Problem with Iricia/Zone Idea thread

[Dante55555]

EDIT: This was just going to start off as a rant about Iricia but..it turned into more, I guess.

I don't know how many of you can go back with me on this, but here I go:

Iricia, an epic planet. I recall the dozens of people running around on it, the bullets from smg and appirces flying all around you. I remember the countless raids on base 1 with good friends like Jo, Dark, rykuz and all my other close friends.

This was back when life on Zone was good, when you could actually idle on Iricia and not get killed. This was back when if you used appirces you were considered lame. If you EVER strafed with pistols, you were beyond forgiveness.

One of my earliest Zone memories was chilling out at base 4 with Riley. This was back when everyone who was cool hung around base 4. Man, those really were the days. Although it is just a video game, Zone has some of my fondest memories. I've met some truly amazing people and had some good times with them.

I see Zone now as this...grotesque shadow of what it once was.

No one plays Alpha anymore, the greatest planet of all time. No one touches WildCross, Alpha's close second. Zone is no longer the great server it once was. I came back to a server filled with players that cared about nothing but getting more kills.

They didn't savor gameplay, they didn't savor a good battle. To this very day, I can't shoot someone who doesn't have a weapon out. Sometimes I make exceptions, like if someone lamed me and such, but 9 times out of 10 I can't do it.

Basically, I want all of your help to bring Zone back to the way it was. I would love to see all the things from Old Zone back, but one of the vital things missing is the great community. All of my old friends are something I could never replace..

So I want to know what you guys think. I want to know everything and anything you think could make Zone better.

Here is an example:

Iricia is no longer Iricia. You could take out all the bases and no one would complain. The main objective of Iricia now is to get to the other teams HQ and lame them before they lame you.

What happened to scurrying to base 1 at the start of each round? I remember racing people to get there all the time! I remember I could jetpack from Sweep to Base 1 soooo fast.

I want your ideas. I want to know what YOU as the players think we can/should do to try and fix this problem. What can we do to make people want to actually play Iricia again?


The same thing applies to any other problem. What is wrong with Zone in your opinion and what should be done to fix it?

I will be extremely strict on posts in here. Here are the things I will be looking for:

*Posts that actually make sense and have relatively acceptable grammar. i dnt wnt to sort threw psts liek this.
*I want you to post what you feel is wrong with Zone, but I don't want you to post something stupid like "gelat noobs need to die" or something. Problems like the problem with Iricia may be listed.
*List a problem. You are not required to actually post a solution to your problem, but you may bring it up as a topic of discussion.
*Posts that have constructive criticism. No outright flaming will be tolerated.
*DO NOT POST PROBLEMS WITH A STAFF MEMBER IN THIS THREAD. If it is something you are truly concerned about PM Daniel or myself.

These will be editted as this thread goes on, I'm sure, but for now those are the basics.


Thanks for all your help in advance,

- Dante

[DeathOfRa]

Well, I say make bots randomly spawn in HQs. Base lamers will have competitions. :O

[Dan]

Originally Posted by DeathOfRa

Well, I say make bots randomly spawn in HQs. Base lamers will have competitions. :O

*smells brilliant idea if we work that out properly*

[Dante55555]

Originally Posted by DeathOfRa

Well, I say make bots randomly spawn in HQs. Base lamers will have competitions. :O

Originally Posted by Dan

*smells brilliant idea if we work that out properly*

As long as they shoot at the people laming and can't harm the HQ they are defending, it's a relatively good idea.

[bahamutstevetff]

we could theoretically remove all the crap new weapons from zone XD, i miss the days when the worse the weapon, the more fun it was to use.

for heavens sake, remove hotkeys...if not...remove jetpaco hotkey.

old trial system, or atleast let trials have guild tags. i remember when being in a guild was actually worth something.

the reason no one chills on iricia or deathmatch as i remember so fondly is because of the spar planet. i really hate spar planet.

remove all event items and go hace to hosting like 1 event item a year, like when stormys had reapers and everyone was like woah.

make proxies visable again, i had many fun days on alpha (my old fav planet) hiding them behind barrels and trees then rushing someone with my trusty plasma sabre or smg!

i remember aprippers and appirces being tweaked, cant remember the specifics but i kow it ruined them both.

these are just my personal opinions, im sure it wont reflect most of your opinions but yeah, these are what I would love to see.

[DeathOfRa]

Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

we could theoretically remove all the crap new weapons from zone XD, i miss the days when the worse the weapon, the more fun it was to use.

for heavens sake, remove hotkeys...if not...remove jetpaco hotkey.

old trial system, or atleast let trials have guild tags. i remember when being in a guild was actually worth something.

the reason no one chills on iricia or deathmatch as i remember so fondly is because of the spar planet. i really hate spar planet.

remove all event items and go hace to hosting like 1 event item a year, like when stormys had reapers and everyone was like woah.

make proxies visable again, i had many fun days on alpha (my old fav planet) hiding them behind barrels and trees then rushing someone with my trusty plasma sabre or smg!

i remember aprippers and appirces being tweaked, cant remember the specifics but i kow it ruined them both.

these are just my personal opinions, im sure it wont reflect most of your opinions but yeah, these are what I would love to see.

Or...
Lets put a kill requirement to use the Gelat shop! Or put the rank restrictions on most weapons so we won't see a new recruit running around clicking maddly with chainsaws and Photons.

[Dante55555]

Originally Posted by DeathOfRa

Or...
Lets put a kill requirement to use the Gelat shop! Or put the rank restrictions on most weapons so we won't see a new recruit running around clicking maddly with chainsaws and Photons.

No @ kill requirement for Gelat shop.

Yes @ more rank restrictions.

[bahamutstevetff]

Originally Posted by DeathOfRa

Or...
Lets put a kill requirement to use the Gelat shop! Or put the rank restrictions on most weapons so we won't see a new recruit running around clicking maddly with chainsaws and Photons.

that would kick bottom!

i miss the days when you see a trial with a g18 and he kills some one you get team chat spammes with /OMG Dat G18 r so lame!!!!! , now you see a trial with g18 its like ...lol i could just hover my mouse overhim hold strafe and click his character and kill him in 4 shots with my super imaginative greenrifle.

[Dante55555]

Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

we could theoretically remove all the crap new weapons from zone XD, i miss the days when the worse the weapon, the more fun it was to use.

I don't think that would work..

for heavens sake, remove hotkeys...if not...remove jetpaco hotkey.

Can make it so that some items can't be hotkeyed.

old trial system, or atleast let trials have guild tags. i remember when being in a guild was actually worth something.

Explain what you want trials to be able to do in more detail. What was the "old trial system"?

remove all event items and go hace to hosting like 1 event item a year, like when stormys had reapers and everyone was like woah.

As much as I liked that method, I do not think the current community would agree with that decision.

make proxies visable again, i had many fun days on alpha (my old fav planet) hiding them behind barrels and trees then rushing someone with my trusty plasma sabre or smg!

We could maybe make proxis visible again and put the invisible proxis in gelat shop or make them more expensive than the visible kind.

I am not so sure about removing the invisible proxis entirely. Can make a poll for it, though.

i remember aprippers and appirces being tweaked, cant remember the specifics but i kow it ruined them both.

I can still kick *** with appirces when I'm in the mood. How are they ruined?

these are just my personal opinions, im sure it wont reflect most of your opinions but yeah, these are what I would love to see.

Thank you for your input.

[bahamutstevetff]

Originally Posted by Dante55555

Explain what you want trials to be able to do in more detail. What was the "old trial system"?

trials logged on and had basic towelie outfits. they had 100 hp, im indifferent on that part, they just enjoy the excuse to lose. they could join guilds (notice how guilds have failed miserably since trials stopped being allowed)
they could use scout and commando! i miss having GOOD trials to fight like DDc and isicle. now trials are just slow with less hp and easy to kill, and spars just too laggy.

best of all they couldnt save, they would log on and fight untill they was half decent players as trials, often trying to get bluerifle as trial, what an achievment! or going for bounty! TRIAL GLORY!...and when they got good, upgrade and try to get half decent stats because now they can save...now trials get like 200 deaths before they get a feel for the game. i miss old trials.

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

we could theoretically remove all the crap new weapons from zone XD, i miss the days when the worse the weapon, the more fun it was to use.

Agreed. All this overpowered 'assault pistol' crap has totally ruined Iricia's sense of achievement. The Bluerifle needs to have 15 damage again, the red rifle needs to go, all of these stupid '1 month only' weapons need to have an increase in price but be permanent.

Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

for heavens sake, remove hotkeys...if not...remove jetpaco hotkey.

Couple this with the overpowered weapon and you have the key culprits in Iricia's demise. Hotkeys are evil reincarnated. The idea of them was brought up so many times, and was rejected on multiple occasions for ruining the game and making things extremely 'lame'. Some bright spark decided to go against the player's wishes and add them anyway.

Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

old trial system, or atleast let trials have guild tags. i remember when being in a guild was actually worth something.

I doubt they will revert back to the old trial system, but guild tags were one of the earliest mistakes which hit Zone hard. Guilds instilled a deep sense of community and some guilds took off very well. There were fun guild rivalries and tons of cool guild events to settle them. Now that trials cannot join guilds it totally disbanded the community. Guilds were actually a great reason for trials to upgrade. The one thing Graal doesn't lack is community, and people upgraded because then they could really get into the game and hang around with their friends more. When guilds were removed, a lot of friends became distant and lost interest in Zone, because technically, the server itself is not outstanding by a mile.

Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

the reason no one chills on iricia or deathmatch as i remember so fondly is because of the spar planet. i really hate spar planet.

Hmm, well the spar planet is a good idea in theory, but this isn't really a thing that can be dealt with. The staff aren't going to remove a perfectly popular planet. Although the map's emphasis should be more greatly placed on the Alpha planet.

Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

remove all event items and go hace to hosting like 1 event item a year, like when stormys had reapers and everyone was like woah.

It was more like a month dude, lol. The amount of events are insane now. Once a month for PERMANENT event items seems good, with smaller events held in between to tide things over for things like 200 pipebombs or whatever.

Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

make proxies visable again, i had many fun days on alpha (my old fav planet) hiding them behind barrels and trees then rushing someone with my trusty plasma sabre or smg!

Uh, yeah. Why the hell were they made invisible? I know Zone isn't regarded highly for its logic, but this is just idiotic.

Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

i remember aprippers and appirces being tweaked, cant remember the specifics but i kow it ruined them both.

Appirces had an increase in freeze time on the user, and although it was very slight, it made a huge difference. The apripper for some weird reason had bullet time effects added and their freeze time for the user was decreased.

Kds, if you can manage to get any of these fixed, then it would help Zone out so much.

[Dante55555]

I will try and get the old GUI back. The new blue one is ugly.

Ammo should not be timed x-x

If you pay money to have it you shouldn't have to pay money again.

Originally Posted by Huwajux

Agreed. All this overpowered 'assault pistol' crap has totally ruined Iricia's sense of achievement. The Bluerifle needs to have 15 damage again, the red rifle needs to go, all of these stupid '1 month only' weapons need to have an increase in price but be permanent.

We nerfed assault pistol.

BR does 14, not that big of a difference.

Why does RR need to go? Green Rifle needs to go x-x

What do you suggest a price for permanent weapons? Keep in mind Stefan and his love of Gelats. We can only do so much before he just says "no".

Couple this with the overpowered weapon and you have the key culprits in Iricia's demise. Hotkeys are evil reincarnated. The idea of them was brought up so many times, and was rejected on multiple occasions for ruining the game and making things extremely 'lame'. Some bright spark decided to go against the player's wishes and add them anyway.

I will hold several polls to remove things on Zone, hotkeys included.

but guild tags were one of the earliest mistakes which hit Zone hard.

Can ask Stefan about it.

The staff aren't going to remove a perfectly popular planet.

Agreed.

It was more like a month dude, lol. The amount of events are insane now. Once a month for PERMANENT event items seems good, with smaller events held in between to tide things over for things like 200 pipebombs or whatever.

I still don't think RPs and the like should be permanent.

Uh, yeah. Why the hell were they made invisible? I know Zone isn't regarded highly for its logic, but this is just idiotic.

Agreed. Will have a poll to see whether or not they want them removed.

Appirces had an increase in freeze time on the user, and although it was very slight, it made a huge difference. The apripper for some weird reason had bullet time effects added and their freeze time for the user was decreased.

Will change them back.

Kds, if you can manage to get any of these fixed, then it would help Zone out so much.

I'll try my best

[bahamutstevetff]

Originally Posted by Dante55555

I will try and get the old GUI back. The new blue one is ugly.

AWESOME!

Will change them back.

this could make a whole lot of difference to zone...making it more like olden time i mean

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by Dante55555

I will try and get the old GUI back. The new blue one is ugly.

Thank God.

Originally Posted by Dante55555

We nerfed assault pistol.

Elaborate. It's speed needs to be decreased dramatically, that is a the key culprit in its overpoweredness.

Originally Posted by Dante55555

BR does 14, not that big of a difference.

Then it's not that big of a difference if you increase it to 15, is it?

Originally Posted by Dante55555

Why does RR need to go? Green Rifle needs to go x-x

They both do. Sloppy rehashed edits of ultimately the same weapon.

Originally Posted by Dante55555

What do you suggest a price for permanent weapons? Keep in mind Stefan and his love of Gelats. We can only do so much before he just says "no".

Then don't make threads like these. Hmm, well the silencer should be permanent and retain the same price. It's just that since you haven't made any decent updates which require Zone cash, people are overloaded with cash. You reap what you sow, although after a while this cash frenzy would die down.

Originally Posted by Dante55555

I will hold several polls to remove things on Zone, hotkeys included.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Dante55555

Can ask Stefan about it.

Unless he is completely ignorant, he shoud allow it, guild tags aren't that big of a thing now that he has his gelats.

Originally Posted by Dante55555

I still don't think RPs and the like should be permanent.

Why ever not? They are far too common now and if you really don't want them being permanent, lengthen the time to something like 3-6 months.

Originally Posted by Dante55555

Agreed. Will have a poll to see whether or not they want them removed.

Wow, for all you Athiests out there, this is proof that a God does exist.

Originally Posted by Dante55555

Will change them back.

Make sure you know what you are doing. Get Steve to test them out and see if they regain the same sort of feel that they had back in v3.

[bahamutstevetff]

Originally Posted by Huwajux

Make sure you know what you are doing. Get Steve to test them out and see if they regain the same sort of feel that they had back in v3.

i dont know if they where edited in v3 or v4, im just remembering v2 with the little green cat box across the bottom when i didnt know you could chat with tag

[Dante55555]

Can add the "You killed such and such" back. I miss it too.

Originally Posted by Huwajux

Elaborate. It's speed needs to be decreased dramatically, that is a the key culprit in its overpoweredness.

The power was halved, Dark. That should be enough. I haven't recieved any complaints lately, at least

Then it's not that big of a difference if you increase it to 15, is it?

No, but I'm saying it's not that big of a difference. Can make a note to raise it back later.

They both do. Sloppy rehashed edits of ultimately the same weapon.

Will ask Dan what he thinks. I don't think I'm authorized to go gung ho and delete weapons.

Hmm, well the silencer should be permanent and retain the same price. It's just that since you haven't made any decent updates which require Zone cash, people are overloaded with cash. You reap what you sow, although after a while this cash frenzy would die down.

I will talk with Dan and Stefan, but I give no guarantees. Something like that is ultimately up to Stefan.

Unless he is completely ignorant, he shoud allow it, guild tags aren't that big of a thing now that he has his gelats.

Will see.

Why ever not? They are far too common now and if you really don't want them being permanent, lengthen the time to something like 3-6 months.

Ok, can extend time.

Make sure you know what you are doing. Get Steve to test them out and see if they regain the same sort of feel that they had back in v3.

I did notice that you sort of freeze, I didn't remember that in Old Zone.

Will take care of it.

[DeathOfRa]

For gods sake, what the hell happened to the cookies? >:[

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by DeathOfRa

For gods sake, what the hell happened to the cookies? >:[

They are gone, trust me, it's for the better. Notice the increase in medics?

[DeathOfRa]

Originally Posted by Huwajux

They are gone, trust me, it's for the better. Notice the increase in medics?

Yeah cookies were convienent for getting rid of poison...

On another note, the new weapon gui failed when they brought it out. I liked the old one because you could use it with arrow keys alot faster.

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by DeathOfRa

Yeah cookies were convienent for getting rid of poison...

On another note, the new weapon gui failed when they brought it out. I liked the old one because you could use it with arrow keys alot faster.

I've already suggested that some 'Antidote' be created to deal with the poison issue. You're learning how to play in the good ol' days, when we were slimed we would slowly try to escape from the enemy until it wore off.

The old GUI was awesome, I agree. I admire the staff's attempt for customizability but it is too complex to do it and the old GUI just fitted in with Zone.

[bahamutstevetff]

Originally Posted by DeathOfRa

Yeah cookies were convienent for getting rid of poison...

On another note, the new weapon gui failed when they brought it out. I liked the old one because you could use it with arrow keys alot faster.

much agreed, and it didnt take up 3/4 of your screen either.

also...i miss pipebombs and gass grenades, and buying ammo from the shop...im not going to fork out £2 odd for 1 month of 800 plasma ammo when i could have a dr pepper from the stores... we should put them back..

edit: side note, what is the point of the weapon hand system (like rifles 2hander etc, can switch between 1 pistol and a grenade) with the hotkey sisper about so you can switch between any weapon at will...the whole hotkey system seemed to negate that perfectly good hand system.

[DeathOfRa]

Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

much agreed, and it didnt take up 3/4 of your screen either.

also...i miss pipebombs and gass grenades, and buying ammo from the shop...im not going to fork out £2 odd for 1 month of 800 plasma ammo when i could have a dr pepper from the stores... we should put them back..

I second that. Pipes were also useful for when people would plasmasabre strafe in base1 D:

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff

much agreed, and it didnt take up 3/4 of your screen either.

also...i miss pipebombs and gass grenades, and buying ammo from the shop...im not going to fork out £2 odd for 1 month of 800 plasma ammo when i could have a dr pepper from the stores... we should put them back..

What? Extensions to your maximum ammo is timed?

[bahamutstevetff]

maybe we could split up spar and alpha, because newbies proberly spend months thinking "i wonder why its called alpha-spar" then oneday the happen to come across this teleporter hidden in the bottom corner of the map, that takes them to some random desolate map where none ever plays. alpha was so fun back in the day.

[DeathOfRa]

If I may, I paid like 16k for my godamn Photon and I didn't pay for it just so the people can cry and have it gain RR's former power. Its supposed to be the strongest, which is why it has 10 shots per round opposed to the normal Plasmarifle series which has 20 shots. If you're going to nerf something, nerf it right.

Or I'll find you.

Oya, even the Gelat shop says
"Photon Cannon

<br>

The Photon Cannon is the most powerful plasma rifle. It has a rapid fire mode and charge beam.<br><br>
<b>Price: 55 Gelats<br>
<b>It lasts: 1 month"

[Dante55555]

Originally Posted by DeathOfRa

stuff

It is still the most powerful rifle (at least I think it is; Dan may have changed something while I wasn't looking), it is still lame.

Everyone complained constantly about how lame it was and then Dan noticed how strong it was and decided to lower its power.

[Nataxo]

=/

this thread is for oldbies..to bring back Zone...

*turns to the door and leaves*

[Dante55555]

Originally Posted by Nataxo

=/

this thread is for oldbies..to bring back Zone...

*turns to the door and leaves*

Old Zone had 100+ players, they were doing something right.

But in all honesty, I just want people to have as much fun as I did back in the day. I summed up what this thread was about in the first post.

[Nataxo]

Originally Posted by Dante55555

Old Zone had 100+ players, they were doing something right.

But in all honesty, I just want people to have as much fun as I did back in the day. I summed up what this thread was about in the first post.

I'll probably understand you if i playd those years of "glory" but i didn't so i barely have a picture about it...

though lets hope the best and see what happens

[Dante55555]

Originally Posted by Nataxo

I'll probably understand you if i playd those years of "glory" but i didn't so i barely have a picture about it...

though lets hope the best and see what happens

You don't have to have played in Old Zone. I did not say in the beginning of the thread "I want you all to compare New Zone to Old Zone". No, I want to know any problems you find in Zone's gameplay and what we can do to improve it.

And really anything else that is related to making Zone better. Suggestions for new updates, anything..

[Bline_spoted]

Dante I'll help you out I like zone and I hope it get popular again and people respect how much hard work has been done to create zone I'm just one of those people that like to help out

[Schetti]

I am sorry, if someone said this allrdy, or if I did, but I cant see it so...
What about giving more exp to players if their team won?
Or maybe you get the exp if you kill someone in the Iricia Jail?
OR
A small exp bonus(1.x% more exp) for 1-2 minutes?
We first would need to bring people to FIGHT for the WIN, not for the exp.
Exp you get ways better if you lame HQ like all do.
Why someone should fight for base1 if they could lame?
We could also give a higher bounty count if someones staying or killing someone while hes staying at b1. I can remember the time, you jetpacked to B1 with another one, 1 went into bunker, and get proxed while the next goes in 2 seconds later and survives.
THAT was teamplaying, and now all just want get kill the noob at HQ whos got no jetpack.
B1 fight isnt that hard to get back, if we just know the right updates.
I really like this Bot idea inside ones HQ who only hurts enemys.

[pico57]

WHAt was better in old zone? wat made playercount so high?
Any one know?

[DeathOfRa]

Originally Posted by pico57

WHAt was better in old zone? wat made playercount so high?
Any one know?

Well, trials got reset, every class was free, people didn't cry like they do now because it actually was fun as opposed to now where people lame to get kills. Iricia was always a battle for Base One. Dante can honestly fill you in on the details if you want to know.

Originally Posted by Dante55555

You don't have to have played in Old Zone. I did not say in the beginning of the thread "I want you all to compare New Zone to Old Zone". No, I want to know any problems you find in Zone's gameplay and what we can do to improve it.

And really anything else that is related to making Zone better. Suggestions for new updates, anything..

/delete newzone
/revive oldzone

Epic improvement mahnnn

[bahamutstevetff]

Originally Posted by DeathOfRa

/delete newzone
/revive oldzone

Epic improvement mahnnn

unfortunatelt it wouldnt happen because of the new players D;

[pico57]

Originally Posted by DeathOfRa

Well, trials got reset, every class was free, people didn't cry like they do now because it actually was fun as opposed to now where people lame to get kills. Iricia was always a battle for Base One. Dante can honestly fill you in on the details if you want to know.

o i see. ur old zone, is about 2005/2006... when i started, and i stoped because of non-save for trials...

that sux... because if u are trial all ur stats Are NUL! (0k/0d) evrytime u come deconnecte...
that must stay this thing... that why in new Zone, Save for trial is better...

[Schetti]

Originally Posted by pico57

that sux... because if u are trial all ur stats Are NUL! (0k/0d) evrytime u come deconnecte...
that must stay this thing... that why in new Zone, Save for trial is better...

umm...
well, saving is not that good, cuz some players think, OHH cool, I can make a noob char for awsome killd/death rating and I save it, YUHUU! lets go and dont die
Much players to that, and let the gold accounts stay somewhere. 1 account should be eneugh for all, exept u get hacked all time.
Thats what I think

[bahamutstevetff]

well trials didnt get to save before but they got to use the fast classes. maybe its just me but i would prefare to be reset every time i log out and be able to play the game properly than save but unable to play as i want. a lot of trials agree with me too.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Dante55555

rant

this explained it PERFECTLY!
if i could +rep you i would









i remember using my good old g18s & smg......


& i remember loading all the area around b5 and b1 with proximines, and then someone would come and set them ALL off, and id get so mad.

[Schetti]

I miss the events for perm weaps, I didnt see staffs hosting DS gun event(not DS for perm just DSgun) long time, or did they and I just wasnt on?