Political Relations and Trading Guidlines

[Kefkin]

For those of you who do not know, I have now taken the leadership of the Zormite Republic. Firstly, I would like to address where it is we stand as a kingdom.

Our longtime allies, the Dustari, will always be treated with the utmost in respect and honor. I do not see any reason to change this, as it has been tradition for years. Feel free to associate yourselves with the Dustari and build the strong relationships that should be borne of such an alliance.

The neutral parties, both Forest and Crescent Pirates, should also be treated with respect, but do keep in mind. Our alliance with Dustari makes association with the Pirates a dangerous one. I do not discourage the pleasantries or friendships, but I find this relationship in direct conflict of our ally's wishes. Out of respect for the Dustari, you will no longer tread the grounds of the Crescent Pirates while on-tag without the direct permission of the Governor, nor will you openly trade with the enemies of our allies (drop tag if you must trade).

Though there are several camps of thought surrounding the political state of affairs between ourselves and Samurai, one thing remains, we are still enemies. The leadership of Samurai has changed, and there may be peace to look forward to, but until then I urge you to cut ties with them. Anyone found travelling with, trading with, or even helping the Samurai (while on tag) will be charged with treason against the Republic. If you absolutely must go to Samurai (which I pray will never have to happen) remain off tag as a sign of respect for our enemies. Trading is strictly forbidden without my express consent (unless both parties agree to drop tag and trade as civillians).

There is much here in Zormite which is not observed by its membership. I believe it is time to take the responsibilites you pledged to observe upon joining the republic. Though leadership has changed, Zormite will continue to grow.

This is not meant for you to freely go harrass our enemies or our ally's enemies, as Zormite has always been a place of integrity and honor. Continue this tradition by remaining honorable to everyone. If there are any questions, feel free to speak with me privately.

Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

[csod123]

what happened to Akira?

[Raziel]

Well I'll be damned. I didn't see this coming... X_x
What did happen to Akira?

[Kefkin]

It is with a heavy heart I announce today that we can no longer stand for the actions of our neighbors, the Dustari. They have, in the past, been more than kind and deserved the alliance we shared. Today it is no more. There are unspeakable actions occuring and we will not stand for it. The true faithful have left Dustari already, knowing all to well the change in mood from our neighbors.

The Dustari are no longer who we once believed them to be. In order to better secure our lands and citizens, the lands of the Dustari and all its people are now the sworn enemies of Zormite.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

It is with a heavy heart I announce today that we can no longer stand for the actions of our neighbors, the Dustari. They have, in the past, been more than kind and deserved the alliance we shared. Today it is no more. There are unspeakable actions occuring and we will not stand for it. The true faithful have left Dustari already, knowing all to well the change in mood from our neighbors.

The Dustari are no longer who we once believed them to be. In order to better secure our lands and citizens, the lands of the Dustari and all its people are now the sworn enemies of Zormite.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

The Divine Sanctuary of the Forest wishes to register it's suprise that Zormite would cast off it's only true ally. The Path of the Phoenix starts anew, and this time, the Zormitian tribes of Zaeri and Sahuagin will not be there to aid.

The Forest is most curious in this matter, and while it wishes to remain nuetral towards all, priority of aid would be given to Dustari in times of crisis.

[LordZen]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

It is with a heavy heart I announce today that we can no longer stand for the actions of our neighbors, the Dustari. They have, in the past, been more than kind and deserved the alliance we shared. Today it is no more. There are unspeakable actions occuring and we will not stand for it. The true faithful have left Dustari already, knowing all to well the change in mood from our neighbors.

The Dustari are no longer who we once believed them to be. In order to better secure our lands and citizens, the lands of the Dustari and all its people are now the sworn enemies of Zormite.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

Reading your initial address, I was more than pleased with the decision to bestow my legacy apon your shoulders. But, this abrupt turn in foreign policy demands a proper explanation, immediately. The Sagesuns have married into the Republic's ruling family, as early as First Lady Razeil Sagesun Archigos, this should have solidified relations between the two states for generations.

For what reason do you dare throw aside such arrangements made by your predassesors with so little time in office, and so little time to reflect on the possible consequences of this decision before actually making it?

~Elder Archist Zen Archigos, Former Dictator and founder of the Zormite Republic

[Kefkin]

Originally Posted by LordZen

Reading your initial address, I was more than pleased with the decision to bestow my legacy apon your shoulders. But, this abrupt turn in foreign policy demands a proper explanation, immediately. The Sagesuns have married into the Republic's ruling family, as early as First Lady Razeil Sagesun Archigos, this should have solidified relations between the two states for generations.

For what reason do you dare throw aside such arrangements made by your predassesors with so little time in office, and so little time to reflect on the possible consequences of this decision before actually making it?

~Elder Archist Zen Archigos, Former Dictator and founder of the Zormite Republic

Edwin's own actions speak well enough for Dustari. In allowing a blacklisted member to join his ranks, he shows the disrespect he truly holds for Zormite. A blatant slap in the face will not be tolerated. Even the former queen holds such disgust for the new king that she has left the kingdom herself. Dustari was handed over to Edwin for safe keeping. I spoke with Edwin about what his plans for Dustari were prior to taking the Dictatorship. I spoke at lengths with him about what he planned militarily, as well as his ideas for the furthering of good relations between our two nations. He simply stated nothing. He places full trust of his own kingdom in his officers, and has no say as to how it is run. I for one cannot place my trust, or the kingdom's for that matter, in somone who cannot even make a descision for his own kingdom. He believes his general will do all the thinking and strategizing for him.

Well, after this converstion, I assumed leadership of Zormite. With a careful eye, I watched our neighbors to the west. That is when I saw the general of the Dustari armies himself leave the kingdom. Obviously he has meticulously planned out some sort of strategy, and from what I can figure, it is that Dustari is not the kingdom we once knew anymore. When I took leadership, I had full intention of maintaining good relations with our previous allies, but in light of the self-serving actions of its king, along with the outpour of those members who meant the most to the king, I find no other choice but to declare enemies of the Dustari.

I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry, yet lazy, king. I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry king who doesn't even run his own kingdom!

Even the actions of the past cannot bridge this gap I am afraid as the corruption has obviously reached the highest level in Dustari. It does sadden me that I am the one who must break tradition, and raise our blades in defense from the Dustari, as even Edwin himself is not above attacking our Mikogens. Such disrespect will not be tolerated.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

[MasterNuke]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

Edwin's own actions speak well enough for Dustari. In allowing a blacklisted member to join his ranks, he shows the disrespect he truly holds for Zormite. A blatant slap in the face will not be tolerated. Even the former queen holds such disgust for the new king that she has left the kingdom herself. Dustari was handed over to Edwin for safe keeping. I spoke with Edwin about what his plans for Dustari were prior to taking the Dictatorship. I spoke at lengths with him about what he planned militarily, as well as his ideas for the furthering of good relations between our two nations. He simply stated nothing. He places full trust of his own kingdom in his officers, and has no say as to how it is run. I for one cannot place my trust, or the kingdom's for that matter, in somone who cannot even make a descision for his own kingdom. He believes his general will do all the thinking and strategizing for him.

Look on Dustari's Blacklist and tell me if you see Zurkiba anywhere. (Really... I can do a "Find on this page" and get nothing.)

By the way, talking over PMs isn't freakin in character. If you continue this war, you will make a mockery of your entire kingdom's RP ability. What I shared with you were my thoughts at the moment. Thoughts... OOC thoughts. Important decisions are forged with deep thought and time. And about my rule, when I give positions and titles to people, I actually HAVE them do their job. I don't hire people into high titles just to have them sit on their ass and do nothing.

Originally Posted by Kefkin

Well, after this converstion, I assumed leadership of Zormite. With a careful eye, I watched our neighbors to the west. That is when I saw the general of the Dustari armies himself leave the kingdom. Obviously he has meticulously planned out some sort of strategy, and from what I can figure, it is that Dustari is not the kingdom we once knew anymore. When I took leadership, I had full intention of maintaining good relations with our previous allies, but in light of the self-serving actions of its king, along with the outpour of those members who meant the most to the king, I find no other choice but to declare enemies of the Dustari.

Drk left because he just doesn't like Zurkiba. I can understand that, I just had to move a few jobs here and there. It was inconvinient.

If you had such intentions, why did you turn the blade so quickly... to have my friend tell me that she needs to be readded to Dustari because she needed to leave to defend herself because Zormite suddenly sees Dustari as enemies. Also... I do not value those who left anymore... It shows just how loyal they really were.

Originally Posted by Kefkin

I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry, yet lazy, king. I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry king who doesn't even run his own kingdom!

Those without food are always hungry. If you haven't noticed, the power left with what I thought were loyalties.

Originally Posted by Kefkin

Even the actions of the past cannot bridge this gap I am afraid as the corruption has obviously reached the highest level in Dustari. It does sadden me that I am the one who must break tradition, and raise our blades in defense from the Dustari, as even Edwin himself is not above attacking our Mikogens. Such disrespect will not be tolerated.

Metagaming, powergaming, and can't tell the difference between thoughts and decisions. And even labels me with steriotypes. You, sir, have brought you and Zormite to a whole new low. I don't believe I have done anything corrupt at the moment. It pisses me off that you were so quick to break something I decided to keep.

And about attacking your Mikogen... What about your members attacking me? I logged on to a flaming ice dagger in the face by one of your members. The Mikogen was on Dustari soil at the time you saw us as enemies and you even appologised about it. I'd post a log but that is breaking forum rules.


Thank you for keeping me up at 3:30am on a school night because it took you THAT freakin long to respond and add a whole lot of irrelevant content.

[DrkXFactr]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

Drk left because he just doesn't like Zurkiba. I can understand that, I just had to move a few jobs here and there. It was inconvinient.

Whoa.. I did not leave because I "don't like Zurkiba." I've explained this SO many times.. Zurkiba is poison. He's NOTHING but power-hungry. How many times has he tried to take over kingdoms? Not less than 2 hours after we see him as Duke of Dustari, does he PM Alisa Steele of CP and ask her to 'give up CP, because 5 kingdoms cannot exist.' ((I'd post log, but as Ed stated, it is not legal.)) Proof is everywhere, past or present. And you accepted him with open arms, knowing his past, knowing Dustari's look upon him. Knowing he is power-hungry. Knowing the deep poison he would bring. Well, the poison has spread. Do you like what it's becoming, Ed? Nobody else seems to.

So, saying that I left only because I do not like him, couldn't be further from the truth. If I was his best friend in the world, he's still poison.. He's still power-hungry... and he's still out to gain control of kingdoms.

[Discharge]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

Edwin's own actions speak well enough for Dustari. In allowing a blacklisted member to join his ranks, he shows the disrespect he truly holds for Zormite. A blatant slap in the face will not be tolerated. Even the former queen holds such disgust for the new king that she has left the kingdom herself. Dustari was handed over to Edwin for safe keeping. I spoke with Edwin about what his plans for Dustari were prior to taking the Dictatorship. I spoke at lengths with him about what he planned militarily, as well as his ideas for the furthering of good relations between our two nations. He simply stated nothing. He places full trust of his own kingdom in his officers, and has no say as to how it is run. I for one cannot place my trust, or the kingdom's for that matter, in somone who cannot even make a descision for his own kingdom. He believes his general will do all the thinking and strategizing for him.

Well, after this converstion, I assumed leadership of Zormite. With a careful eye, I watched our neighbors to the west. That is when I saw the general of the Dustari armies himself leave the kingdom. Obviously he has meticulously planned out some sort of strategy, and from what I can figure, it is that Dustari is not the kingdom we once knew anymore. When I took leadership, I had full intention of maintaining good relations with our previous allies, but in light of the self-serving actions of its king, along with the outpour of those members who meant the most to the king, I find no other choice but to declare enemies of the Dustari.

I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry, yet lazy, king. I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry king who doesn't even run his own kingdom!

Even the actions of the past cannot bridge this gap I am afraid as the corruption has obviously reached the highest level in Dustari. It does sadden me that I am the one who must break tradition, and raise our blades in defense from the Dustari, as even Edwin himself is not above attacking our Mikogens. Such disrespect will not be tolerated.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

You are overreacting. Zurkiba is not going to be Duke Zurkiba the Conqueror of Kingdoms. He wasn’t conquering people in Graal2001 as the Duke and his not going to now. If he goes ask for CP to be dismantled well I agree with him. That group of so call pirates is a complete waste. Zurkiba was role-playing as Erik the Red or something when he was trying to dominate. No, this erratic behavior is the result of a grudge.

[LordZen]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

Edwin's own actions speak well enough for Dustari. In allowing a blacklisted member to join his ranks, he shows the disrespect he truly holds for Zormite. A blatant slap in the face will not be tolerated. Even the former queen holds such disgust for the new king that she has left the kingdom herself. Dustari was handed over to Edwin for safe keeping. I spoke with Edwin about what his plans for Dustari were prior to taking the Dictatorship. I spoke at lengths with him about what he planned militarily, as well as his ideas for the furthering of good relations between our two nations. He simply stated nothing. He places full trust of his own kingdom in his officers, and has no say as to how it is run. I for one cannot place my trust, or the kingdom's for that matter, in somone who cannot even make a descision for his own kingdom. He believes his general will do all the thinking and strategizing for him.

Well, after this converstion, I assumed leadership of Zormite. With a careful eye, I watched our neighbors to the west. That is when I saw the general of the Dustari armies himself leave the kingdom. Obviously he has meticulously planned out some sort of strategy, and from what I can figure, it is that Dustari is not the kingdom we once knew anymore. When I took leadership, I had full intention of maintaining good relations with our previous allies, but in light of the self-serving actions of its king, along with the outpour of those members who meant the most to the king, I find no other choice but to declare enemies of the Dustari.

I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry, yet lazy, king. I have given much thought to this decision as it was posed to me several months ago, and the consequences of breaking the alliance will only be minor compared to the consequences of being stabbed in the back by a power-hungry king who doesn't even run his own kingdom!

Even the actions of the past cannot bridge this gap I am afraid as the corruption has obviously reached the highest level in Dustari. It does sadden me that I am the one who must break tradition, and raise our blades in defense from the Dustari, as even Edwin himself is not above attacking our Mikogens. Such disrespect will not be tolerated.

~Dictator Graynt Alexander Archigos

So let me get this straight, your reasoning for breaking the alliance more or less is hinged on Dustari allowing somebody into their kingdom that is on Dustari's Blacklist? Or on Zormite's Blacklist?

Either way, if Zurkiba was on Dustari's blacklist, no blacklist is set in stone and that is up to the king if he wishes to leave that name on the list or not. If its on Zormite's Blacklist -- well, thats Zormite's Blacklist, not Dustari's. They are seperate for a reason. If the two kingdoms wanted a mutual blacklist than arrangements would have been made for that already, they have been close for so long, there would seem little reason to keep 2 seperate blacklists if it was ever the intention to keep specific people out of the alliance completely. (And Zurkiba's past actions against Zormite and Dustari was as a different RP character, so you cannot make In-Character decisions based on the past RP character of an individual that he is not RP'ing as anymore)

And even then, that would not be cause to move a kingdom to war. At the absolute extreme, you should have opted for neutrality rather than WAR. One of the halmarks of the Republic was to be a peacekeeping force, not a state which commits the very act it is accusing its Dustari brethren of possibly doing in the future: Backstabbing.

Ed is a good and loyal servant of his country. Hes probably been around (on 2k2) as early as I was. I know his character far better than you, and it is anything but lazy, power-hungary, or curropt.

[Zurkiba]

Dont talk about me if you dont know me. I just want to express that real quick.

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AS FOR THE CRESENT PIRATES ISSUE:
I have talked with Alan Steele, he understands what I was saying. However the Governess went all loco on me and thought
'Because 2k2 is getting too small to have five kingdoms'
as
'I'm going to conquer you'

and
'Kingdoms used to hire pirates as privateers, you could do the same'
as
'I'm going to conquer you.'


2k2 is too small for five kingdoms. There simply aren't enough people who want to roleplay in those kingdoms. So why not merge them?
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AS FOR THE GENERAL'S DEFECTION AND FORMER QUEEN:
First off... the Former Queen wouldn't leave. Otherwise it's bad roleplaying. As for the general leaving... that's called metagaming. It's using OOC information for IC plots and such. If you protested my being in the kingdom then you would've never been in the kingdom in the first place. Technically I've always been in the kingdom... technically I've always been a Duke. So hats off to you for metagaming.

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AS FOR ME BEING POWERHUNGRY:
Give me proof and I'll give that to you. If I was power hungry I would've had Ed give me more rights and crap. In fact, I'm not even using my given rights because I'm still a little unused to the new Graal Kingdoms

I've been a Duke of Dustari since 2001. I've done my part in it's development. I've was a Duke when Discharge joined, when Excalibur joined. I was a Duke when the former king Larrien joined. I planned for 2k2's Dustari. I've worked my ass off for Dustari. It's also a personal code of mine to never be the King of Dustari. The Highest I will ever go is Duke.

I've lead the Zormite Kingdom because I was the appointed governor of it by King Kamuii (or atleast I was one of two canidates, I cant remember too well). But they had a civil war and I lost my chance. So I took it over anyway and governed it into greatness. I then went to Forest, after asking Aftershock that is, because Brad needed good leaders and I knew Aftershock could handle Dustari. I also turned that into a great state (it conquered Dustari).

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AS FOR ME BEING ON A BLACKLIST:
Ed can change the blacklist as he sees fit. Seeing how if I was put on one, it would be because of bias without proof.

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LEARN TO ROLEPLAY:
You cant metagame and call it roleplaying. You cant use PMs and call it IC (unless it was designated as a letter or a fake courier brought it to you). AIM Conversations are not IC. The only IC things are actual in game text, written documents, and the occasional PM.

Metagaming is when you use that OOC information to determine IC actions. That is what you did. As far as your character is concerned Duke Zurkiba Warhare is the elder war hero of Dustari, House of the Admiral, Duke of the Northern Fief, and Commander of the Northern Militia.

If Zormite wages war, then we are to believe (ICly of course) that the Zormites are backstabers bent on the conquest of the Dustari isles.

[darkemporor]

Originally Posted by LordZen

Either way, if Zurkiba was on Dustari's blacklist, no blacklist is set in stone and that is up to the king if he wishes to leave that name on the list or not.

That's fairly rediculous too. Ed can twist and bend and break but if Graynt does, its bad in your view. Dustari and Zormite leaders HAD an arrangement regarding respect of their blacklists. Of course, you couldn't be aware of this since you've been inactive over 2 years.

What amazes me is that you're still trying to remotely lead this kingdom. It's not helpful and never has been.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Kefkin

In allowing a blacklisted member to join his ranks, he shows the disrespect he truly holds for Zormite.

Well spoken.

[maximus_asinus]

thats what you want your leader to do on their first two days, break their only alliance.

[csod123]

we need an ally

[DrkXFactr]

Although he did have the final say in break/stay, it was not on him completely. Dustari chose their path. They made some decisions that led them on their own path, and more so, away from the alliance's path; some of which were even assured to become a problem. So, to put it completely on his plate, isn't right.

[csod123]

Originally Posted by DrkXFactr

Although he did have the final say in break/stay, it was not on him completely. Dustari chose their path. They made some decisions that led them on their own path, and more so, away from the alliance's path; some of which were even assured to become a problem. So, to put it completely on his plate, isn't right.

this is why Zen

[Splke]

Interesting.. who runs Dustari now again?

[XGoLink]

Originally Posted by Splke

Interesting.. who runs Dustari now again?

Ed.. the one you wanted to be Prince of Forest

[Splke]

Originally Posted by XGoLink

Ed.. the one you wanted to be Prince of Forest

Ed > you all k? I've wanted him for a lead-spot for a long ass time. He's probably the best powerplayer I know (since MarkB or so) just because of how damn balanced he is. He's not a bad listenner too, I think this war is done and over with long before it began.

: PS : If you need leik, some arr pee, Pee em mee. roflwaflz!

[Crono]

This is retarded, most kingdoms and such push for peace, they dont say "PLZ H8 SAMURAI SO wE KAN HAV SUM AKTION N ALKL PLZ DUN TRAVEL w/ DEM BTW"

[MasterNuke]

Other than Zurkiba existing, is there any reason why this(Dustari as enemies) is going to happen? I'd like to hear it.

[GryffonDurime]

IC:
As Divine Roi of the Forest and Duke of the Once and Future House of Durime, I would simply like to testify to Zurkiba Warhare's character. He is a good man, loyal to his cause, who has earned his keep and his title by actions. He is the spark of intelligence that lights the fire of change. Despite his long history as a catalyst, in these times when the land is fading so quickly, the soil becoming so hollow, perhaps a catalyst is what we need.

OOC:
PMs, forum and client, are OOC. 100%.

[XGoLink]

Then why did you remove me for saying something on the forums o.o
I really thought about what i said though, and im terribly sorry...
I was wrong

[csod123]

i am banned from samurai but i am not on the black list. i was told by nanoko(i apologize for spelling) her self i was going to be blacklisted, i even went on thier black list page to joke about it but it wasn't documented infront of me. i may not know zurkiba as long as you all but he seems pretty decent.and thier is the chance of redemption.

[csod123]

thats what he is saying he doesn't want a war, but he understands why we are upset. if we get in a war with Dustari we are screwed.

[Zurkiba]

I dont care to argue... it would be similiar if I knew my teacher would give me a zero on a project, no matter what I did, and I worked long and hard on it. Just doesn't make any sense.

So ol', all knowing Padren. You mention my actions over and over. Please explain these actions to me

YOU LEFT DUSTARI:
I was removed from Dustari because Tseng removed two people, including Larrien, for the OOC comment of "Tseng should be on more often", and I protested it... OOCly of course. You should be glad I even roleplayed a small exit. And if I do recall, later you staged a revolt, in which I would have returned and would've been accepted with open arms.

YOU CAMPED IN THE CASTLE:
No, I went into the castle as a Duke of Dustari to roleplay with Zoe. In which she insulted me.

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That aside... what have I done against Zormite? Nothing!
What have I done against Dustari? Nothing!
What have I done against people such as yourself? Nothing!

So Padren, I'm going to paraphrase you here to simply say
"stop being an obstructionist."

Originally Posted by Debaglio

Durime... do you even know what a catalyst is?

Your aid...... all of 2 members. nice. See you there... wait I forgot who this was written for. See you there for two seconds before you log for a week and a half.

Maybe you should check your misunderstood concepts and explore the buffer analogy... seems to make more sense for the concept you are trying to apply.

How about next week when your class gets to the explantion about Pangea you can talk about the kingdoms in that context and give us a nice explanation about how they formed, all mighty ROI.

Learn to Roleplay please. There is -no way- that the island of Forest only has two people on it. Every kingdom has an invisible citizenry, army, and navy.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

I dont care to argue... it would be similiar if I knew my teacher would give me a zero on a project, no matter what I did, and I worked long and hard on it. Just doesn't make any sense.

So ol', all knowing Padren. You mention my actions over and over. Please explain these actions to me

YOU LEFT DUSTARI:
I was removed from Dustari because Tseng removed two people, including Larrien, for the OOC comment of "Tseng should be on more often", and I protested it... OOCly of course. You should be glad I even roleplayed a small exit. And if I do recall, later you staged a revolt, in which I would have returned and would've been accepted with open arms.

YOU CAMPED IN THE CASTLE:
No, I went into the castle as a Duke of Dustari to roleplay with Zoe. In which she insulted me.

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That aside... what have I done against Zormite? Nothing!
What have I done against Dustari? Nothing!
What have I done against people such as yourself? Nothing!

So Padren, I'm going to paraphrase you here to simply say
"stop being an obstructionist."

If I said 'you left Dustari' I am sorry, I should have said you were thown out. After your dismissal you were still not welcome in Dustari, for various reasons. , not the least of which was your continuing hostility towards Zormite and pretty much everyone you disagreed with.

With your 'roleplaying' fiasco when you castle camped....why is it that you just couldn't get the message that you are not a duke anymore accept it even when staff told you to stop distrupting the events?

Don't you think that if I was to go try to 'rp' on forest as their king, that maybe I would not be 'well received' and just perhaps, it would be because I was acting like an idiot?

Is that explained to your satisfaction?

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

If I said 'you left Dustari' I am sorry, I should have said you were thown out. After your dismissal you were still not welcome in Dustari, for various reasons. , not the least of which was your continuing hostility towards Zormite and pretty much everyone you disagreed with.

With your 'roleplaying' fiasco when you castle camped....why is it that you just couldn't get the message that you are not a duke anymore accept it even when staff told you to stop distrupting the events?

Don't you think that if I was to go try to 'rp' on forest as their king, that maybe I would not be 'well received' and just perhaps, it would be because I was acting like an idiot?

Is that explained to your satisfaction?

What reasons? You keep saying I have done bad actions against Dustari, bad actions against Zormite. Yet you cant support your claims.

No staff told me to "stop distrupting events". I was roleplaying as my character none the less.

Considering that my character was never removed as Duke, nor were his lands actually taken from him, I do believe I have full right to claim my land and retain the title of Duke.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

Considering that my character was never removed as Duke, nor were his lands actually taken from him, I do believe I have full right to claim my land and retain the title of Duke.

What does it take for you to accept that you were removed as Duke and your lands were taken from you?

Raziel Venmyr, His Grace the Duke of Borea held 'your' position long after your absense, in which much of your former lands rest. You were disgraced, removed, gone, history, and all but forgotten. Why can't you accept that?

We even considered at one time letting you come back, but you felt physcially ill at the idea of being in a Dustari that was allied with Zormite. I made that offer to you myself and you decided not to return.

But please, tell us, here and now, what exactly would you have considered 'notice' of your removal as Duke from Dustari? Not when you were removed and stripped of that rank of course, nor when other people filled your previous rank, nor when you were told by the leaders of the kingdom told you those lands had since been reclaimed, nor when you were told you were not welcome to disrupt events of actual members of the kingdom - please, do tell us what exactly happened that made this all 'fuzzy' for you? How did you fail to comprehend? And please, let us know how all this equates to 'good roleplaying' on your part, I am sure it will be interesting.

[MasterNuke]

I'm still wondering why none of you actually gave me any examples and facts to why he was bad. You just kept saying he was bad. O.o All except for one bad thing he did, I heard about indirectly. Why do you spare me the much needed information?

[XGoLink]

My dictonary is different as yours :O

[LordZen]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

In Wren's defense, you can at times have a bit of 'anxious father syndome' when it comes to Zormite, and I don't think there is any dislike - just its a bit frustrating when you get anxious over some of the smaller changes. I don't think there is any PSing going on.

No, I've heard alot more than she has said to me personally by 2nd hand accounts and AIM copy-pastes. She doesnt like me. Even threatened to excommunicate me from my own Family once while talking to somebody, I think.

Originally Posted by busyrobot

I just think Zen, sometimes you jump the gun and assume the worst. For instance, this affair has nothing to do with the blacklist, its about Zurk's actions in the past and recent present towards Zormite and many people in Dustari.
I still think its fair to critisize Zormite, but you should find out and understand the details before jumping to conclusions.

I asked Gyrant to explain himself before I went into anything, and he blamed it on a blacklist issue which I've admitted I am still confused about a little, because he wasnt exactly clear about it in his post.

Originally Posted by GoZelda

Zormite's blacklist hasn't been updated for quite a while now - you can see that because the grammar and spelling I use in it is horrible. And hey, guess what? There's no freaking Zurkiba on Zormite's blacklist, nor on Dustari's.

Congratulations Zormite Dictators! You've proven to be ignorant once again!

Nah, Wren unstickied that a long time ago and never maintained it, she updates a seperate blacklist. When it was unstickied I guess it became unofficial, dunno, but as you can see I was the last person to update that blacklist (check last edit date at bottom of the post). There is another Zormite blacklist that is more updated somewhere, I'm sure. I think I've even seen a longer more recent blacklist, myself, but it was made after my time.

You gotta give Wren more credit than that lol, if you went by that blacklist than your saying that there was never a problem with anybody -ever- during the entire length of time since I was the one maintaining a blacklist. Of course they used a different one, the only difference is I wanted mine to be more public.

[csod123]

if he abandoned his lands and then goes to another kingdom then he abandones his lands, they should have been up for grabs, why did someone not take them?also this has gone way out of hand.

[busyrobot]

Originally Posted by csod123

if he abandoned his lands and then goes to another kingdom then he abandones his lands, they should have been up for grabs, why did someone not take them?also this has gone way out of hand.

He did have his lands officially removed from him and divided to other nobles, we even had another Duke in that region that was his successor. He just wants to say "oh that was just bad roleplaying cuz i r 2 leet 2 evR get kicked out in a good rp I R war hearo"

[Nappa]

Owned by the system. Now let's turn Zormite back into fish, please, and we'll all be happy.

[csod123]

Originally Posted by Nappa

Owned by the system. Now let's turn Zormite back into fish, please, and we'll all be happy.

if we go back into fish you will never touch the sand of another island. either way I would like to see the black list.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by csod123

if we go back into fish you will never touch the sand of another island. either way I would like to see the black list.

Zormite is already a fish kingdom.

[csod123]

we are not a fish kingdom we are fish people.