Relevance of physical level?

[Deophite18]

Does physical really even matter anymore? First off, I realized that I barely hit for more damage with +136 dmg on my weapon compared to when use a unprepped one which is totally ridiculous. Even when I critical someone it only hits for around 1/4 of my max damage so basically prepping for me is a waste of scrolls and diamonds. Whereas back in the day damage bonuses combined with your level actually mattered, and the damage I dealt actually reflected what it said in the stats rather than some random number like it is now. I never understood why it was made like this. Not to mention even if I am using a weapon with max slots filled with IWD's I barely deal more damage than someone with a significantly lower level in a spar. Why would people want to even level physical anymore when its like this? It really serves no purpose anymore IMO.

The only real benefit you can get out of it now is maybe being able to kill certain monsters slightly faster. But even then it's nothing that really makes a difference. Someone with the right weapon or decent gear could kill monsters just as fast as someone with a maxed phys.

Magic or Wis may also due similar damage in spars not based on levels but someone with a high level versus a lower level has more mana/grace etc and won't be at the same disadvantage as the others. The fact that I do maybe 15-20 damage extra on only SOME hits is totally bogus when I have a maxed out level and a sword with +137 damage on it.

I guess I just don't really see what the incentive is for other people to level it anymore.

[Noobie8205]

We should totally fix this so you can run around with your party bugged 107 physical and faceroll everyone right?

But seriously I notice that as well not so much from the physical aspect but on the magic side of things being level 50 magic gives me no benefits over a level 20, damage wise.. The only thing I gain is longer lasting walls and a larger range on destruction.. Oh and let's not forget the mana cost of things basically triple.. being high level is totally overrated.. On the physical side of things the only thing that you really gain from leveling is weapon class.. so basically what we're getting at is past level 50-60 leveling is pretty pointless? drop the level cap imo 110 base and 107 individual is really unnecessary..

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by Noobie8205

We should totally fix this so you can run around with your party bugged 107 physical and faceroll everyone right?

But seriously I notice that as well not so much from the physical aspect but on the magic side of things being level 50 magic gives me no benefits over a level 20, damage wise.. The only thing I gain is longer lasting walls and a larger range on destruction.. Oh and let's not forget the mana cost of things basically triple.. being high level is totally overrated.. On the physical side of things the only thing that you really gain from leveling is weapon class.. so basically what we're getting at is past level 50-60 leveling is pretty pointless? drop the level cap imo 110 base and 107 individual is really unnecessary..

You single me out because I made this thread. But the truth is 70 percent of the server from that Era did the same thing.

The point I am trying to make is physical level no longer has any meaning at high levels. Its just a waste of every ones time to try and level it, take it from me, it won't be worth it for anyone anymore. GK is a server that is based around stats gear and leveling. But the second you step into a spar arena you are nerfed and a lot of your hard work is negated. Worked hard to get 30 str, 30 dex? Makes no difference when everyone is nerfed and has the same speed in an arena. 270 damage? Makes no difference when you can't hit past 70 damage no matter your level or what enchantments on on your sword. It's total bs that a server where a characters strength revolves around leveling and boosting stats has done things like this for the sake of attempting a better "balance"

I dunno maybe it wasn't tig who did it maybe it was bjorn. But its even more unbalanced this way. Physical & Melee never should have been changed. The only thing that should have changed was magic so that people could compete against people with higher phys rather than getting crushed automatically.

[Mousymee]

It's true that after about 55 or so physique barely makes any difference in terms of damage. At about 200 damage I still sometimes hit for some low 3's and 5's. The minimum amount of damage you put out should go up as your damage does...

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by Mousymee

It's true that after about 55 or so physique barely makes any difference in terms of damage. At about 200 damage I still sometimes hit for some low 3's and 5's. The minimum amount of damage you put out should go up as your damage does...

And IWD's should start to actually serve a purpose. Because personally the change to my damage it causes is insignificant.

Tested this with Klay and Zale. Hit them with an unprepped unblessed katana dealing 50 damage. Then I hit them with a prepped xmas flame sword of Gov+8 enhanced with 26 IWD's. I dealt 60 dmg. A whopping 10 extra damage.

Totally worth the 676 diamonds and 27 scrolls I spent for the 10 extra damage.

/sarcasm

[Craigus]

Physique level is a awesome skill to level till 75 - 80 IMO the WC really pays off till this point and going any higher is unrealistic for most players at this point with the current monsters. Ive only gained 4 levels in the past 6 months. The problem you have is a minor problem since it effects only you and maroku and john a lesser amount.

[MajinDragon]

The extra WC pays off, allows me to wear Archers or any other non-wc gloves and still be effective in bmode. But i do have an issue with the dmg as do you. How can my weapon have 100 damage, not even including your own phys damage, and still register low hits? Even on players w/o AC/phys protection, i don't hit the max, or close to it. Would prefer phys to add min damage instead of this meaningless high damage. But saying that, the max hp isn't enough to make high level battles last long if that happened... Know how it could work but, that's just effort.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by StormYs

Lemme try and explain this to noobs.
Your Weapon = GOV right, what kind of dmg does Gov do? Oh Wait, yes Weapon magic. What is the resistance it goes with? Yes it is Magic Resist. How much resist does a RoS give? I dunno that out of my head but it is hell a lot less than a RoW thus my conclusion =
Your Dmg is round the 40 because his resistance ain't that low.

Uhm Storm, weapon magic doesn't fall under any resists

[StormYs]

Then why do RoW users get more dmg when being hit by a Gov weapon than a person using rots.

I might be wrong I ain't to sure but I think that I am right.

Edit: must of been my imagination but still i assume that the 60 was considered as a normal hit, what was your crit? Mine highest crit is 82.

[smokeraider]

Deophite you should be the last one complaining about it
you have 107 phy and i know you did not get it the Normal way

so why complain?
things are fine as it is
it needs to be fair for everyone.

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by smokeraider

Deophite you should be the last one complaining about it
you have 107 phy and i know you did not get it the Normal way

You don't know what youre talking about.

Originally Posted by smokeraider

it needs to be fair for everyone.

So whats the point of leveling then? To gain strength and have it all taken away?

[smokeraider]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

You don't know what youre talking about.

I do know what im talking about. and im not going to say it becouse you also know what im talking about.

Originally Posted by Deophite18

So whats the point of leveling then? To gain strength and have it all taken away?

People need a fighting chance and not to be killed in 3 4 hits
that takes the fun out of pking if you ask me,
But yes ur right the point of leveling is to get stronger.

[Mousymee]

You guys are pretty focused on what your max hits are, I think the biggest problem is that even with 265 damage you can still hit for 5's and 10's

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by Mousymee

You guys are pretty focused on what your max hits are, I think the biggest problem is that even with 265 damage you can still hit for 5's and 10's

I actually spoke to Tig about it earlier. He agreed there was definitely something wrong. Who knows if he will actually fix it though.

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

I actually spoke to Tig about it earlier. He agreed there was definitely something wrong. Who knows if he will actually fix it though.

Wait for Q2 update in 2013