Zone & 3D

[middo]

For the love of god.
Why hasn't anyone thought of this (unless I missed it!)

Make a 3D version of Zone, with Torque!
(That means you Stefan ;o)

Or atleast give some people the server/tools to put it together.
It would own so much, maybe I could enjoy that server, instead of playing a 2D wannabe (CENSORED, BUT GAME INVOLVES EVER LASTING WAR)


I am REALLY good at modern objects/buildings, thanks to NS.
I would be willing to lead the 3D team > since Asterik and MD are taking their sweet time with our current project (and I still can't texture)

But no really, I could pump out quite a few buildings in a day, unlike Medieval buildings (our project -_-) which can take a few days, due to research & evil textures.

[TonyRivers]

Erhm zone is almost an exact 2d replica of a popular 3d game. im not complaining about anything I think zone is great but if you turned it into 3d many people would be very suspicious.

[middo]

Originally Posted by TonyRivers

Erhm zone is almost an exact 2d replica of a popular 3d game. im not complaining about anything I think zone is great but if you turned it into 3d many people would be very suspicious.

Not if we changed many of the concepts (and yes I know which 3D game you're talking about)

We just need to make sure its unique, but the gameplay in the 2D Zone is just driving me insane, say I suck or whatever, but I can keep an even score, at the cost of my sore fingers -_-


EDIT: Right now I'm putting together what a 3D Zone might look like (I'm putting it to gether on the HL2 engine for now, as an example)

[middo]

(OMG TEH DOUBLE POSTZ)

This is what a "base" might look like.
It's really not very good, limited time and lack of futuristic-enough textures made this.
It's fairly good considering it took me a little less than an hour.
Not to mention there is lots of just random detail I threw in (texture and poly wise)


(I had to load it in CS:S, please excuse that factor D

[unixmad]

We already had this idea a few months ago. We have started a prototype with a nice looking town and some vehicles (police car ...)

But i agree with TonyRivers i don't want to make a clone of another 3d game, so we will need to make something more original.

This is something we can start quickly if players really want it.

[xAndrewx]

Could finish quickly to. You just need new designs mainly. :]

[middo]

Originally Posted by unixmad

We already had this idea a few months ago. We have started a prototype with a nice looking town and some vehicles (police car ...)

But i agree with TonyRivers i don't want to make a clone of another 3d game, so we will need to make something more original.

This is something we can start quickly if players really want it.

I saw those screens of a town, and I think you mean Era, not Zone.

Era would just be GTA, but worse.
Zone wouldnt be like Wanet Wide (figure out my code!!!) if it had different gameplay and setup.
Infact it would be alot different frm Wanet Wide if it worked in rounds and was more oriented towards a CS feel, but with futuristic themes.

It could work very well.
I want to help D:

[xAndrewx]

And what are you trying to say with
"Era would just be GTA, but worse."
Era would be rather good 3D.

[middo]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

And what are you trying to say with
"Era would just be GTA, but worse."
Era would be rather good 3D.

Are you kidding me?
It would just be a bunch of idiotic laggy kids running around shooting eachother.
But the fact that vehicles would work 300x better might be nice...

[syltburk]

Make zone better itself before you start with other projects.

[middo]

Originally Posted by syltburk

Make zone better itself before you start with other projects.

A 3D zone would be completely different than a 2D one, I see no reason to finish a completely different version.
Plus I'm not staff on the current Zone.

[Spark910]

I think some sort of shoting-styled-3D game would be good.
Something that:
*Had rounds
*Didn't last too long
*Allowed small amounts to play (8v8, 9v9, 10v10 - or something)
*Quite a few maps

3rd person shooters are quite good, at least I like them for a more realistic game (even though the view is unrealistic)

[middo]

Originally Posted by Spark910

3rd person shooters are quite good, at least I like them for a more realistic game (even though the view is unrealistic)

3rd persons are only good in games that don't require too much accuracy.
In first persons you know when your accurate or not, in thirds it can be hard to tell.
So first person is more into it, third person is more lax.
It can always be an option you know.

But with graals playercount, the gameplay would have to be alot different.
Games like Wanet Wide (my code! :O!!!) have a big enough world and playercount that you begin to feel insignificant, but graal is otherwise.

So we would have to make sure the maps are small, but not too small, big enough to fit a good 10vs10 - 20vs20
Like a Wounter Wtrike (CODE) map but about 3x bigger, and less elaborate.

[WanDaMan]

I'd like to go back to basics and actually have something fun to play. Zone, Era and Valikorlia would look quite interesting as 3D. As for "copying" other games, look at CounterStrike, Ghostrecon and Rainbow6 all of them are based on the same theme none of the 3 in my opinion are related to Zones gameplay.
Same goes for GTA and any other game with the realistic theme.

[middo]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

Same goes for GTA and any other game with the realistic theme.

I bet I could help make Zone into a unique 3D Game.
And I have played enough 3D Games that are all futuristic, or trying to be, to know enough about how to make one a little believable, if not unique.

[Nitkizi]

I thought we could mention games like Planet-Side and Counter-Strike, as long as they weren't MMORPG?

Anyways, it isn't like there hasn't been a FPS deathmatch type of game with vechiles before. Tribes, Planet Side, Battlefield, Call of Duty: United Offensive..I don't see why Zone can't be made 3d, you just have change things to not be obviously like PlanetSide, even though I have never played it..

[syltburk]

Originally Posted by middo

I bet I could help make Zone into a unique 3D Game.

[LogicBot]

NO!

I already dislike Zone. I don't need a 3D version of a crappy server.

[TonyRivers]

I think we should focus our efforts on a more unique 3d game if one is really needed. Maybe something that envolved ethier strategy or vehicular carnage maybe a graal demolition derby where you battle it out in little chibi cars loaded with missles and explosives you could make it where you have a little garage and build your vehicle and constantly upgrade it and buy ammo for it with the money you make off of kills. Just a random thought but I think the results would be very interesting.

[Gambet]

Meh, I think Zone is fine as it is. Its fun. If we start turning everything into 3D, then we really wouldnt have graal anymore. Although, a 3D version of Zone would really own (if made correctly), but if its not made, then its fine as it is.

[middo]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Meh, I think Zone is fine as it is. Its fun. If we start turning everything into 3D, then we really wouldnt have graal anymore. Although, a 3D version of Zone would really own (if made correctly), but if its not made, then its fine as it is.

Precisely, no harm done even if it did fail.
And I'm not saying trash the 2D version either.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by unixmad

But i agree with TonyRivers i don't want to make a clone of another 3d game, so we will need to make something more original.

But Graal started out as a clone of another game and still looks like it. Most FPS games look the same anyway, so why not?

[middo]

Originally Posted by Gerami

But Graal started out as a clone of another game and still looks like it. Most FPS games look the same anyway, so why not?

Yarr!

[syltburk]

since middo is the "AWESOME EXPERIENCED LEVELZOR MAKEZOR ON 3d 2d AND EVERYTHING ELSE!!!" why dont we just let him do it?

He sáys he got "loads" of "experience" from "games". *ROLLEYS*

[middo]

Originally Posted by syltburk

since middo is the "AWESOME EXPERIENCED LEVELZOR MAKEZOR ON 3d 2d AND EVERYTHING ELSE!!!" why dont we just let him do it?

He sáys he got "loads" of "experience" from "games". *ROLLEYS*

Do you have to be a D*ck?

I don't want a flame war, they are against the rules.

All I can do are levels for 3D things, I'm not really ready to learn the full C++ syntax and Torquescript.
I can't do 3dsmax models, but I do have experience damnit, and if that doesn't count for something I don't know what will. Atleast I HAVE experience, and am willing to use it, which is more than I can say for you apparently.

[SergeTrigger]

well I would help middo anyway I could :-P

[Gurran_303]

Zone is getting so many improvments to the 2d server like the one player mode but i dont think i would be realy ready to forget about that for a 3d game + i feel graal DOES have a unique feel to it.
A 3d zone would rule, but i would rather wait for zone to have missions and one player ect before they even thought abou it being 3d. Realy nice pics of what it could look like. Why dont you get a few models together and see if it can be programmed but just like a small demo.
Or even that car ideal that sounded quite appealing. I just dont want to see too much time going into a fully 3d server when it would burn the old one to ashes.

[Crono]

I had this idea months ago. I think it would look nice, but the only way you could pull it off is if you made a strict 3D version of the 2D zone. As in, dont add anything fancy or try to change the character's looks and such.

[Gurran_303]

Maybe just make a small playable 3d version of ircia see how it works out then they can just add more every now and again untill it totally replaces zone, but only after one player because thats my main prority to see.

[smurfmidgetninja]

Phantom did most of the layout and I worked on it and made a top floor and outside of the BH base for CS....but due to Hard Drive issues I only have a old verson which doesn't have any of my work in it....It was fricking cool...I would love to see 3d Zone type server and a modern shooter one...also middo check out http://www.role-play.us It's a role-play community that used to play on The Specialists and now uses Half-Life 2 Deathmatch for it...you would be loved there if you made some cool maps and from those screens you got skills.