Ngra?

[CidNight1142]

I know this idea has been suggested before. I thought it would just be a really cool way for the talented members of graal's development community to show off their skills in multiple areas.

How about a Non Graal Related Art forum? As of right now people put sketches, photography, etc in the graphics forum, for lack of a better place. But, how about a place for writing, music, or graphical arts that can have nothing to do with graal. Just a place for the already talented and vibrant artistic graal community to really show off their stuff.

What do you guys think?

[Darlene159]

It would be better to have it in the private NGR, as you can have non-graal related links there.
Maybe name it "The Lounge Art Studio"?
or something...

[CidNight1142]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

It would be better to have it in the private NGR, as you can have non-graal related links there.

Definately would need external links if you want to link to your music, movies, pictures, art, etc. So a private forum would be a good call.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Maybe name it "The Lounge Art Studio"?
or something...

Sure, I'm all for a trendy title.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

It would be better to have it in the private NGR, as you can have non-graal related links there.
Maybe name it "The Lounge Art Studio"?
or something...

I agree.

This area of development is for graal development. Last time I checked people don't make playerworlds out of photos and poems.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I agree.

This area of development is for graal development. Last time I checked people don't make playerworlds out of photos and poems.

Well, obviously it's slanted more towards graphics and such. Or atleast I should hope it has, since it was one of my goals!

Regardless I feel that external linking shouldn't apply here - for images. Otherwise, linking to external servers for webpages, etc, will still be against the rules.

I think that, under the current circumstances, users should just post any artwork which would be too mature for this forum in the private forum. Although, as it is, I can't imagine what kind of art that would be unless it included words. Otherwise it would probably be considered pornographic in it's nature.

[CidNight1142]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

sweet

But how about those individuals who are talented in realms of art that aren't visual? Poetry, music, etc. Have they no place here on the graal forums? To create a thread of poetry in the NGRT or The Lounge would be just asking to be laughed at by the less than forgiving crowds in those parts. Why not have a special forum designated for the displaying of all types of art, since it is clearly a prevelant hobby of those frequenting these forums.

I'd have a hunch you'd end up with a mod spot ZH, as you were attempting to do this for visual arts in the graphics forum already.

[Elk]

I don't even have access to NGR...

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Elk

I don't even have access to NGR...

Private NGR

[Zero Hour]

Well, previously such things would have been posted in the non-graal related threads.

[Draenin]

I think it'd be a waste of space, considering that this section is titled Graphic Arts, which is broad, and even has the subheading, "Graal style, or YOUR style?"

This forum isn't really limited to graal art. That much should be obvious.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Draenin

I think it'd be a waste of space, considering that this section is titled Graphic Arts, which is broad, and even has the subheading, "Graal style, or YOUR style?"

This forum isn't really limited to graal art. That much should be obvious.

But it is for GRAPHIC ART, not other forms of art such as poetry, or music.

[Draenin]

Those would classify under 'Literature' and 'Music,' which we don't have categories for. I'd be all too happy to see those, because I'd like to share the stuff I write for my English classes and in my spare time.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Those would classify under 'Literature' and 'Music,' which we don't have categories for. I'd be all too happy to see those, because I'd like to share the stuff I write for my English classes and in my spare time.

hence why it would be cool to have an art forum within the private forum, one that can house any type of art.
I write poetry myself.

[Draenin]

But why do that when we already have an art forum that serves the same purpose? Unless you're doing tasteful nude art, (As distasteful is not permissible.) there's no reason why the general art forum should be privatized. It's a general forum. Nothing bad is posted on it in the first place, so categorizing it that way would be rather ill thought-out. It would be nice to have a forum called "The Arts" with 3 subforums within. One for Artwork, one for Literature, one for Music or Video. (Media) This should also be suggested in Future Improvements, as it will probably get nowhere if the subject is left here.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Draenin

But why do that when we already have an art forum that serves the same purpose?

Well...

How many photos do you take everyday related to Graal?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Draenin

But why do that when we already have an art forum that serves the same purpose? Unless you're doing tasteful nude art, (As distasteful is not permissible.) there's no reason why the general art forum should be privatized. It's a general forum. Nothing bad is posted on it in the first place, so categorizing it that way would be rather ill thought-out. It would be nice to have a forum called "The Arts" with 3 subforums within. One for Artwork, one for Literature, one for Music or Video. (Media) This should also be suggested in Future Improvements, as it will probably get nowhere if the subject is left here.

There is not currently an "art" forum.
There is a graphics forum which was made generally for graal graphics, but can also be used for other graphics. It is not a forum for all kinds of art.

I agree that links for graphics in that particular forum maybe should be allowed, but it is still a graphic forum, not an art forum.
I would like to see an art forum here in the private forum like the thread suggests for artists in general, not just graphics artists.
A place where artists can post links to their music, pictures, poetry, graphics, or whatever (within the rules, of course).

Personally, I would love to see the talent Graalians have.

On another note, I think the graphics forum should be a graal related graphics forum, and a forum here for other art.
There is barely any other art there anyway that is not graal related.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Well...

How many photos do you take everyday related to Graal?

How many photos do you take in a day, period?

I could understand if you were Zero or something, but most non graal related art posted here is not posted all that frequently. It's not because it isn't allowed, (As a matter of fact, it's encouraged.) but because doing works of that calibur usually take a good deal of time to prepare. Making forums for Art, Media, and Literature, would be all-encompassing, and would probably draw a lot of the threads littering NGRT into their proper places. There are so many threads that have been created that can fit into those sections.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Draenin

How many photos do you take in a day, period?

Once I get my hand on my friend's camera phone I don't stop. One day we saw a 360 modena and took tons of pictures :x

[Zero Hour]

Well, I skipped the majority of the last posts, but I agree - I guess there should be a place for litrature art, but the only way it would even become popular is if it's attached to the art forum. So I guess there should be a new art forum in the private foroums too?

But there should definately be a vote for the moderator.

[CidNight1142]

It's clearly a popular idea, but we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

We don't want it to be private. Because we want it to be right here connected to this forum. But, if we leave it here, it is subject to the no external link rule. Which will greatly limit our ability to actually use the forum constructively.

It being privatized, like The Lounge could be neat. It would give us creative control over membership within (as with The Lounge, there is some control over keeping out those that disrespect the art or are just there to make fun). Also, if it is allowed in The Lounge, we could potentially get the same treatment and be allowed to elect our own mods.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by CidNight1142

It's clearly a popular idea, but we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

We don't want it to be private. Because we want it to be right here connected to this forum. But, if we leave it here, it is subject to the no external link rule. Which will greatly limit our ability to actually use the forum constructively.

It being privatized, like The Lounge could be neat. It would give us creative control over membership within (as with The Lounge, there is some control over keeping out those that disrespect the art or are just there to make fun). Also, if it is allowed in The Lounge, we could potentially get the same treatment and be allowed to elect our own mods.

I think the pros outweigh the cons.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

There is not currently an "art" forum.

Oh? This is news to me.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

There is a graphics forum which was made generally for graal graphics, but can also be used for other graphics. It is not a forum for all kinds of art.

Please look at how those two sentences contradict each other. It's even worse that they're right next to each other.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I agree that links for graphics in that particular forum maybe should be allowed, but it is still a graphic forum, not an art forum.

Yes they should. Yes it is. If you don't believe me, look at the threads in this forum where people have posted (gasp) art.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I would like to see an art forum here in the private forum like the thread suggests for artists in general, not just graphics artists.

Please don't get the word 'graphics' and 'sprites' mixed up. This is a graphic arts forum. That is a broad categorization of any artwork which is captured digitally, be it sprites, photography, digital artwork, etc. Also, like I said before, there is no justifiable reason to have two artwork forums, one in general listings, and one in private, unless the works allowed in the private forums are ones that younger audiences shouldn't be viewing.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

There is barely any other art there anyway that is not graal related.

So why on earth would you make a forum for art that is rarely posted here anyway? That's a bit illogical. Seriously. Think about it.

Originally Posted by CidNight1142

It's clearly a popular idea, but we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

We don't want it to be private. Because we want it to be right here connected to this forum. But, if we leave it here, it is subject to the no external link rule. Which will greatly limit our ability to actually use the forum constructively.

Simple solution: Make the general entertainment section, as I suggested, and allow it to not be subjected to the 'no external linking' rule. It's not that hard. -_-

[Draenin]

Then another question arises. If you know you can post them here, why don't you post them? The simple answer would be that it is now not allowed. (Due to the offsite linking rule.) And the solution, of course, would be to enable posting of the links to them in the art forum.

If other categories were to be added as well, though, such as media and literature, they would be subjected to the same rule, and this discussion would begin anew, which is why it'd be a good idea to group them all under the same forum section, 'entertainment' and then have subforums beneath them. The ones within the entertainment section would need to be exempted from the no external linking rule, but moderated to an extent where the links are checked for content.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Then another question arises. If you know you can post them here, why don't you post them? The simple answer would be that it is now not allowed. (Due to the offsite linking rule.) And the solution, of course, would be to enable posting of the links to them in the art forum.

Wait, I was being retarded. Photos = graphic section so it would be normal. Offsite linking is ok as long as it's directly to picture and not a website. I think.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Then another question arises. If you know you can post them here, why don't you post them? The simple answer would be that it is now not allowed. (Due to the offsite linking rule.) And the solution, of course, would be to enable posting of the links to them in the art forum.

If other categories were to be added as well, though, such as media and literature, they would be subjected to the same rule, and this discussion would begin anew, which is why it'd be a good idea to group them all under the same forum section, 'entertainment' and then have subforums beneath them. The ones within the entertainment section would need to be exempted from the no external linking rule, but moderated to an extent where the links are checked for content.

As Gerami said, you are allowed to post pics as long as they are not linked.
As for the other stuff, that is what the new ngr was made for.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

that is what the new ngr was made for.

Lord that's open to interpretation. It's not that hard to say "Non-Graal Related" is it? :P

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Lord that's open to interpretation. It's not that hard to say "Non-Graal Related" is it? :P

Easier to say ngr. How you interpret it is your own problem. (You and your refering to the general public).

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Easier to say ngr. How you interpret it is your own problem. (You and your refering to the general public).

Clearly not an issue of how I interpret it, since I pointed out that it could be misinterpreted and made mention of the correct interpretation in my very short post.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

Lord that's open to interpretation. It's not that hard to say "Non-Graal Related" is it? :P

What? Are you kidding?
Most people say NGR, or NGRT (which isn't even correct because it is a forum, not a thread ).
I have never seen anyone have a problem with the abbreviation before, have you?
I think people are smart enough to see what is meant by the abbreviation.

[haunter]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

NGRT

Non-Graal Related Threads

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Wait, I was being retarded. Photos = graphic section so it would be normal. Offsite linking is ok as long as it's directly to picture and not a website. I think.

Thank you, Gerami. :]

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Thank you, Gerami. :]

You're worthy of calling me Crono.

[CidNight1142]

Originally Posted by Gerami

You're worthy of calling me Crono.

Lol.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

As Gerami said, you are allowed to post pics as long as they are not linked.
As for the other stuff, that is what the new ngr was made for.

It would be a lot more efficient to exemptify Graphic Arts forum from the no external link rule than to make a whole new forum, where people not of proper age are disallowed posting of art in the first place. You're really failing to see the problem.

Graphic Arts limited to Graal work -> No posting any work located outside of graal sites.

External linking only allowed in NGRA -> Viewing of all artwork outside of graal sites prohibited to young audiences, be it clean or not.

What this whole process would be causing is the privatization of artwork that otherwise does not need to be privatized. Also, it will create two art forums, which is rather ridiculous.

[Butz]

Well, to put my two cents, and my once every 8 hours post into this, I agree with the thought that if anything, the Graphic Art section should simply become the Arts section, and things should be able to be linked.

For one thing, as has been stated, the forum's current motto is "The Graal style or YOUR style", this is NOT only a forum for Graal related work. In fact, 90% of the threads in this forum have pretty much nothing to do with Graal.

Go back a few years (or 4), and there used to be art threads where people could come in and simply post any little thing they had drawn recently, simply to show off to others and possibly get some constructive criticism. If this were extended to more than just Graphical arts, you might see more people posting different kinds of art more often.

Personally, I think an art showcase and discussion forum would be the best thing to be made out of the current Graphic Design forum.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Butz

Personally, I think an art showcase and discussion forum would be the best thing to be made out of the current Graphic Design forum.

I would love to see that.

Everytime I try a new method or medium in art I post it, besides recently - I've started doing engraving... but I've been too busy to post pictures.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Butz

Personally, I think an art showcase and discussion forum would be the best thing to be made out of the current Graphic Design forum.

That's what I was getting at, but make that also the standard for future literature and multimedia forums. The categories should be all-encompassing, and not bound by the no external linking rule.

Media stored on graalonline servers will be taking up quite a bit of space to store. As long as the content is checked for appropriateness, there should be no problem with allowing external links within those sections. Privatization of externally linked content is just as bad as not allowing it altogether, as large amounts of people on the forums will not be able to view it anyway. I understand the reasons why the lounge needs to be privatized. The main reason being the fact that speech is completely unhindered therein.