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Old 07-04-2009, 02:39 PM
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Stat changes/updates.

Been looking around and there are a few items which have some terrible stats, even kingdom items...

So here's a thread for those items you think need to be looked at, obviously don't just say they need a change, justify it.

Moss Bow - (Str-2)(Cha+1)(wc+3)(dmg+12)(luck+3)
Okay it's pretty uncommon these days and most people have forgotten about them. But i've always felt this item was spat at pretty much. Str-2? That's an insane penalty that would only be justified by the benefits, which are very small. Cha+1, useless. wc+3, useless, 3wc often makes no difference. luck+3 shouldn't change much, DoF is also luck+3. Also the name has no relation to the stats at all, moss is pretty ugly, but it has Cha+1. And the bow is also VERY innacurate aswell as being pretty weak, which i don't understand.

Revised stat suggestion: (Dex+1)(Cha-2)(wc+3)(dmg+16)(luck+3)(Attacks: physical, poison). Accuracy unchanged as it's powerful (16dmg) like composite, i think the more power on a bow, the less accurate it should be. Forest is very accurate, so it has 10dmg.

Again. Feel free to post your own stat revision suggestions and justify them. Obviously none is guaranteed to be accepted, but it may lead to some rectifications like with Demon Shield.

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To make this easier, please post your suggestions in the format:

Current: Moss Bow (Str-2)(Cha+1)(wc+3)(dmg+12)(luck+3)
Revised: Moss Bow (Dex+1)(Cha-2)(wc+3)(dmg+16)(luck+3)(Attacks: physical, poison)

Justification: blablabla

*I'm aware my first suggestion isn't in this format.
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Old 07-04-2009, 02:41 PM
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So here's a thread for those items you think need to be looked at, obviously don't just say they need a change, justify it.
Thanks, excellent suggestion and guideline. I'd like to also say - don't just post something willy-nilly. You should discuss your suggested changes privately before submitting them. Post too many bad suggestions and it won't be worth reading this thread.



Please place your suggestions in the following format:

Current: Face of Agony (Cha-1) (Resist Poison $5) (Resist Blindness +5)
Revised: Face of Agony (Speed+5) (Resist Magic +25) (Resist Poison +25)

I'd like to make the mask "Face of Agony" Really match it's true purpose. I mean really, how are people to know they're supposed to be in agony unless they really are?
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Old 07-04-2009, 03:30 PM
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Thanks, excellent suggestion and guideline. I'd like to also say - don't just post something willy-nilly. You should discuss your suggested changes privately before submitting them. Post too many bad suggestions and it won't be worth reading this thread.
Well there's no harm in discussing idea's here, although well thought out ideas that have been suggested privately before would definately speed the thread up.
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Thanks, excellent suggestion and guideline. I'd like to also say - don't just post something willy-nilly. You should discuss your suggested changes privately before submitting them. Post too many bad suggestions and it won't be worth reading this thread.
You guys are stupid apparently nobody can read. This is just going to become a spamfest like every other thread started here, it's already started with you guys posting crap other than suggestions.
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There are some items who could have some stats, instead of just being collectors or anything.

Quick exemple: Cloak of Nocturnal Shadow, maybe....resist death ?
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Ok here are a few things i believe need a fix.

Samurai Bracers: These are quite possibly the WORST item in the game, i do believe the current stats are -2 str -1 con -1 dex -2 wis or something similar, either way, they suck and need revamping, there are only a few pairs out there, why should they suck if they are so rare?

New stats: Dex +1 wis -1 int -1, this at least makes them useable, plus it adds another dex item since con is just out of the question and str is on too many items.


Cloak of divine light: Current stats don't really make much sense to the name. Since spell reflect does not work, it should be changed to reflect the name in some sense.

New stats: Resist holy word +30-40, there are practically NO items for this resist and plenty of people who use DS and worship bile, they need some protection from casters who spam holy word.


Black Guard Helmet: The stats are not worth the price +1 str +1 con -6 int fear resist? If anything the price needs a severe drop or the stats need to be redone, no one buys it now since fhom is far better due to it adding 1 to all 3 melee essentials.

New stats: Str+1 Con +2 int -4 wis -1 cha -2 resist death +30 resist holy word - 50 This makes the item quite useful to those who need a little con boost and already have 30 dex. It also makes the price of 60 ecs not seem so high.

Lastly we have the Phoenix helm, speed +1... i should at least add some dex or something, it is not a terribly common item, but it adds no stats making it completely worthless and not worth owning, let alone mentioning.

New stats: dex +1 speed +1 resist fire +20 this way it is not totally useless, still not as nice as fhom but in a pinch it can help with fire resist.

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There are some items who could have some stats, instead of just being collectors or anything.

Quick exemple: Cloak of Nocturnal Shadow, maybe....resist death ?
Was waiting for that item to pop up. Why it doesn't have stats is beyond me...
i think these resists would relate to it: blinding, fear, ghosthit.
stats that would relate to it: speed, (stealth).

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Ok here are a few things i believe need a fix.

Samurai Bracers: These are quite possibly the WORST item in the game, i do believe the current stats are -2 str -1 con -1 dex -2 wis or something similar, either way, they suck and need revamping, there are only a few pairs out there, why should they suck if they are so rare?

New stats: Dex +1 wis -1 int -1, this at least makes them useable, plus it adds another dex item since con is just out of the question and str is on too many items.


Cloak of divine light: Current stats don't really make much sense to the name. Since spell reflect does not work, it should be changed to reflect the name in some sense.

New stats: Resist holy word +30-40, there are practically NO items for this resist and plenty of people who use DS and worship bile, they need some protection from casters who spam holy word.


Black Guard Helmet: The stats are not worth the price +1 str +1 con -6 int fear resist? If anything the price needs a severe drop or the stats need to be redone, no one buys it now since fhom is far better due to it adding 1 to all 3 melee essentials.

New stats: Str+1 Con +2 int -4 wis -1 cha -2 resist death +30 resist holy word - 50 This makes the item quite useful to those who need a little con boost and already have 30 dex. It also makes the price of 60 ecs not seem so high.

Lastly we have the Phoenix helm, speed +1... i should at least add some dex or something, it is not a terribly common item, but it adds no stats making it completely worthless and not worth owning, let alone mentioning.

New stats: dex +1 speed +1 resist fire +20 this way it is not totally useless, still not as nice as fhom but in a pinch it can help with fire resist.

Thoughts?
Definately agree with samurai bracers, but i think the stats were that because they wanted speed+2 on them lol. But the negatives are too much.
Stats are debateable and pretty much up to samurai to negotiate with Tig/Stefan about.

I'd like to cloak of divine line to have +40holy word resist or +1wis +25holy word resist, reflect spells doesnt work nor refelct the title/story of the item at all.
"This cloak, sewed by the angels of Aengus,
provides an ancient protection from any
darkness that may veil. It was then blessed
by an old priest, Aiven Ghorr, to remove
all remaining affects from Aengus threads,
so it does not upset the other gods,
and now, even the darkest spirits may be
blinded by the light of this cloak."
Suggestions.

Lol black guard is horrible, holy word -100 is just insane... that's a 1 hit KO no doubt... Con+2 interesting, a trade off, Con and death resist for -50holy word resist (which is too much i still think, -20/30 sounds fairer) and no dex like with fhom. Those using black guard and demon stone have to watch out for brigid.

Lol@turkey helmet. It's worse than cowboy, which is no insult to cowboy but it's just horrible. I'd like to suggest Speed+1 resist fire+20 regeneration +3 for phoe helmet.

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Current: Face of Agony (Cha-1) (Resist Poison $5) (Resist Blindness +5)
Revised: Face of Agony (Speed+5) (Resist Magic +25) (Resist Poison +25)
Lets have all suggestions in this format. Ty Stephen.
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Old 07-04-2009, 04:03 PM
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Was waiting for that item to pop up. Why it doesn't have stats is beyond me...
i think these resists would relate to it: blinding, fear, ghosthit.
stats that would relate to it: speed, (stealth).



Definately agree with samurai bracers, but i think the stats were that because they wanted speed+2 on them lol. But the negatives are too much.
Stats are debateable and pretty much up to samurai to negotiate with Tig/Stefan about.

I'd like to cloak of divine line to have +40holy word resist or +1wis +25holy word resist, reflect spells doesnt work nor refelct the title/story of the item at all.
"This cloak, sewed by the angels of Aengus,
provides an ancient protection from any
darkness that may veil. It was then blessed
by an old priest, Aiven Ghorr, to remove
all remaining affects from Aengus threads,
so it does not upset the other gods,
and now, even the darkest spirits may be
blinded by the light of this cloak."
Suggestions.

Lol black guard is horrible, holy word -100 is just insane... that's a 1 hit KO no doubt... Con+2 interesting, a trade off, Con and death resist for -50holy word resist (which is too much i still think, -20/30 sounds fairer) and no dex like with fhom. Those using black guard and demon stone have to watch out for brigid.

Lol@turkey helmet. It's worse than cowboy, which is no insult to cowboy but it's just horrible. I'd like to suggest Speed+1 resist fire+20 regeneration +3 for phoe helmet.
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Please place your suggestions in the following format:

Current: Face of Agony (Cha-1) (Resist Poison $5) (Resist Blindness +5)
Revised: Face of Agony (Speed+5) (Resist Magic +25) (Resist Poison +25)

I'd like to make the mask "Face of Agony" Really match it's true purpose. I mean really, how are people to know they're supposed to be in agony unless they really are?
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Forest shield current: pow +1 speed +1
Forest shield Revised: dex +1 speed +1 resist poison +20

Why pow? If forest is supposed to represent elves, it should represent their speed and their natural resistance to poison, not power, they have all pretty much vanished because of their stats, and decent stats couldnt hurt it.

Fear needs to work as well...seriously...
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Forest shield current: pow +1 speed +1
Forest shield Revised: dex +1 speed +1 resist poison +20

Why pow? If forest is supposed to represent elves, it should represent their speed and their natural resistance to poison, not power, they have all pretty much vanished because of their stats, and decent stats couldnt hurt it.

Fear needs to work as well...seriously...
Uhm i like the fact that forest gives pow... very few pow shields and i believe Elves are both agile and magical, so the pow is sort of relevant. Dex+1 on a kingdom shield is kind of an insult since ice shield has the same stats just cold resist.
And with kingdom items, there are supposed to be more items than there are, i think CP has the most complete kingdom set having boots, shield, belt, wand, bracers, hat and hook. So the forest set is nowhere near complete, we could see dex/poison resist on other set items. To conclude: The shield is fine.
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Forest shield current: pow +1 speed +1
Forest shield Revised: dex +1 speed +1 resist poison +20

Why pow? If forest is supposed to represent elves, it should represent their speed and their natural resistance to poison, not power, they have all pretty much vanished because of their stats, and decent stats couldnt hurt it.

Fear needs to work as well...seriously...

God no, not another Dex item.. really dex is the easiest stat to get don't take more gear paths away from mages.
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Forest shield current: pow +1 speed +1
Forest shield Revised: dex +1 speed +1 resist poison +20

Why pow? If forest is supposed to represent elves, it should represent their speed and their natural resistance to poison, not power, they have all pretty much vanished because of their stats, and decent stats couldnt hurt it.

Fear needs to work as well...seriously...
why power? because elves are fast magical forest creatures der xP
forest shield:
current: power+1 speed+1 ac+1 (Armour +53)
revised: strength-1 power+1 speed+2 ac+1 (armour +50)(resist poison +25)

reason: elves are not known for their strength. but for their magical nature and their speed. the resist poison is because well it's a forest shield and if you are a part of the forest or even something forged of the forest u would think it would be either poisonous or can resist poison.
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Forest are wood elves, not the "high elves" with impressive magic. If anything, they'd have wis/dex. Pow is already Zormite's stat we're landed with.
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why power? because elves are fast magical forest creatures der xP
forest shield:
current: power+1 speed+1 ac+1 (Armour +53)
revised: strength-1 power+1 speed+2 ac+1 (armour +50)(resist poison -25)

reason: elves are not known for their strength. but for their magical nature and their speed. the resist poison is because well it's a forest shield and if you are a part of the forest or even something forged of the forest u would think it would be either poisonous or can resist poison.
rofl i'm pretty sure aengus, the elf god, reduces poison resistance.

more buffs for vidar though ofc
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rofl i'm pretty sure aengus, the elf god, reduces poison resistance.

more buffs for vidar though ofc
more buffs? rofl when has anything i have been buffed? fkin tard xP i got my wand AFTER it's stats. and the poison resist is based on forest not elves specifically.
think before u speak dumb@$$
-strength is totally a buff too .. fkin idiot

as to kia's post wood elves as part of the high elves. who all retreated to the forest during the elf/dwarven wars.

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as to kia's post wood elves as part of the high elves. who all retreated to the forest during the elf/dwarven wars.
High Elves wouldn't associate with that earthy riff-raff!
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more buffs? rofl when has anything i have been buffed? fkin tard xP i got my wand AFTER it's stats. and the poison resist is based on forest not elves specifically.
think before u speak dumb@$$
-strength is totally a buff too .. fkin idiot

as to kia's post wood elves as part of the high elves. who all retreated to the forest during the elf/dwarven wars.
y so harsh

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Give higher tier bracers some skill increase and make bronze craft-able.
That's sort of a stat change/update, isn't it?
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Current: Belzebub's Shield (ac+4) (resist depletion+100)
Revised: Belzebub's Shield (ac+4) (sustenance+30)

Justification: Considering resist deplete does nothing why not change it to something that seems like it would mean the same thing and yet actually do something?
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Current: Pirate gloves (wc+1)
Revised: Pirate gloves (wc+1) (dmg +2)

Justification: They're kingdom items they shouldn't be worse than havocs. Samurai boots are already better than pirate boots, gloves should be on par
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I'm going to suggest Sash of Clarity to have +1 magic.

Current: (Int+1)(Cha+1)(Pow+2)

Revised 1: (Int+1)(Pow+2)(Magic+1)


It's a caster belt and It shouldn't be mandatory to get regen from only rings and hats, and allow mix and match. Plus even if you have Magic+7 only +2 of the magic is going to do any difference.
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Justification: They're kingdom items they shouldn't be worse than havocs. Samurai boots are already better than pirate boots, gloves should be on par
Up to CP and Tig/Stefan. But i agree, samurai have their boots... so much better than Dustari and CP's. Could argue str shields are as important as con shields. But their gloves can't also be the best... Feel each kingdom should have a max of 2 outstanding items in their sets, where theirs is better than other kingdoms. If this is the gloves, along with the boots, all other sam items should either be average or suck. That being said, cp has none that own...

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I'm going to suggest Sash of Clarity to have +1 magic.

Current: (Int+1)(Cha+1)(Pow+2)

Revised 1: (Int+1)(Pow+2)(Magic+1)


It's a caster belt and It shouldn't be mandatory to get regen from only rings and hats, and allow mix and match. Plus even if you have Magic+7 only +2 of the magic is going to do any difference.
There's nothing wrong with Sash of Clarity. Doesn't need a power-up at all.

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You guys are stupid apparently nobody can read. This is just going to become a spamfest like every other thread started here, it's already started with you guys posting crap other than suggestions.
Erm yea, lets have them discussed beforehand. But some suggestions need to be shot down
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Current: Pirate gloves (wc+1)
Revised: Pirate gloves (wc+1) (dmg +2)

Justification: They're kingdom items they shouldn't be worse than havocs. Samurai boots are already better than pirate boots, gloves should be on par
yesplz

Need something to make them better than havoks/marks
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Current: Pirate gloves (wc+1)
Revised: Pirate gloves (wc+1) (dmg +2)

Justification: They're kingdom items they shouldn't be worse than havocs. Samurai boots are already better than pirate boots, gloves should be on par
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yesplz

Need something to make them better than havoks/marks
I agree with that !
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Old 04-10-2010, 03:39 PM
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The havoks are fine right now. But the marks could get a bit of wc and it would rock! And for the Easter Basket, being that its 3 of a kind it should have awesome stats and kick ass Now I just need one to match my Bunny Suit and a tail....
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Old 07-06-2009, 12:34 AM
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Pirates have more kingdom items than any other kingdom they don't need more top notch gear. Sorry Ess :[
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Pirates have more kingdom items than any other kingdom they don't need more top notch gear. Sorry Ess :[
Actually we have the same ammount as Samurai has (Maybe one more), and Samurai's items totally overpower CPs. I think Ess is right and CP gloves does need some damage added to or.. or else it is useless.
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Shinings are top notch, wc and dmg is just like ok
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Old 07-06-2009, 12:44 AM
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gloves of the sun r pro'r thx
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ya cuz samurais bracers r so op
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That was their own choice
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Old 07-08-2009, 12:50 AM
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current:Skull of the devil str+1 ac+2 resist death+15
revised:Skull of the devil str+1 ac+2 resist death+15 dmg+2

just for the reason it seems like a better skull helm and the Skull helmat is str+1 ac+2 resist death+15 so they're the same.
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how did i know when i saw your post it would be able that helmet
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Old 07-08-2009, 03:52 AM
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how did i know when i saw your post it would be able that helmet
it could be because i wear it alot and its one of my few items, but i dont know maybe you're psychic
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:53 PM
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Current: Mangan Blade Dmg +9 (physical)

Revised: Mangan Blade Dmg +9 (Physical, Poison
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The weapon is a relic. It has ugly graphic but I still like it and it has been forgotten. There are only a few. No harm in improving it that little bit. No conflict of interest because I no longer own one.

Current: Hammer of Might and Agility (Physical)
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Revised: Hammer of Agility (Physical, Paralyze)


Hammers are also relics but have the disadvantage of the slow womp womp that needs to be made up for with this minor stat improvement. Hammers are cool but over priced. I did not include blue hammer because well. It really doesnt need to be improve and cost more lol

Also I agree with the Black Guard Helmet upgrade. It sure needs it and all those kingdom items with useless stats. Such as:

Pirate Hat lol
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:31 AM
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:03 AM
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Hey, I love mangan blade. I think it looks great. I do wish that is was flipped so it didnt look like you were holding is backward. Only problem is it doesnt match anything since its really hard to do a yellow look.

Though "I" do like the graphic most people think its ugly.
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