To: Current 2k1 staff

Brad · #1 05-05-2005, 06:17 PM

I have a proposal. Lance, you've asked us to name a suitable candidate for the new manager of 2k1. Thats what you said our problem was, we couldn't think of anyone better than you. Well, I have one. Konidias. Make him the manager. Allow him to hire a new group of staff members and the current staff may be aloud to stay if they wish to. I know for a fact Koni can bring back the glory of 2k1.

Hiro · #2 05-05-2005, 06:57 PM

I second that.

Lance · #3 05-05-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro

I second that.

You don't/didn't even play Graal2001.

Hiro · #4 05-06-2005, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

You don't/didn't even play Graal2001.

Sure, keep thinking that.

Waltz5 · #5 05-05-2005, 06:59 PM

If Koni was manager I would definately work on 2k1 again.

Lance · #6 05-05-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Waltz5

If Koni was manager I would definately work on 2k1 again.

Proving once again that you do not care about the server as much as you do the manager!

Waltz5 · #7 05-06-2005, 01:52 AM

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Proving once again that you do not care about the server as much as you do the manager!

And how many people work under you currently? And how many have left because of you being the manager or refuse to even attempt to? Hmmm... seems like I'm not the only one who has a problem with working under you as a manager. It has nothing to do with the server genius.

Kaimetsu · #8 05-06-2005, 02:07 AM

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And how many people work under you currently? And how many have left because of you being the manager or refuse to even attempt to?

Yeah, because people never quit from other servers. Only 2K1!

Waltz5 · #9 05-06-2005, 03:26 AM

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Yeah, because people never quit from other servers. Only 2K1!

Did I ever say that? I was saying, how many have left because of Tseng being the manager or refuse to even attempt to help on 2k1 due to Tseng? I'm not concerned with other servers.

maximus_asinus · #10 05-05-2005, 08:02 PM

Obviously this thread won't accomplish anything. Lance will either ignore the thread, or the more likely possibility, refuse to step down. Koni would probably make for a better Manager though.

DeathChill · #11 05-05-2005, 09:02 PM

I would have to say Koni WOULDN'T be a better manager. Nothing personally wrong with him, but when he started Oasis he said that he'd finish it within 6 months after complaining to Shadrock about how long Faheria was taking, and then that turned into a year, and now Oasis is dead and Konidias is basically gone.

Snakeandy7 · #12 05-05-2005, 09:12 PM

I vote rabid, but I think Lance is still good. He's still developing.

Nappa · #13 05-05-2005, 09:58 PM

I disagree with the nomination.

Lance · #14 05-05-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad

I have a proposal. Lance, you've asked us to name a suitable candidate for the new manager of 2k1. Thats what you said our problem was, we couldn't think of anyone better than you.

Actually, that was Kaimetsu who said that.

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Well, I have one. Konidias.

I will, however, take a guess as to the next request Kaimetsu will have - prove that Konidias is or would be better than me.

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Make him the manager. Allow him to hire a new group of staff members and the current staff may be aloud to stay if they wish to. I know for a fact Koni can bring back the glory of 2k1.

It's cool that you think so, but it's just a claim, and you could just as easily say the same thing about anyone if you don't back it up.

Brad · #15 05-05-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance

Actually, that was Kaimetsu who said that.

I will, however, take a guess as to the next request Kaimetsu will have - prove that Konidias is or would be better than me.

It's cool that you think so, but it's just a claim, and you could just as easily say the same thing about anyone if you don't back it up.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=58816

12th post down is YOU saying that we need a suitable replacement and a reason why.

Konidias developed so much for 2k1 when he was an administrator. He has a passion to complete the project which you are lacking. Lance, honestly if nothing is being done why wont you hand the project down to him? You aren't losing anything but a dead server. Konidias is one of the best developers in graal and I truly believe he has more graphic/leveling/scripting knowledge than yourself. This is a personal opinion however, and I can only prove it by showing what Koni has accomplished.

Please Lance, I am begging you if Koni will accept please hand it to him.

Kaimetsu · #16 05-05-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad

Konidias developed so much for 2k1 when he was an administrator

Like what?

Hell, I wrote most of his 'Konquence' thing, though he never saw fit to credit me.

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He has a passion to complete the project which you are lacking

Why did he quit the first time?
Why was Oasis never completed?

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Konidias is one of the best developers in graal and I truly believe he has more graphic/leveling/scripting knowledge than yourself

Graphics, probably. Not scripting. Unless he's drastically improved since the last time I saw one of his scripts, his abilities have been grossly overrated.

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I can only prove it by showing what Koni has accomplished

Like what?

Brad · #17 05-05-2005, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Like what?

Hell, I wrote most of his 'Konquence' thing, though he never saw fit to credit me.

Why did he quit the first time?
Why was Oasis never completed?

Graphics, probably. Not scripting. Unless he's drastically improved since the last time I saw one of his scripts, his abilities have been grossly overrated.

Like what?

to counter all of that please show me some of lance's good work.

Kaimetsu · #18 05-05-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad

to counter all of that please show me some of lance's good work.

Dawg, your job is to show that Konidias is the superior candidate. The burden of proof is on you. You can't ask for counterexamples until you've provided some examples.

Googi · #19 05-05-2005, 10:48 PM

Konidias made the marketplace, but he also wants to get rid of player bomys because it doesn't fit into this concept of "realism".

It doesn't matter though. Like I said in my other thread, 2K1 can't possibly come back in any form resembling old 2K1 and be successful.

You shouldn't expect Koni to be anymore likely to actually finish 2K1 than you should expect Lance to (See: Oasis).

konidias · #20 05-05-2005, 11:25 PM

I can only post once a day here, so don't expect a quick reply or anything...

I believe I could bring back 2k1 to be the most popular server on Graal. I'm dying to get started on the project. I talked with Stefan about what I'd like to do, and he is trying to contact you (Lance) to set up a meeting of some sort. (or already has contacted you)

I wasn't with 2k1 since the day it opened, but I was around Graal when it opened, I joined around 5-6 months later. Shortly after, I was making graphics for it, then levels and scripts, then I was a full time developer. When Stefan left, Birdbird and I became co-managers, though it didn't pan out well because there were conflicts of interest. (basically, I didn't like the direction Birdbird was wanting to take)

However, I've done a lot of things for Graal over the years. I really don't know where to start, and I don't want to look conceited by listing every single thing I've ever done. All I can say is that it was a lot. I have already been in the management position so I know what to expect. I've also been in the position of developing a server for release, so I know what to expect there as well.

Like I told Stefan, I could single-handedly remodel 2k1 (though it's foolish to do so, I'm sure I'd want staff to help). The difference between 2k1 and Oasis was that with Oasis, my eyes were bigger than my stomach, so to speak. I planned things that I couldn't do entirely on my own, and I could never find anyone to help me with. It's not as if I got bored with Oasis, or decided it wasn't worth my time or something. I simply couldn't find a good enough scripter who would actually stick around for more than a day. It put a halt on the whole project.

I don't feel there needs to be any proving of who is better than who. We've both had experience with management. I'm not sure if you managed 2k1 while it was active. I was managing it when it had around 150-200 active people daily. I know what to expect.

I can also make any graphics, levels, ganis, sounds, or scripts, as far as what is needed for 2k1... so that I can make up for any development not getting done due to lack of staff. My work is of acceptable quality, as much of it is already on the server.

I really don't want this to get ugly, I don't have any evil intentions, I simply want to try my hand at reviving 2k1. If you're not progressing as fast as I could be, then it just seems wrong for you to hold on to it. Though I'm not entirely sure of your progress... you're very vague when it comes to answering that. I've been in game development for around 10 years and I know when someone is saying "we're making progress", that the project is either at a standstill, or it's barely moving. If you were making GOOD progress, you'd gladly be letting people know. You'd even be estimating release dates.

Googi · #21 05-05-2005, 11:54 PM

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I believe I could bring back 2k1 to be the most popular server on Graal.

I stopped reading here.

Crono · #22 05-05-2005, 11:37 PM

Maybe lance and koni can have a shootout 8]

Brad · #23 05-06-2005, 05:45 AM

just give it a wack theres nothin to lose

if it fails its just another failed attempt big deal

kai, you dont want him to try because you want OTHERS to always remember it?

I dont exactly remember you thinking of others first. You do consider Lance a friend though, and I think that might be clouding your vision in all this.

Brad · #24 05-07-2005, 05:14 PM

I dont see why you argue about something you don't care about Kai. If you're so much more intelligent thena ll of us why do you spend your time on the graal forums arguing for any damn reason against anyone? Just something I've wondered about.

TESTRETIS · #25 05-07-2005, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad

I dont see why you argue about something you don't care about Kai. If you're so much more intelligent thena ll of us why do you spend your time on the graal forums arguing for any damn reason against anyone? Just something I've wondered about.

I can asnswer that. He finds the forums entertaining..at least he said so awhile back somewhere.

Googi · #26 05-07-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad

I dont see why you argue about something you don't care about Kai. If you're so much more intelligent thena ll of us why do you spend your time on the graal forums arguing for any damn reason against anyone? Just something I've wondered about.

Kai doesn't want 2K1 to be brought back.

Brad · #27 05-07-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Kai doesn't want 2K1 to be brought back.

Why should he have any say whatsoever in it? As far as I can tell he didn't do much for the server and wasn't active enough of a player for his needs to be answered. He is active on the forums, not in game. 2k1 and the forums don't link together. He should have no say in what happens.

Googi · #28 05-07-2005, 10:30 PM

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Why should he have any say whatsoever in it? As far as I can tell he didn't do much for the server and wasn't active enough of a player for his needs to be answered. He is active on the forums, not in game. 2k1 and the forums don't link together. He should have no say in what happens.

Kai made fireworks and things. Just what did you make?

Waltz5 · #29 05-08-2005, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Kai made fireworks and things. Just what did you make?

He said, "do much for the server and wasn't active enough of a player."

I would consider Brad an active enough player in 2k1's past to be included.

Kaimetsu · #30 05-08-2005, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad

I dont see why you argue about something you don't care about Kai

I said that I don't care about the outcome. The argument itself is interesting, though.

Regardless: You're continuing to use ad hominems. This whole "YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SERVER SO UR WRONG" theme. It's idiotic. If you can't address the points I made then you should stay out of the argument.

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Kai made fireworks and things

I also pioneered the whole minimessage thing. Y'know, where you get a little message at the bottom of your screen instead of having a script modify your chat text.

I kind of made the fireworks thing before I started working on 2K1, but I guess I let them use it.

I fixed a lot of bugs, too. Even added the bug report system.

Hm, what else? Metris, I guess? And I scripted stuff for RP events, like the fire on the pirate ship.

Brad · #31 05-09-2005, 09:11 PM

Well, I had access to debug to GK even when I wasn't a kingdom leader so i must have known how to do something! Oh yeah, I made Stefan's template island for GK. Ahh, darn forgot. Koni was the manager when you worked for 2k1, I'm aware. As was birdbird. Can't put all the blame on him. Look, I don't know why I'm even arguing here. It's not accomplishing anything. You don't want 2k1 to be put in his hands, I do. I just want a revival where things get accomplished and you can't say theres enough being done now because there isn't. And once again you proved my point of calling me extremely stupid. I'm doing something with my life so I can't be too dumb. I don't sit on here arguing with kids 5 years younger than me. Ciao.

WanDaMan · #32 05-09-2005, 09:44 PM

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Look, I don't know why I'm even arguing here. It's not accomplishing anything.

Kaimetsu · #33 05-10-2005, 06:18 AM

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I made Stefan's template island for GK

You're aware that 2K1 and GK are different servers, right?

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Koni was the manager when you worked for 2k1, I'm aware. As was birdbird. Can't put all the blame on him

Konidias never gave me any projects. None at all. If you want to say that you don't like the things I made then you're gonna have to hold him responsible for that too.

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And once again you proved my point of calling me extremely stupid. I'm doing something with my life so I can't be too dumb

Haha. I called you stupid in addition to countering your points. And what's so wrong with that? You've attacked me at least as much in this thread.

And what exactly are you doing with your life? Please elaborate so we can point and laugh.

Brad · #34 05-10-2005, 06:30 AM

Point and laugh? I have a pretty nice life outside of the graal forums and I am going to college. Can't be too stupid. And I brought up GK to prove to you I have some talent since you already said I didn't. You have no idea who I am or anything about me. And I'll admit I don't know much about you as well. I do know you're an ******* to everyone on these forums like you're some sort of God. All I am saying is you can't be doing much with your life if you're spending this much time on the forums for a game aimed at children or teenagers.

Googi · #35 05-10-2005, 06:33 AM

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All I am saying is you can't be doing much with your life if you're spending this much time on the forums for a game aimed at children or teenagers.

Didn't you say you had "like 3000 total hours"?

Darlene159 · #36 05-10-2005, 06:42 AM

Another thread that has turned into nothing but 2 people calling each other names, insulting each other, and trying to outdo each other....you know, no server is going to be helped at all by a thread like this, no one is replying to it about the original reason for the thread to begin with. So once again, we close a thread that is doomed because some people arent interested in helping, just arguing...and no one else is replying