Modem Tapping?

Snakeandy7 · #1 01-11-2005, 07:56 PM

Is there any possible way to prevent people from doing this? It's causing problems on Era aswell as on Unholy Nation.

Zero Hour · #2 01-11-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeandy7

Is there any possible way to prevent people from doing this? It's causing problems on Era aswell as on Unholy Nation.

Wow, thanks for using that term, I just learned something new.

Snakeandy7 · #3 01-11-2005, 08:22 PM

Do you understand what I mean?

Zero Hour · #4 01-11-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeandy7

Do you understand what I mean?

You're using the incorrect term, but you help me stumble upon something very interesting

Splke · #5 01-11-2005, 08:23 PM

When you "Modem Tap", you usually pull the Ethernet Cord from you DSL/Cable/Router, and it allows you freedom to move for 5-10 seconds, then once you "reconnect" to the server (eg, modem picks back up and sends the data packets), you just warped around the room and managed to avoid death, heal, then kill everybody.

It's really annoying on Era, but REALLY annoying on Graal Kingdoms. -_-'

There really isn't a way to stop it, it's simular to lag, just a delay in the receiving/sending data packets... I guess you'll have to live with it. Enforce rules against it, etc.

Minoc · #6 01-11-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Splke

Enforce rules against it, etc.

And then people with lousy connections would also be banned.

Shaun · #7 01-11-2005, 09:55 PM

My modem is on another floor :/

Projectshifter · #8 01-11-2005, 10:00 PM

You're kidding me... people actually pull out their modem cable?

**MysticalDragon** · #9 01-11-2005, 10:02 PM

This isnt just used for graal, its also used to speed up a ****ty computer especially for downloading and uploading.

ZanderX · #10 01-12-2005, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

This isnt just used for graal, its also used to speed up a ****ty computer especially for downloading and uploading.

I fail to see how something like this would make you download faster. You'd actually get corrupt or incomplete packets...

Eagle · #11 01-11-2005, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Projectshifter

You're kidding me... people actually pull out their modem cable?

For a game!

They must be really bad at PKing if they depend on "Modem Tapping."

Zero Hour · #12 01-11-2005, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle

For a game!

They must be really bad at PKing if they depend on "Modem Tapping."

Or they just really want to kill the other person with the minimum ammount of effort...? Just because they abuse something to kill doesn't mean they suck, they could be lazy.

Curt1zzle · #13 01-11-2005, 11:57 PM

Grats -

Now about 30 forum browsers are going to log on Era and try this lovely fairly unknown trick.

Spark910 · #14 01-12-2005, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Projectshifter

You're kidding me... people actually pull out their modem cable?

Lol, it's common on online games for consoles. Although I didn't know it was called that, but infact I call it ''pulling the cord'', it has great effect on games such as shooting ones that require you to breach a base for example, as if someone pulls their cord they can breach the base, kill a few people and avoid mines/guards in about 1second when the lag catches up. (Although it may sound like it, I don't do it - that's just the effect is has

)

Hell, there is a device made that has a switch on your ethernet cord so you can do it while you play without having to pull it directly out of your modem/router. You can make it at home for little, or pay some random joe to make it for you (As most young kids opt for

)

HoudiniMan · #15 01-12-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Spark910

Hell, there is a device made that has a switch on your ethernet cord so you can do it while you play without having to pull it directly out of your modem/router. You can make it at home for little, or pay some random joe to make it for you (As most young kids opt for

)

I'll sell anybody who wants one a box you simply clip on to your ethernet cord.

Push the button and it pushes a razor blade down, "interrupting" your connection "temporarily".

(until you get a new cord

)

Zero Hour · #16 01-12-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyld

Walk out of range of your access point, and then wander back in as if you never lost the connection.

Wow, you really know how to preserve energy.

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Originally Posted by Spark910

Hell, there is a device made that has a switch on your ethernet cord so you can do it while you play without having to pull it directly out of your modem/router. You can make it at home for little, or pay some random joe to make it for you (As most young kids opt for

)

I will make and sell these to anyone who is interested for a quite unreasonable price.

Seriously.

Evil_Trunks · #17 01-11-2005, 10:02 PM

yes, this was a very common practice on era, before the serverside hit detection was added

it is also common on UN

i have also heard it described as "putting tinfoil over my wireless router"

Snakeandy7 · #18 01-11-2005, 10:03 PM

It works on Era now. People can kill people in 1 hit because of it :[

LoadedSwift · #19 01-16-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeandy7

It works on Era now. People can kill people in 1 hit because of it :[

Actually, It's taking advantage of the serverside hurt system(Might as well get some good out of it if we're gonna have it). It basically shoots every bullet shot while you were "disconnected"(The period in which your ethernet cord was unplugged), and loads them at the same time(when the server loads what you did).

It's always worked on Era, It's just more effective with the serverside hurt scripts.

On another note, Are the serverside hurt scripts really necessary? They have about a 1 second delay on the bullets.

Lance · #20 01-19-2005, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LoadedSwift

On another note, Are the serverside hurt scripts really necessary?

If you want security, they are.

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They have about a 1 second delay on the bullets.

That's a bit of an overestimation, there.

Evil_Trunks · #21 01-19-2005, 08:05 AM

You also have to consider what the players want.

Many people dislike the serverside hit detection on classic as well. (at least it seemed that way when I was last on)

Lance · #22 01-19-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil_Trunks

You also have to consider what the players want.

Many people dislike the serverside hit detection on classic as well. (at least it seemed that way when I was last on)

I was unaware that the players wanted trainer users running rampantly across the Graal servers.

Benm00t · #23 01-11-2005, 10:57 PM

Is that the thing people do to change the images of their shields, helms, etc on Kingdoms?

Nappa · #24 01-11-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Benm00t

Is that the thing people do to change the images of their shields, helms, etc on Kingdoms?

Yes

Evil_Trunks · #25 01-12-2005, 12:55 AM

it's not as bad as un-named people on Era who use x y warp hack combined with speed hack

Mitch · #26 01-12-2005, 08:47 AM

Cheaters will always be around forever you just need to learn how to deal with them, or atleast until someone really smart comes a long. That will be the day..

Zero Hour · #27 01-12-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitch

Cheaters will always be around forever you just need to learn how to deal with them, or atleast until someone really smart comes a long.

So, forever is just until someone smart comes along, and then time as we know it stops. I guess Kaimetsu really isn't that smart then!

Mitch · #28 01-12-2005, 09:03 AM

Exactly, but I believe Kaimetsu is very smart however, their will always be a hacker just as good as the programmer.

Kaimetsu · #29 01-12-2005, 09:49 AM

There are all kinds of ways to deal with abuse. Perhaps Graal's speedhack tolerance should be modified to consider the actual speed of the player, rather than just the number of data packets.

Lance · #30 01-12-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

There are all kinds of ways to deal with abuse. Perhaps Graal's speedhack tolerance should be modified to consider the actual speed of the player, rather than just the number of data packets.

How would the actual speed of the player be a better choice for the speedhack detection than the frequency of data packets?

Kaimetsu · #31 01-12-2005, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance

How would the actual speed of the player be a better choice for the speedhack detection than the frequency of data packets?

In that it covers a wider range of exploits, including the one described in this thread. It tackles the undesirable phenomenon directly.

In hindsight, I probably should've used the word 'extended' rather than 'modified'. Checking data packet frequency is still a good thing, I'd say.

Lance · #32 01-12-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

In that it covers a wider range of exploits, including the one described in this thread. It tackles the undesirable phenomenon directly.

I disagree. In this case, I see the crazy movement speed as just a symptom of all those packets being sent at once. Why tackle the symptom and not the problem? Also, can you provide some examples of these other exploits?

As far as I know, the system we already have should catch these "modem tappers". I think the biggest problem is that many servers don't even use the speedhack detection system. A quick check of UN shows that it isn't used at all. Another quick check shows that Era is using it but has an unreasonably high value for the tolerance (290). A value of 90 should catch most speedhackers. Stefan's words were that simple lag would not set off the alarm with a value of 90. Still, if it happens just once, warn them. If it happens quite frequently, you've got an abuser on your hands.

Snakeandy7 · #33 01-12-2005, 09:44 AM

Jenn will probably find a way around it, I just havn't confronted her :P.
I was hopeing there was something to do with the graal client and such

Snakeandy7 · #34 01-12-2005, 09:48 AM

I was just going to say the same :[

Moonite · #35 01-12-2005, 01:54 PM

u can make ur items invisable with moden tapping

Snakeandy7 · #36 01-12-2005, 02:06 PM

Don't forget that Era uses graal2k2's system. I thought it was normal at 290 with it being changed to GK. So I didn't bother asking x-x. But Lance, That doesn't detect modem tappers.

JudgeDurst · #37 01-12-2005, 02:13 PM

Couldn't the server (when detecting a possible speed hack) clear the stacked data for projectiles etc and warp the player back to their location before this "lag spike" and possibly set back flags?

Now I read my own text I guess some of that probably wouldn't work x.x

Splke · #38 01-12-2005, 05:54 PM

My Brain ;____;

Nappa · #39 01-12-2005, 10:18 PM

Yes, when I was on 56k UDP wouldn't allow me to properly play. The lag was so horrible I couldn't even properly move (on GK).

syltburk · #40 01-12-2005, 10:27 PM

They always come up with new stuff, dont they?