.

Who do you think you are...?

[Debaglio]

Well sir, If you would read my two chapters that I have posted this question you proposed would not have made its way to this tread.

Short and sweet.

Etien Debaglio
"head of NAPZ"
"forest member once spited by a selfish leader"
"apointed to NAPZ by Akira"
"chemist extrodinair"

no take"a" no crap"a" from no one"a"

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Debaglio

Well sir, If you would read my two chapters that I have posted this question you proposed would not have made its way to this tread.

Short and sweet.

Etien Debaglio
"head of NAPZ"
"forest member once spited by a selfish leader"
"apointed to NAPZ by Akira"
"chemist extrodinair"

no take"a" no crap"a" from no one"a"

Ok, what? Could you be coherent this time?

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Dont talk about me if you dont know me. I just want to express that real quick.

--

AS FOR THE CRESENT PIRATES ISSUE:
I have talked with Alan Steele, he understands what I was saying. However the Governess went all loco on me and thought
'Because 2k2 is getting too small to have five kingdoms'
as
'I'm going to conquer you'

and
'Kingdoms used to hire pirates as privateers, you could do the same'
as
'I'm going to conquer you.'


2k2 is too small for five kingdoms. There simply aren't enough people who want to roleplay in those kingdoms. So why not merge them?
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Doesn't CP have more active members then us right now Zurk? Who would you 'merge' CP with and why should they loose their identity?

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

AS FOR THE GENERAL'S DEFECTION AND FORMER QUEEN:
First off... the Former Queen wouldn't leave. Otherwise it's bad roleplaying. As for the general leaving... that's called metagaming. It's using OOC information for IC plots and such. If you protested my being in the kingdom then you would've never been in the kingdom in the first place. Technically I've always been in the kingdom... technically I've always been a Duke. So hats off to you for metagaming.

You have been public enemy number one of Zormite for a long time. You had been driven out of Dustari for your actions ic. You continue with unsurpassed arrogance claim that you can tell people whether you are in any given kingdom or not. When you lead the Astri kingdom, how well would you have taken it if someone YOU kicked out for dereliction and treason (as you were by lance) just ran around claiming to 'still be Astri' and blamed YOU for being a bad roleplayer for not recognizing that?

You have abused global tags and camped in the castle to distrupt RP events - and yet you have the audacity to accuse OTHERS of bad roleplaying for not wanting to PRETEND you were never kicked out?? How weak is that?

Don't forget that her sister is the retired leader of Zormite, so it is unlike a former queen of england, choosing to live with her sister in spain or something to that effect.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

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AS FOR ME BEING POWERHUNGRY:
Give me proof and I'll give that to you. If I was power hungry I would've had Ed give me more rights and crap. In fact, I'm not even using my given rights because I'm still a little unused to the new Graal Kingdoms

I've been a Duke of Dustari since 2001. I've done my part in it's development. I've was a Duke when Discharge joined, when Excalibur joined. I was a Duke when the former king Larrien joined. I planned for 2k2's Dustari. I've worked my ass off for Dustari. It's also a personal code of mine to never be the King of Dustari. The Highest I will ever go is Duke.

As if I have all that much respect for your 'personal codes' when you have been exiled how many times for leading revolts? How many times have you called for the overthrow of both Dustari and Zormite?

How much of your time on GK has been spent pining over your 'near victory' of taking over the world and how you would have conquered zormite 'if only' Samurai happened backstabbed you after you 'helped' them by taking over their kingdom and forcing them into your Eastern Alliance?

I've lead the Zormite Kingdom because I was the appointed governor of it by King Kamuii (or atleast I was one of two canidates, I cant remember too well). But they had a civil war and I lost my chance. So I took it over anyway and governed it into greatness. I then went to Forest, after asking Aftershock that is, because Brad needed good leaders and I knew Aftershock could handle Dustari. I also turned that into a great state (it conquered Dustari).

And before you mention it I - know - that is a difference character...I am not 'meta gaming' though as you always spoke AS ZURKIBA on TAG and IC while sitting on the Dustari throne, (when the king was not around) talking about your glorious exploits.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

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AS FOR ME BEING ON A BLACKLIST:
Ed can change the blacklist as he sees fit. Seeing how if I was put on one, it would be because of bias without proof.

Because Zurkiba The Saint could Never Do Wrong? Give me a break. You have made more than one power hungry grab and I have personally witnessed your exile for your own actions.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

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LEARN TO ROLEPLAY:
You cant metagame and call it roleplaying. You cant use PMs and call it IC (unless it was designated as a letter or a fake courier brought it to you). AIM Conversations are not IC. The only IC things are actual in game text, written documents, and the occasional PM.

Back at ya buddy. You are the only person I know of that harasses people by abusing a global tag, gets added into other kingdoms, so you can get into the Dustari castle and camp there pretending to be a Dustarian and calls it roleplaying.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Metagaming is when you use that OOC information to determine IC actions. That is what you did. As far as your character is concerned Duke Zurkiba Warhare is the elder war hero of Dustari, House of the Admiral, Duke of the Northern Fief, and Commander of the Northern Militia.

Zurkiba Warhare was exiled in disgrace long ago. He abandoned his lands, and at times 'channeled' Erik for no good reason while pining for conquest.

Don't tell us how we have to act towards your character dispite your actions ic, I don't tell you that you have to like me or make myself up to be some sort of hero you have to worship.

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

If Zormite wages war, then we are to believe (ICly of course) that the Zormites are backstabers bent on the conquest of the Dustari isles.

Right, and if Canada welcomed Bin Laden as their new Minister of Defense the US would be out of line to get ticked off right?

Its funny how the 'right way' to RP by your standards is always the most self serving way. Get over yourself.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by LordZen

?

He can edit Zormite's blacklist just the same. The issue was that it sounded as if he was trying to start a war because he didnt like how another kingdom was managing their own blacklist, which should be a sovreign right to each kingdom -- so I dont see how your example correlates (Since Graynt is not twisting or bending anything, its his response to Ed's actions which is the center of debate). And I'm still not clear as to whether it was Dustari's blacklist Graynt was mad at Dustari for, or Zormite's blacklist Graynt was mad at Dustari for.

Sorry Zen, its just Zurk's history with Zormite that I think is causing the main stife. Not anything to do with any blacklists. Personally I wouldn't go to war over the fellow, but I understand why it bothers Zormite so much that he is in Dustari.

Originally Posted by LordZen

What amazes me is that you actually believe yourself, and that somewhere along the road you started to dislike me, and I still havent figured out why. I did not judge you as being the ProjectShifter type: you hold grudges even after people appologize the best they can and try to burry the hatchet over and over. You just didnt like my input, ever, even when it was in private.

In Wren's defense, you can at times have a bit of 'anxious father syndome' when it comes to Zormite, and I don't think there is any dislike - just its a bit frustrating when you get anxious over some of the smaller changes. I don't think there is any PSing going on.

Originally Posted by LordZen

Look, I'm all for Graynt being Dictator. I was really pleased with his opening announcement, it gave me a stellar first impression, and I knew from then he was capable. His decision to break ties with Dustari so early on is a topic well worth examining, and I'm sure Graynt felt the same way (that its a topic well worth discussing) or else he wouldnt have made a open thread about it in this forum where he knew his position would more than likely be questioned by at least a few. Every good leader benefits from criticism, and from opinions from multiple points of view. Thats a lesson some people figure out....and others dont so much, Wren.

And I'm not trying to "remotely lead" anything, I just chime in when topics come up that I have strong feelings for, thats unfair to get pissed at me for that. You have to understand where I'm comming from.

I just think Zen, sometimes you jump the gun and assume the worst. For instance, this affair has nothing to do with the blacklist, its about Zurk's actions in the past and recent present towards Zormite and many people in Dustari.
I still think its fair to critisize Zormite, but you should find out and understand the details before jumping to conclusions.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

In allowing a blacklisted member to join his ranks, he shows the disrespect he truly holds for Zormite.

Well spoken.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by darkemporor

Dustari and Zormite leaders HAD an arrangement regarding respect of their blacklists.

Zormite's blacklist hasn't been updated for quite a while now - you can see that because the grammar and spelling I use in it is horrible. And hey, guess what? There's no freaking Zurkiba on Zormite's blacklist, nor on Dustari's.

Congratulations Zormite Dictators! You've proven to be ignorant once again!

How the hell can you start a war over something that's not even true? Besides, you have a Ministry of Information. What do they do there? Are they too stupid/inactive to do a damned forum search?

I think this case is settled. The new Dictator of Zormite is incompetent and can't use a simple forum function, and starts war over things that aren't true.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

Zormite's blacklist hasn't been updated for quite a while now - you can see that because the grammar and spelling I use in it is horrible. And hey, guess what? There's no freaking Zurkiba on Zormite's blacklist, nor on Dustari's.

Congratulations Zormite Dictators! You've proven to be ignorant once again!

Not every player makes it on the blacklist thread who is blacklisted, especially when the player's behavior is well known among the leaders.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

How the hell can you start a war over something that's not even true? Besides, you have a Ministry of Information. What do they do there? Are they too stupid/inactive to do a damned forum search?

I can attest he was blacklisted, and for just cause. Zormite is angry over Zurk and what he has in fact done, not on a misguided 'his name is in a specific thread' reason.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

I think this case is settled. The new Dictator of Zormite is incompetent and can't use a simple forum function, and starts war over things that aren't true.

All hail Cyrin Matlock
Perhaps you can examine Zurkiba's actions, the reasons why he was kicked out of Dustari, and Zormite fairly recently, and maybe you'll have enough facts not to sound so way off when you speak?

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Not every player makes it on the blacklist thread who is blacklisted, especially when the player's behavior is well known among the leaders.

Then you can't blame Ed for allowing Zurkiba into the kingdom although he was blacklisted, now can you?

Originally Posted by busyrobot

All hail Cyrin Matlock

HEIL!