Basic NO PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE TUTORIALS

[pooper200000]

Are there any basic tutorials for learning GS2? When I say basic I mean have absolutely NO previous knowledge of GS2 at all. I have found no tutorials on the wiki/this forum/ sklyds(Well his site doesn't work) that explain the basics. Does anyone know any tutorial that may help with the very very basics?

[Switch]

Yeah Supernanny and I were talking on Zone about this and we seriously need to know THE VERY BASICS of GS2. That's how much we know: NADA TING!

[cbk1994]

The basics of GS2 can be learned on either of the wikis! They require no previous knowledge! If you know GS1, that will help. If you don't, maybe you want to learn the basics in GS1, then come back to the tutorial. I strongly suggest you take a class on Java or C++, it will clear this up for you a lot!

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

The basics of GS2 can be learned on either of the wikis! They require no previous knowledge! If you know GS1, that will help. If you don't, maybe you want to learn the basics in GS1, then come back to the tutorial. I strongly suggest you take a class on Java or C++, it will clear this up for you a lot!

I've asked you which ones you thought were good because Ive tryed 3 and none of them have helped me I still don't understand it a bit. Could someone post some of the most basic Explanatory ones because I am having a great deal of difficulty finding them if they are there. O and on the classes note what type of classes?

[Switch]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

I've asked you which ones you thought were good because Ive tryed 3 and none of them have helped me I still don't understand it a bit. Could someone post some of the most basic Explanatory ones because I am having a great deal of difficulty finding them if they are there. O and on the classes note what type of classes?

Basically he means:
Don't expect us to know ANYTHING! Instead, expect us to know NOTHING. No commands, nada, zip.

[Skyld]

Unfortunately the VIP hosting is down at the moment, and so is my GScript Wiki. I'll see if I can get it fixed.

[Rapidwolve]

Originally Posted by Skyld

Unfortunately the VIP hosting is down at the moment, and so is my GScript Wiki. I'll see if I can get it fixed.

Yeah I know, I am a regular user of your wiki. Was getting ready to contribute more functions but it was down.

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by Rapidwolve

Yeah I know, I am a regular user of your wiki. Was getting ready to contribute more functions but it was down.

I've let Stefan know about it being down, he'll see if unixmad can look at it tomorrow.

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by Rapidwolve

Yeah I know, I am a regular user of your wiki. Was getting ready to contribute more functions but it was down.

It seems to be back up now!

http://skyld.vip.graal.net/

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Skyld

It seems to be back up now!

http://skyld.vip.graal.net/

Yay!

[Rapidwolve]

Originally Posted by Gerami

gscript 2 is just more confusing for nublets (hell it confuses me). experiment offline with gscript 1 to learn the basics then move on to gscript 2.

im sure im one of the few here who has this opinion though

I also anyone who wants to learn how to GScript should start with GS1, this way they can get all the practice they want and its offline so they can't do any harm to a server. Converting from GS1 to GS2 is really easy, so once you got GS1 down you pretty much have GS2 down, atleast thats how it was for me.

Originally Posted by Skyld

It seems to be back up now!

http://skyld.vip.graal.net/

Yay

[JkWhoSaysNi]

Originally Posted by Rapidwolve

I also anyone who wants to learn how to GScript should start with GS1, this way they can get all the practice they want and its offline so they can't do any harm to a server. Converting from GS1 to GS2 is really easy, so once you got GS1 down you pretty much have GS2 down, atleast thats how it was for me.



Yay

GS1 is harder to learn though because the function names are horrible and it doesn't support strings decently. I still have to look up the function names every time I read a GS1 script.

GS2 is far easier to learn and it's what they'll need to know anyway. Why bother learning something that's already outdated? Not only that, all the stuff on the both the graal bible and Skyld's wiki have GS2 examples and few (if any?) GS1 examples.

CREATED is when the weapon is first initialized or updated.

Nope. onInitialized is when the weapon/npc is first created by the NPC server. The onCreated function is called whenever the NPC is created or updated.

[Switch]

No, I mean, C++ Takes a LONG time, so I hear. We mean ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTING KNOWLEGE!

[Switch]

I found one that -SORTA- works... just gets you a bit started...
http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Crea...e#Introduction

[killerogue]

PHP Code:

function onCreated()
{
  player.chat = "Stuff.";
} 


If you can't even figure that out, you haven't even attempted to learn anything on your own.

http://wiki.graal.net

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Switch

I found one that -SORTA- works... just gets you a bit started...
http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Crea...e#Introduction

thats the one!

Originally Posted by killerogue

PHP Code:

function onCreated()
{
  player.chat = "Stuff.";
} 


If you can't even figure that out, you haven't even attempted to learn anything on your own.

http://wiki.graal.net

I guess Im stupid. I spent 3 hours trying to figure it out and am still lost...

[Switch]

Originally Posted by killerogue

PHP Code:

function onCreated()
{
  player.chat = "Stuff.";
} 


If you can't even figure that out, you haven't even attempted to learn anything on your own.

http://wiki.graal.net

I'm just gonna guess here:
The player chats "Stuff"? And I'm guessing that you have to touch some invisible NPC in a level OR it has to be fired as a weapon..? :P

Yea I still don't get much of the http://wiki.graal.net, just most of it from the top to 3/4 down xD

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Switch

I'm just gonna guess here:
The player chats "Stuff"? And I'm guessing that you have to touch some invisible NPC in a level OR it has to be fired as a weapon..? :P

Yea I still don't get much of the http://wiki.graal.net, just most of it from the top to 3/4 down xD

What part of onCREATED is so hard to understand? -_-

[Skyld]

I started writing http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Crea...pt_for_Dummies ages ago, however I did not ever finish it.

[DustyPorViva]

Just because people don't grasp it as easy as others doesn't mean they haven't tried. Some people can't learn by dissecting a script and understanding it like others. Sometimes they have to be explained things on a simple level. Sometimes they have no knowledge of how scripting/coding works. How are they supposed to know to make sure to enclose each function/if in parenthesis unless they've been taught that. How about knowing to enclose strings in quotes, or even what a string is. Or that each command has to be ended with a semi-colon?
These things just aren't 'grasped' by seeing things for everyone, sometimes they have to be explained, and to be honest, the wiki seems a little bit hard to browse, especially if you don't know what you're really looking for.

[PrinceOfKenshin]

I guess the problem is...as it the same with me that we don't need the basic info on it but just how to apply certain things.

Forexample:

NPC Code:

---

abs(float)

arctan(float) - arcus tangens

char(ascii) - gets the character for an ascii code (char(65) returns 'A')

cos(angle) - cosinus of a radiant angle

exp(float)

float(string) - for explicitely converting a string 

  to number (normally done automatically though

  when accessing a string with numeric operators)

format(format,parameters,...) - formats a "%s %d" string, 

  inserts the parameters, and returns a string

getangle(delta x,delta y)

getdir(delta x,delta y) - returns 0 for up, 1 for left, 

  2 for down, 3 for right

int(a) - gets the integer part of a floating point number

log(base,a)

max(a,b)

min(a,b)

printf(format,parameters,...) - same as 

  echo(format(format,parameters,...))

random(rangestart,rangeend)

sin(angle) - sinus of a radiant angle

sleep(time) - suspends the current script for some time

vecx(direction 0..3)

vecy(direction 0..3)

waitfor(objectname,event[,timeout]) - suspends the current script

---

all that yea sure it tells me what it is but how do i apply that to make it work in a script. Some things in there i understand like the obvious ones. The only other language i know is Visual Basics so im not use to programming an object oriented langauge.

Like what am i going to use arctan(float) for? stuff like that is confussing to people.

[killerogue]

Originally Posted by PrinceOfKenshin

I guess the problem is...as it the same with me that we don't need the basic info on it but just how to apply certain things.

Forexample:

NPC Code:

---

abs(float)

arctan(float) - arcus tangens

char(ascii) - gets the character for an ascii code (char(65) returns 'A')

cos(angle) - cosinus of a radiant angle

exp(float)

float(string) - for explicitely converting a string 

  to number (normally done automatically though

  when accessing a string with numeric operators)

format(format,parameters,...) - formats a "%s %d" string, 

  inserts the parameters, and returns a string

getangle(delta x,delta y)

getdir(delta x,delta y) - returns 0 for up, 1 for left, 

  2 for down, 3 for right

int(a) - gets the integer part of a floating point number

log(base,a)

max(a,b)

min(a,b)

printf(format,parameters,...) - same as 

  echo(format(format,parameters,...))

random(rangestart,rangeend)

sin(angle) - sinus of a radiant angle

sleep(time) - suspends the current script for some time

vecx(direction 0..3)

vecy(direction 0..3)

waitfor(objectname,event[,timeout]) - suspends the current script

---

all that yea sure it tells me what it is but how do i apply that to make it work in a script. Some things in there i understand like the obvious ones. The only other language i know is Visual Basics so im not use to programming an object oriented langauge.

Like what am i going to use arctan(float) for? stuff like that is confussing to people.

You shouldn't really be focusing on trying to memorize or even understand all the functions of GS2.

It's not all about memorizing everything.

[DustyPorViva]

Sadly I find the wiki lacking one thing(I've yet to see skyld's though), and that is actually what goes in commands. All it tells you is if it's a floating, integer, or string. That doesn't really help much...

Anyways, for Switch:

PHP Code:

function onCreated() 
{
  player.chat = "Stuff.";
} 


function onCreated() // This is a function. Before GS2, things like this were called in events. Basically, if it happened, execute any code in the parenthesis. In GS1, it would be if (created) {}, but all that changed in GS2. Events were translated into their own functions. So basically this means, when the NPC is created, execute everything in the parenthesis.

{...} // As explained above, parenthesis are closed around any amount of commands executed when an event is called. All commands must be executed with an event/function and closed inside parenthesis.

player.chat = "Stuff."; // player.* is associated with anything for the player. This can be player.hearts, for their hearts, player.ap, for their ap, player.x, for their x coordinate, and so on. So, taking that, and taking the knowledge that = is assign, means that you are assigning something to the player's chat, which means you'll force them to say something. "Stuff." is a string. A string is alphanumerical. That means anything not a variable, floating value, integer, has to be enclosed in quotes, or else it won't be assigned. If you want to get basic, text has to be in quotes. And lastly, the semi-colon has to be after every command. Anytime you do 'something' end it with a semi-colon before you move onto the next thing.

[Rapidwolve]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Sadly I find the wiki lacking one thing(I've yet to see skyld's though), and that is actually what goes in commands. All it tells you is if it's a floating, integer, or string. That doesn't really help much...

Anyways, for Switch:

PHP Code:

function onCreated() 
{
  player.chat = "Stuff.";
} 


function onCreated() // This is a function. Before GS2, things like this were called in events. Basically, if it happened, execute any code in the parenthesis. In GS1, it would be if (created) {}, but all that changed in GS2. Events were translated into their own functions. So basically this means, when the NPC is created, execute everything in the parenthesis.

{...} // As explained above, parenthesis are closed around any amount of commands executed when an event is called. All commands must be executed with an event/function and closed inside parenthesis.

player.chat = "Stuff."; // player.* is associated with anything for the player. This can be player.hearts, for their hearts, player.ap, for their ap, player.x, for their x coordinate, and so on. So, taking that, and taking the knowledge that = is assign, means that you are assigning something to the player's chat, which means you'll force them to say something. "Stuff." is a string. A string is alphanumerical. That means anything not a variable, floating value, integer, has to be enclosed in quotes, or else it won't be assigned. If you want to get basic, text has to be in quotes. And lastly, the semi-colon has to be after every command. Anytime you do 'something' end it with a semi-colon before you move onto the next thing.

The world would be a better place if there were more people like you.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by killerogue

The main issue I had with that was...you claimed to be a scripter. But if you can't actually script anything, you ARE NOT a scripter.

Kind of like you when you started, eh?

Maybe you shouldnt be so quick to talk down to people when you "came up" the same way they are trying.

Originally Posted by gambetsposts

.

you ever get tired of doing that?

[Rapidwolve]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Kind of like you when you started, eh?

Maybe you shouldnt be so quick to talk down to people when you "came up" the same way they are trying.

Well put

[killerogue]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Kind of like you when you started, eh?

Maybe you shouldnt be so quick to talk down to people when you "came up" the same way they are trying.



you ever get tired of doing that?

I never claimed I was good scripter. >_> Nor a scripter when I couldn't script anything. IF anything I was eager to learn, lazy to do anything.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by killerogue

I never claimed I was good scripter. >_> Nor a scripter when I couldn't script anything. IF anything I was eager to learn, lazy to do anything.

I was hoping you would pay more attention to the talking down to people part, or does this not seem familer?

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=67451

All im saying is, when you yourself were having trouble, you looked for help and expected it/would hide behind the whole "im new" thing. When people would flame you for how bad you were, did you not get upset? So why would you in turn do that exact same thing to a new scripter? Give them a chance to learn, its not fluid for some people, and eventually they may realise its not for them.

Encourage not Discourage

[killerogue]

Well, in all honesty. I completely agree with you. And I do because a while back, I had to take a test in a program right before the school year started to determine what is the easiest way for me to learn.

I am a dependent learner, in which I mean that it's hard for me to learn something unless someone explains it or I have been taught it by someone else.

Now, unless I'm not mistaken...Isn't Switch an honors student, or so he's bragged before?

And in his signature did it not say, "Became an ok scripter blah blah"?

I'm almost sure he isn't mentally deficient, or lacking mentally in any areas. So I don't think it would be that hard for him to read that section of the wiki and understand events. I did...and I average below a 3.0 for the time being.

Pooper, I will retract my comment about him/her because I know nothing about him/her.

[Switch]

Originally Posted by killerogue

Well, in all honesty. I completely agree with you. And I do because a while back, I had to take a test in a program right before the school year started to determine what is the easiest way for me to learn.

I am a dependent learner, in which I mean that it's hard for me to learn something unless someone explains it or I have been taught it by someone else.

Now, unless I'm not mistaken...Isn't Switch an honors student, or so he's bragged before?

And in his signature did it not say, "Became an ok scripter blah blah"?

I'm almost sure he isn't mentally deficient, or lacking mentally in any areas. So I don't think it would be that hard for him to read that section of the wiki and understand events..

I AM an honors student, but just like you, I'm a dependent learner. I NEVER learn ANYTHING from reading if I don't discuss with anyone.

The signature I took out. Plus, it was only that I could fix some small things x.x

In the wiki, it doesn't explain everything or answer my questions, which is basically the main reason I have troubles with tutorials x.x

[killerogue]

Originally Posted by Switch

Crap

The main issue I had with that was...you claimed to be a scripter. But if you can't actually script anything, you ARE NOT a scripter.

Other stuff...

Oh? Post your questions here and I'll answer them best I can.

[DustyPorViva]

Ya, I find myself looking up commands and stuff a lot when I script
You should just focus on remembering the clockworks of scripting, as then you'll turn a 1000 piece puzzle into those puzzles for toddlers that the pieces fit into predefined shapes for the kid, and all you have to do is fill in the blanks, even if you have to look for what to fill them in with first.

[Switch]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Ya, I find myself looking up commands and stuff a lot when I script
You should just focus on remembering the clockworks of scripting, as then you'll turn a 1000 piece puzzle into those puzzles for toddlers that the pieces fit into predefined shapes for the kid, and all you have to do is fill in the blanks, even if you have to look for what to fill them in with first.

Except I can't even remember those 'cause I don't get all of it

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Skyld

I started writing http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Crea...pt_for_Dummies ages ago, however I did not ever finish it.

thanks! I get that somewhat well actually.

Originally Posted by killerogue

Well, in all honesty. I completely agree with you. And I do because a while back, I had to take a test in a program right before the school year started to determine what is the easiest way for me to learn.I am a dependent learner, in which I mean that it's hard for me to learn something unless someone explains it or I have been taught it by someone else.
Pooper, I will retract my comment about him because I know nothing about him.

Lol. I average a 4.25 at gpa. Im an honors student. I just don't understand this. I guess I am "Mentally deficient". Honors is what it is cracked up to be. I am extremely challenged in math though. I may be in honors but I have a tutor in that. So I guess I am slow life. I would still like to try to understand it. Who was it that guessed I was in 8th grade. They are right. Im in algebra 2 though.... not trying to act superior because im not I don't get this.

Originally Posted by killerogue

Other stuff...

Oh? Post your questions here and I'll answer them best I can.

Thanks! I will. I just am challenged youll probaly start laughing so hard you might need to be knocked out youll laugh so hard at how stupid I sound. I know Im not a scripter but Ill work at it.

[killerogue]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

thanks! I get that somewhat well actually.

Lol. I average a 4.25 at gpa. Im an honors student. I just don't understand this. I guess I am "Mentally deficient". Honors is what it is cracked up to be. I am extremely challenged in math though. I may be in honors but I have a tutor in that. So I guess I am slow life. I would still like to try to understand it. Who was it that guessed I was in 8th grade. They are right. Im in algebra 2 though.... not trying to act superior because im not I don't get this.

Thanks! I will. I just am challenged youll probaly start laughing so hard you might need to be knocked out youll laugh so hard at how stupid I sound. I know Im not a scripter but Ill work at it.

Just AIM me.

[killerogue]

Originally Posted by Switch

Except I can't even remember those 'cause I don't get all of it

YOU DON'T NEED TO GET ALL OF SCRIPTING. I guarantee you noone here knows everything about Gscript2. It isn't about how much you can memorize and use straight from memory without doing research. It's about how you do research, what you find, and how you use what you find.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by killerogue

I guarantee you noone here knows everything about Gscript2.

Stefan does!

[Deadly_Killer]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Stefan does!

Debatable

[DustyPorViva]

I see him post 'I think' sometimes when answering scripting questions :P

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I see him post 'I think' sometimes when answering scripting questions :P

But he's always right.