Enigma: Tileset

Warcaptain · #1 04-27-2003, 12:35 AM

Managed to get a tileset for old enigma, godspeed was so nice enough to donate all of ToT to me (baisicly only levels, gfx, and a few npcs)

I decided that the new tileset, plus so major landscape changes might give enigma a new feeling to it.

Let me know what you think of the tileset.
And if you come to see enigma let me know what you think of the new additions and the new landscape.

Although many dont like enigma because of past history, alot has changed and its become much better quality wise.

I doubt anyone cares but.. yeah..

Christian · #2 04-27-2003, 01:06 AM

The owner of ToT tileset is Ivie not godspeed.
So do you got her permission?

magicbud3344 · #3 04-27-2003, 01:11 AM

i thought you wern't allow to steal NW's graphics, your bomb graphic.... :X

syltburk · #4 04-27-2003, 01:13 AM

It doesnt look god, atleast the view i get when i look at that level

i realy cant judge becuse of that level

ETD · #5 04-27-2003, 01:29 AM

shaggy tree's
=P
interesting... i think if you made a new level, just for that tileset, it might look better
=0
(i'm assumeing you took a screenshot of a current OW level, while useing the new tileset)

AlexH · #6 04-27-2003, 01:32 AM

I like most of it.
The only things I don't like is the water. The little sparkles in it don't look to great in my opinion, I would get rid of them and detail it some other way.
Also the roof of the wall looks odd. Don't know how to fix it but I wouldn't use it untill it's fixed. The roof doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the wall by the way the wall part has been bricked together.

PrinceDark · #7 04-27-2003, 03:14 AM

It looks nice. You may want to rearrange some of the swamp tiles so they don't look so awkward.

Warcaptain · #8 04-27-2003, 03:15 AM

okay to answer people....

ivie may have made them but they were put on ToT and hence they belong to 2 people:

graal online, and godspeed (manager of ToT)

and so unless graal online says they want them for something, godspeed let me have them.

the water is better, because its made for 4 tiles

if i had the four tiles flooded instead of just the one old water tile, itd look better

well it was my understanding that all new world content was released and also ive seen many servers such as era bravo un and delteria all using new world graphics... so i assume its fine.

PrinceDark · #9 04-27-2003, 03:19 AM

Those playerworlds are really using them?

I heard a rumor about an additional tileset being released with graal 3.0 for the dungeon editor or something

G_yoshi · #10 04-27-2003, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain
okay to answer people....

ivie may have made them but they were put on ToT and hence they belong to 2 people:

graal online, and godspeed (manager of ToT)

and so unless graal online says they want them for something, godspeed let me have them.

the water is better, because its made for 4 tiles

if i had the four tiles flooded instead of just the one old water tile, itd look better

well it was my understanding that all new world content was released and also ive seen many servers such as era bravo un and delteria all using new world graphics... so i assume its fine.

Doesn't exactly make it right either. If you don't have thier permission to use them, then you shouldn't. That certainly is anti-quality since you're using someone else's work when that person is not part of your staff. And you wonder why there are servers that get treated better than yours.

G_yoshi · #11 04-27-2003, 03:24 AM

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Originally posted by PrinceDark
Those playerworlds are really using them?

I heard a rumor about an additional tileset being released with graal 3.0 for the dungeon editor or something

To me, NW stuff should stay with NW regardless of it being dead. It just doesn't sound right to give it all away to servers that can't do it on thier own. If a true effort was made then that might be a different story, but I've yet to see a lot of older public servers really put a lot of effort into making things better.

Neglegence2002 · #12 04-27-2003, 04:21 AM

Clear something up. Bravo isnt using NW stuff, so **** Warcaptian, go worry about your own server.

SingleChance · #13 04-27-2003, 05:13 AM

UN doesn't have anything of NW on it either....=\

Warcaptain · #14 04-27-2003, 05:31 AM

ive seen bravo using the barrels

all the content was released for pw's to use

and its just a bomb..... not like im using the tileset.

MadWolf · #15 04-27-2003, 05:46 AM

Nice change from regular classic tilesets. I guess... not to sure. All those sprinkles seem trendy.

HoudiniMan · #16 04-27-2003, 05:50 AM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain
ive seen bravo using the barrels

all the content was released for pw's to use

and its just a bomb..... not like im using the tileset.

Not so fun when people whine and nit-pick about your server is it?

Warcaptain · #17 04-27-2003, 06:00 AM

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Originally posted by HoudiniMan

Not so fun when people whine and nit-pick about your server is it?

never saw anyone nitpick and even if they did thats what this post was for to get opinions.

and no one was whining

Deek2 · #18 04-27-2003, 06:05 AM

This is it? ....o_O
I was seriously thinking of seeing something better.

Neglegence2002 · #19 04-27-2003, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain

never saw anyone nitpick and even if they did thats what this post was for to get opinions.

and no one was whining

Why dont you make your own tileset insted of using ToT's? You say you have these such great staff, so why do you use them?

Warcaptain · #20 04-27-2003, 06:34 AM

i have great staff for new enigma, this is old enigma

no reason to bother new staff for old stuff

Neglegence2002 · #21 04-27-2003, 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain
i have great staff for new enigma, this is old enigma

no reason to bother new staff for old stuff

I heard this so called "new enigma" is for a whole new game your making your just using Graal to test it out.

Warcaptain · #22 04-27-2003, 07:09 AM

new enigma and enigma online are two different things

new enigma is for graal

konidias · #23 04-27-2003, 07:35 AM

For all the hype you've been making about this, it's sure not impressive.

The graphics are low quality... most all of it looks grainy/like something got sprinkled on the tiles. It's far from great.

The level isn't even good either, I don't know you're just showing off the tileset, or the levels, but they both suck. The wall things don't even look like walls... I don't know what's up with the top of the walls, or the square corner things that have X's on them. It doesn't have any sort of style at all, it's just random wall tiles slapped together.

The grass/swamp/whatever is too squared off when it stops at normal grass. The dirt path has no details, the trees look like nothing I've ever seen in nature. (color and leaves) I've never seen a dark red tree with millions of tiny leaves covering it in a perfect circle.

It's too similar to the old tileset, it's just modified tiles, it isn't interesting. You have to make a new style or it's just going to be a modified normal tileset and it doesn't hold my attention long enough for me to even want to give your playerworld a try.

edit: And by GOD that GUI is ugly. Did you make that? You have no idea how to shade do you? You've basically done that "blurry crap shading" where you go from light to dark and it just looks like a big smudgy mess. It's nasty looking.

Angel · #24 04-27-2003, 07:42 AM

First. The NW was Never Released Offical. Unixmad was going to release it in a package.

But cancelled it.

When someone makes a Tileset its belong to Graal Online SOLEY. Not the Manager if anything the creator has more right to ownership than the Manager. And for once War why dont you make your own stuff insteed of leaching off of others? Putting S*** ontop of S*** Doesnt make something good

magicbud3344 · #25 04-27-2003, 07:59 AM

so you can't make your own bomb graphic so you have to use one someone else made? thats pretty sad in my opinon ;X
and i don't know about that NW tiles being able to be used

otherwise anyone could just use their whole tileset on thier server, and the tiles you posted are fugly :X

edit: and where the heck does it say that you are allowed to use new world graphics?

Spark910 · #26 04-27-2003, 11:20 AM

Reminds me of Krynn who used that

I think it was better as Engima. I don't think theres much of a new feel at all to it, thant that of ToT.
Also the trees are awful.

Christian · #27 04-27-2003, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain
okay to answer people....

ivie may have made them but they were put on ToT and hence they belong to 2 people:

graal online, and godspeed (manager of ToT)

and so unless graal online says they want them for something, godspeed let me have them.

the water is better, because its made for 4 tiles

if i had the four tiles flooded instead of just the one old water tile, itd look better

well it was my understanding that all new world content was released and also ive seen many servers such as era bravo un and delteria all using new world graphics... so i assume its fine.

It belong to the creator.
And the creator isn't graal online or godspeed.
Its ivie,
she also worked at ToT.

G_yoshi · #28 04-27-2003, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by Christian

It belong to the creator.
And the creator isn't graal online or godspeed.
Its ivie,
she also worked at ToT.

Psst. Hey! Yeah, you. The moment you put anything on the PW's FTP it becomes property of GO. You can still claim rights to it, but it otherwise belongs to Graal.

Plus, most people know where it originated so its not like people aren't aware that its used with without any permission or that it it not thier work.

Warcaptain. Stop with the double standards. You've come here before and preached how you want new worlds to be judged yet you can't even live up to such extreme expectations yourself. I believe one of your requirements was that a playerworld come up with thier own images including a full tileset. You can't even manage to do that without 'borrowing' a tileset from someone else. Its one of the reasons you and many other managers get ignored.

HoudiniMan · #29 04-27-2003, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by G_yoshi
Stop with the double standards.

AKA hypocrisy

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Originally posted by G_yoshi
Its one of the reasons you and many other managers get ignored.

Moreso because they act like twits...

G_yoshi · #30 04-27-2003, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by HoudiniMan

AKA hypocrisy

Synonyms are fun

But I think WC knows what I'm talking about if not then...I don't know. Another lost cause I guess?

Christian · #31 04-27-2003, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by G_yoshi

Psst. Hey! Yeah, you. The moment you put anything on the PW's FTP it becomes property of GO. You can still claim rights to it, but it otherwise belongs to Graal.

Plus, most people know where it originated so its not like people aren't aware that its used with without any permission or that it it not thier work.

Warcaptain. Stop with the double standards. You've come here before and preached how you want new worlds to be judged yet you can't even live up to such extreme expectations yourself. I believe one of your requirements was that a playerworld come up with thier own images including a full tileset. You can't even manage to do that without 'borrowing' a tileset from someone else. Its one of the reasons you and many other managers get ignored.

No.
GO get the right to use it.
It still belong to the creator.

G_yoshi · #32 04-27-2003, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Christian

No.
GO get the right to use it.
It still belong to the creator.

You are quite sadly mistaken. Please make sure you check the rules again. This is why Stefan doesn't want people being able to upload MP3s and the like. Because it become thier property and they could get sued for claiming files that are copyrighted to someone else. That is why I said the instant you upload something onto a PW's FTP, it belongs to Graal. However, your rights as being the creator of it are respected so if you don't want others using it you can say no.

But overall you relenquish the copyright you automattically get for publishing your stuff to the web when you put it on Graal playerworld servers. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Its in the agreement that you agreed to before you were given your account.

Christian · #33 04-27-2003, 10:42 PM

We are talking about serious rules not about graal rules.

G_yoshi · #34 04-27-2003, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by Christian
We are talking about serious rules not about graal rules.

I am talking about serious rules. Considering that ToT was once online, I have no doubt that tileset was online as well. Therefore it belongs to Graal Online. The creator, whoever it may be, is still allowed to say who can and can't use it, but otherwise they no longer own it. Ownership was given up when they uploaded it but they may still choose who can use it.

konidias · #35 04-27-2003, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by Christian
We are talking about serious rules not about graal rules.

Wtf? They ARE serious. If that's the rule Graal has made, that's how it works. Just because the United States has certain laws about ownership and whatnot, doesn't mean they apply here. Just like the United States has free speech yet you're not allowed to speak freely here.

HoudiniMan · #36 04-27-2003, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by konidias
Just like the United States has free speech yet you're not allowed to speak freely here.

You'd be suprised how many people don't grasp that

G_yoshi · #37 04-27-2003, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by HoudiniMan

You'd be suprised how many people don't grasp that

I'm not surprised in the least that many don't understand that concept

Christian · #38 04-27-2003, 11:50 PM

Thats like you are putting a sign in front of your house: "When you enter all your money belong to the owner of this house".
Such rules arent legal.

Soul-Blade · #39 04-27-2003, 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by Christian
Thats like you are putting a sign in front of your house: "When you enter all your money belong to the owner of this house".
Such rules arent legal.

So...ignorant.

G_yoshi · #40 04-28-2003, 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by Christian
Thats like you are putting a sign in front of your house: "When you enter all your money belong to the owner of this house".
Such rules arent legal.

Let me put it this way: A house is basically private property, The instant you set foot on that person's lot or inside thier home you imediately put yourself under thier authority. At which point, you are then subjected to any rules or guidelines the person living in that home may have. If they have a rule saying that visitor's money is thier property, they can. Its not right, but they can do it or at least its possible to do it here in the US most likely.

Graal is the same way. Its a "private" game. Owned and operated by a business, not the government. You are subjected to whatever rules there may be and you are required to agree to them to play/enter. You willingly agree to a household's rules when you enter the owner's property so its the same thing. If you do not agree to the rules or standards then you should not come onto someone else's property. This is something common with any online game. Its called the EULA (End-User License Agreement). It contains any kind of legal information that is pertinent to the software which is to protect you, the user, and the company that produces and sells the software.