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Old 11-24-2007, 06:31 AM
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I don't think I'm gonna renew my gold.

Why? Apparently it doesn't mean all that much.

I've got this trial running around HH with me. His speed is higher then me, he has better gear then me, he has an event sword I haven't even SEEN out of the debug server. He's got tons of spells, including several good ones.

I know I'm not exactly the most aggressive player. Not like I hunt lords for hours on end, or farm diamonds for days on end. That and I waste time doing stuff like gathering/making obscure food items and all that, however when trials start running around with better gear then some oldbies, that bugs me. Even if that particular one was the alt of another character, I have seen true noob trials trading blocks of diamonds bigger then what it took to enchant my weapons.

Seriously? Why bother paying for gold anymore?
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Old 11-24-2007, 06:38 AM
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Old 11-24-2007, 01:42 PM
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Just usd your items and buy a house and two hummers of the money..

No seriously.. I don't think that GK offers anything for people who didn't get rare Items in time..
Yet there are some good servers to be out soon, check mine out.
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Old 11-24-2007, 02:29 PM
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Just usd your items and buy a house and two hummers of the money..

No seriously.. I don't think that GK offers anything for people who didn't get rare Items in time..
Yet there are some good servers to be out soon, check mine out.
Stop advertising

This makes me sad... i have 69 days left of Kingdoms gold, and i'm just getting more and more reasons NOT to re-subscribe. I don't think the problem is rare items Dark, i think it's that a trial now has more abilities than they ever had before, and that those abilities rival us paying members... Trials should be low levelled, newbie items, no saving of items, A MORE INDEPTH GUIDE PLEASE. Basically they should be nowhere near a paying member, regardless of his/her social standard / level of wealth. One of my biggest suppliers of rubies/maps was a trial, and i'm sure i poured over 100 diamonds into his pocket... He's a nice kid n'all but jeez, HE DIDNT FING PAY.
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:59 PM
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:56 PM
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Seriously? Why bother paying for gold anymore?
-insert my hay-unixmad-give-people-a-reason-to-upgrade comment here-
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:39 PM
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-insert the soon comment that would follow-

though seriously I have been on Login and it seems that unixmad and Stefan are doing some stuff with graal because they have told me they are busy doing stuff with graal so some stuff to follow... just keep an eye out
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:45 PM
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We've been waiting since like 2004.
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they are behind? just give them their due time mate... I am sure everyone will be pleased
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Yeah, until then people have no reason to upgrade. So why should they be expected to?
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:03 PM
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Yeah, until then people have no reason to upgrade. So why should they be expected to?
the only reason to update is to keep active, if they go with some ideals I might bring forth to them would be a nice addition.... I just wont say my ideals
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:09 PM
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Normally people on Graal complain that trials have not enough limits..
Currently trials:
- cannot join kingdoms
- cannot build their own house
- don't win event items
- are switched to the observer mode at login and from time to time

The observer mode limit should eventually changed to something where trials are limited in levels and customization of their character.
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:17 PM
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I wanna upgrade. I don't see any reason not to. It's not too expensive.

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Old 11-25-2007, 02:13 AM
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Normally people on Graal complain that trials have not enough limits..
Currently trials:
- cannot join kingdoms
- cannot build their own house
- don't win event items
- are switched to the observer mode at login and from time to time

The observer mode limit should eventually changed to something where trials are limited in levels and customization of their character.
1: No but that isn't really a discouraging thing. Trials can still participate indirectly with kingdom affairs, and while I applaud you for making Graal one of the few (or only) online games that actually HAS player run kingdoms with their own land, the game content and player counts limit the leaders and the players. Graal is not the only game I play. Even loose unofficial guilds on other games have more options, more performance, and more options then one of our kingdoms does. Trials aren't really missing out on that much.
2: Yes, they can unless you limited that REALLY recently. I know one that owns three houses on Forest. He's also got his own Alamo fort around them. He also has one of the most successful shops I've seen down near the forest docks.
3: No but they can buy them like candy. I repeat, I see trials trading blocks of diamonds bigger then what I've ever held at any given time. What finally broke my back was seeing a trial running around with a sword I've been dearly wanting since I saw it on debug, but I couldn't even figure out if one even EXISTED on the main server. Whether they can win them or not, seems to have little effect on whether or not they can actually get them.
4: I started a trial for the heck of it. See what it was like. I've got bad news for you. The Observer Mode is pretty weak. Whenever it hit I went and surfed webcomics or looked up demotivators until it passed.

That, and if trials can surpass even advanced players within a week of starting, they're going to have zero desire to upgrade. Well, maybe a little, REAL little, if they have money to burn and don't realize that there's so little overall content.

I would like to propose a few simple restrictions that I believe will greatly improve the situation.

1: Trials cannot enter the haunted houses. (The dungeon is big and dangerous enough to keep them occupied. This also limits their access to the real moneymakers on the server, limiting just how successful they can be.)
2: Trials cannot choose gods. (Doesn't mean they can't get blessed weapons but it might slow them down, and it would prevent them from getting Bile's +100 sustennance which would be a huge advantage for any real starter.)
3: Trials cannot add slots to weapons.

And if you want to be real mean -
4: Trials cannot learn skills other then the ones they start with.

These don't all have to be used, but they'll strike directly at the more advanced and long-term development.
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Old 11-25-2007, 08:21 AM
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1: No but that isn't really a discouraging thing. Trials can still participate indirectly with kingdom affairs, and while I applaud you for making Graal one of the few (or only) online games that actually HAS player run kingdoms with their own land, the game content and player counts limit the leaders and the players. Graal is not the only game I play. Even loose unofficial guilds on other games have more options, more performance, and more options then one of our kingdoms does. Trials aren't really missing out on that much.
2: Yes, they can unless you limited that REALLY recently. I know one that owns three houses on Forest. He's also got his own Alamo fort around them. He also has one of the most successful shops I've seen down near the forest docks.
3: No but they can buy them like candy. I repeat, I see trials trading blocks of diamonds bigger then what I've ever held at any given time. What finally broke my back was seeing a trial running around with a sword I've been dearly wanting since I saw it on debug, but I couldn't even figure out if one even EXISTED on the main server. Whether they can win them or not, seems to have little effect on whether or not they can actually get them.
4: I started a trial for the heck of it. See what it was like. I've got bad news for you. The Observer Mode is pretty weak. Whenever it hit I went and surfed webcomics or looked up demotivators until it passed.

That, and if trials can surpass even advanced players within a week of starting, they're going to have zero desire to upgrade. Well, maybe a little, REAL little, if they have money to burn and don't realize that there's so little overall content.

I would like to propose a few simple restrictions that I believe will greatly improve the situation.

1: Trials cannot enter the haunted houses. (The dungeon is big and dangerous enough to keep them occupied. This also limits their access to the real moneymakers on the server, limiting just how successful they can be.)
2: Trials cannot choose gods. (Doesn't mean they can't get blessed weapons but it might slow them down, and it would prevent them from getting Bile's +100 sustennance which would be a huge advantage for any real starter.)
3: Trials cannot add slots to weapons.

And if you want to be real mean -
4: Trials cannot learn skills other then the ones they start with.

These don't all have to be used, but they'll strike directly at the more advanced and long-term development.
Have you thought of people that been playing that are now a trial?

Ex:Pat

This would make them start over i supose? or what..
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