Babylon is in need of new management.

Thallen · #1 09-01-2003, 12:43 AM

I don't want this to turn into some huge arguement thread, even though there's an extremely large chance it will, I want to post this to make a plea to some Graal administration to take a little trip to Babylon, to see what this place is like. I remember back when Lord Helmut made the server, it was really nice, not many people played there, and there was never any problems. Eventually Alexander gained management, quit, gave management to Kisharha (who I now consider a great manager), and then made a petition to have Kisharha and Unholy Paladin thrown from management of Babylon. At that time, not many people thought Kisharha was a good manager for Babylon, so the petition was successful, and eventually Alexander regained management of Babylon. He promised everyone that the whole server would improve and there would be no problems. No one expected him to break his promises, since he was a good past manager, but he did, and nothing good has been happening with Babylon. All that happens are huge arguements, spar tournies, and GP, FAQ, and ET hirings. Babylon has went nowhere at all ever since Babylon was remanaged by Alexander. He told several "oldbies" of Babylon a secret of his. I'm going to try to be responsible, and not ruin this secret (even though he has broken so many promises), so all that I am going to say is that Babylon is currently not being worked on because he is having staff work on his new server. I think Babylon needs a more active manager, who doesn't have to hide reasons of bad management from the players. Go on Babylon for 10 minutes, see how it is.

zol · #2 09-01-2003, 01:00 AM

Yeah, and you're ban evading on our server anyway. You're just pissed because you didn't get Head Admin and so you start throwing your little 4 year old tantrums and sexual harass other players and continue to cause problems, it really isn't helping us with your unacceptable behavior.

Thallen · #3 09-01-2003, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by zol
Yeah, and you're ban evading on our server anyway. You're just pissed because you didn't get Head Admin and so you start throwing your little 4 year old tantrums and sexual harass other players and continue to cause problems, it really isn't helping us with your unacceptable behavior.

Rather than hearing your unsupported and ignorant calls on this, I'd like to hear from some of the people who play Babylon, since they're neutral. I was mad I didn't get Head Admin, sure I was, but that has nothing at all to do with this.

Golbez · #4 09-01-2003, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by zol
Yeah, and you're ban evading on our server anyway. You're just pissed because you didn't get Head Admin and so you start throwing your little 4 year old tantrums and sexual harass other players and continue to cause problems, it really isn't helping us with your unacceptable behavior.

No offance dude.. Thallen is right. Alexander has guest RC on almost every server now, he is usually working on one of those servers and not on Babylon. However dont get me wroung im good friends with Alexander, its just that he does slack off now, and well he isnt the Manager he used to be.

Spark910 · #5 09-02-2003, 10:28 AM

I know whats going on. Dont worry, everything is fine. Your going to just have to wait a bit.

Thallen · #6 09-02-2003, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910
I know whats going on. Dont worry, everything is fine. Your going to just have to wait a bit.

"Wait a bit" for what? Alexander set me up as Head Admin there to try to get some things straight, but of course everyone instantly cried a river. I set up some new staff and make some NPCs for them, and now I try to logon RC this morning and it says I have no admin / GP rights. There's only 2 people that could have really fired me, Alexander or Outlaw.

Spark910 · #7 09-02-2003, 06:29 PM

I would go and look why you were removed, but graal is down right now for me.

Menace_P2P · #8 09-02-2003, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by Thallen

"Wait a bit" for what? Alexander set me up as Head Admin there to try to get some things straight, but of course everyone instantly cried a river. I set up some new staff and make some NPCs for them, and now I try to logon RC this morning and it says I have no admin / GP rights. There's only 2 people that could have really fired me, Alexander or Outlaw.

Okay, Alexander didn't fire you. Outlaw did, he had a poll and said who wants Thallen Gone? Unfortunately for you most people wanted you gone. The reason being is because a day before you are on babylon cursing up a storm, talking about that you'll hire anyone for GP if they leave babylon forever, and the next day you become Head Admin out of nowhere. Making Ghaleon_Legend quit. Lets see you jumped over Outlaw TGC and Ghaleon_Legend in 1 days work, when some of them have worked there for a yr..if not longer and played since day 1. Thats what they found unfair, and also your past experience as a hacker.. Why would anyone want a past hacker (Trainer user or not) as a head admin. I am on your side Thallen, you did great work the first day, as soon as you were hired you went to work, but they fired you based on a Babylon Poll. And most people dont understand that you changed.. only advise I can give is to watch what you say next time.. About blackmailing.. and harassing. I am on your side thallen. Babylon does need new management.. and basically new staff. It is very hard to even be ET There with all the staff arguing/ abusing.. Hopefully this will all come to an end.. Cuz babylon is a fun place, but some staff make it horrible.

bo0ey · #9 09-02-2003, 10:38 PM

I dont know how Thallen could make head whatever, he's a midi thief.

Johnny_5 · #10 09-03-2003, 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by Menace_P2P

Stuff

Graal isn't a democracy to see if staff get fired by a simple vote of the people. The manager should get to decide by himself based on how the person works etc., not by the popular vote.

protagonist · #11 09-03-2003, 01:29 AM

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Originally posted by Johnny_5

Graal isn't a democracy to see if staff get fired by a simple vote of the people. The manager should get to decide by himself based on how the person works etc., not by the popular vote.

Exactly!

Being staff isn't a popularity contest, it is doing your job right.

thesaiyan · #12 09-03-2003, 02:32 AM

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Originally posted by Johnny_5

Graal isn't a democracy to see if staff get fired by a simple vote of the people. The manager should get to decide by himself based on how the person works etc., not by the popular vote.

Took the words out of my mouth. :O

WarLord2004 · #13 09-03-2003, 04:41 AM

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Originally posted by protagonist

Exactly!

Being staff isn't a popularity contest, it is doing your job right.

Wrong i was fired from Valikorlia a very long time ago because of popularity. Many staff on valikorlia had passed my position on valikorlia because of popularity. You must be close toa admin or the owners themself and you can get any position you want. After all i was the one who did speak to stefan about getting a private server (under construction) for valikorlia to work and not even a thanks the owner took credit.

protagonist · #14 09-03-2003, 04:52 AM

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Originally posted by WarLord2004

Wrong i was fired from Valikorlia a very long time ago because of popularity. Many staff on valikorlia had passed my position on valikorlia because of popularity. You must be close toa admin or the owners themself and you can get any position you want. After all i was the one who did speak to stefan about getting a private server (under construction) for valikorlia to work and not even a thanks the owner took credit.

Valikorlia has so many things wrong with it, it should never be used as an example of how servers should be run.

Menace_P2P · #15 09-04-2003, 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by Johnny_5

Graal isn't a democracy to see if staff get fired by a simple vote of the people. The manager should get to decide by himself based on how the person works etc., not by the popular vote.

Dont act as if i am the one who said it was right, i didnt comment on the vote being right or wrong.. anyway this thread should close. Thall got a job back as bugs admin with RC.. :o dunno if thats fair, but thats the news..