Good sirs of the Graal 2001 staff

TrueHeaT · #1 04-01-2003, 08:34 AM

Please:
Do not use my Karakaze Troupe levels without my consent or permission. I understand that the levels are property of Graal, but I'm hoping you're all decent, courteous people.

If you were to ask my permission and not act before I give my response, I would possibly give you my permission, if you explained exactly what they're for and I approved.

I'd like you guys to please talk to me about stuff, as I'm a Graal 2001 staff member as well, and I think my creative input is important, especially since you are doing awful things with levels I made.

Thanks.

Jeff · #2 04-01-2003, 04:44 PM

If you mean newmain, please don't call it "Graal 2001." I'm afraid that Birdbird stole that name, and his product is currently in the hands of Trevor.

draygin · #3 04-01-2003, 06:02 PM

Like in the previous thread. The levels are mine seeing as how I made them. But the Graphics are definatly you. But seeing as how it was given to GBM neither of us has have any say in the matter since it is now Property of Graal Online.

Not to mention the levels have been online since kt was put up aside from 4 outside levels that Lamer stupidly saved over. I'm guessing the graphics have been up as well since all that happened was some one saved over the overworld levels[dumb] when trying to make some museum or something. [/dumb]

TrueHeaT · #4 04-01-2003, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by draygin
Like in the previous thread. The levels are mine seeing as how I made them. But the Graphics are definatly you. But seeing as how it was given to GBM neither of us has have any say in the matter since it is now Property of Graal Online.

Not to mention the levels have been online since kt was put up aside from 4 outside levels that Lamer stupidly saved over. I'm guessing the graphics have been up as well since all that happened was some one saved over the overworld levels[dumb] when trying to make some museum or something. [/dumb]

They sure are yours because you made part of one or two or them.
fine, OUR levels.

draygin · #5 04-01-2003, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by TrueHeaT

They sure are yours because you made part of one or two or them.
fine, OUR levels.

Part of one or two my ass. There was one and a half levels when I started on it and I finished the rest. Although you added a few things here and there like the cactus on the cave roof and the water in the first cave level. But yes ours works.
adding a few things here and there doesnt make it yours.

Waltz5 · #6 04-01-2003, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by draygin

Part of one or two my ass. There was one and a half levels when I started on it and I finished the rest. Although you added a few things here and there like the cactus on the cave roof and the water in the first cave level. But yes ours works.
adding a few things here and there doesnt make it yours.

Yes, your works.. but they belong to GBM now. I don't even know what they're doing though

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draygin · #7 04-01-2003, 11:04 PM

Yes kyden if you bothered to read every thing you would see that mentioned on several occasions.

Here I took the liberty of reverting the level to before I began working on the project. This was the most complete level. The other level wasnt worth reverting as it would be practically nothing at all. Sadly the tileset doesnt show when doing alt 1 but the change is self evident. I might have left more than was there but I didnt want to short change you on how much of the level you had actually made. I even took time to reverting the sand to your normal one sand tile design.

Yea I think this shows how much work I put into all the levels.

Waltz5 · #8 04-02-2003, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by draygin
Yes kyden if you bothered to read every thing you would see that mentioned on several occasions.

I did bother, I was just reiterating that fact. And because of this, there was no real reason to argue.

draygin · #9 04-02-2003, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by Waltz5

I did bother, I was just reiterating that fact. And because of this, there was no real reason to argue.

You're also quoting me when in the post you quoted there is no mention on wether I care or not if its online. My whole post was to as who made the levels not where it should or shouldnt be.

TrueHeaT · #10 04-02-2003, 02:09 AM

Okay, fine, I don't have any "proof" and I don't even remember details so I'll drop this, but you had no right to start doing **** with the levels and graphics without me, although that was probably MoBloe's fault. I hate that guy.
The work was at LEAST 50/50

I don't want to argue anymore, we're cool.

draygin · #11 04-02-2003, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by TrueHeaT
Okay, fine, I don't have any "proof" and I don't even remember details so I'll drop this, but you had no right to start doing **** with the levels and graphics without me.
The work was at LEAST 50/50

I don't want to argue anymore, we're cool.

Yes work was definatly 50/50 no way I could make such leet graphics. I can make some pretty sharp stick figures though.

Moblojoe · #12 04-02-2003, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by TrueHeaT
Okay, fine, I don't have any "proof" and I don't even remember details so I'll drop this, but you had no right to start doing **** with the levels and graphics without me, although that was probably MoBloe's fault. I hate that guy.
The work was at LEAST 50/50

I don't want to argue anymore, we're cool.

Actually I was only planning on uploading them onto the Server but keeping them disconected from the overworld but when Draygin told me he wanted to use them in the Desert Levels I said that's fine because he told me he made them.

Also I was going to upload them to correct Lamer's mistake and try to gain the old kt's members respect by having it as a memorial of some sort.

And it's Moblojoe, kay.

CheeToS2 · #13 04-02-2003, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Jeff
If you mean newmain, please don't call it "Graal 2001." I'm afraid that Birdbird stole that name, and his product is currently in the hands of Trevor.

Last I heard, he was changing the name o.o
I could be confuzzled though

draygin · #14 04-02-2003, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Moblojoe

Actually I was only planning on uploading them onto the Server but keeping them disconected from the overworld but when Draygin told me he wanted to use them in the Desert Levels I said that's fine because he told me he made them.

Also I was going to upload them to correct Lamer's mistake and try to gain the old kt's members respect by having it as a memorial of some sort.

And it's Moblojoe, kay.

dude wtf you uploaded the levels to the overworld before I even came back as staff. Dont be trying to shove stuff off on other people. I logged on one day and got summoned to it by you. There was only one level up at the moment and I was like upload the rest of it because it looked stupid having just one level sitting there like that. I talked to Jeff and came back as staff then you had me make some desert levels for it. Because you wanted a desert town with a desert for some RP thing and on that note let me finish my pm that I tried to send to you before you logged off yesterday.
If the rate at which I am making levels displeases you feel free to have me fired at any time. In the times that I've been gone from GBM the only person who has done more work than I have from the time I first quit is myself when I was working on the underground levels. I have a life I will not give up my life to pump out levels all the time. I will continue to work at my liesure. If you feel you can find some one who will give you higher quality work in a shorter time frame than I, then feel free to replace me at any time.. Until then... but out.

and its Madmartigan, kay?

or some abbreviation of Madmartigan not Draygin

Oh yea just remembered. You say we have no right to use stuff you made for GBM. That would be like me saying they had no right to edit any levels I made. These things are to be expected. Now if you had it on another server and we went and put it on GBM I'd be raising hell right along with you.

Moblojoe · #15 04-02-2003, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by draygin

dude wtf you uploaded the levels to the overworld before I even came back as staff. Dont be trying to shove stuff off on other people.

Shoving it onto other people? You were the one who removed the trees connecting to the overworld. I was planning just having it there so you could get the levels you wanted so badly =/
Besides When you agreed to help make the Desert kingdom I asked you why are we are keeping it and you never really gave me a clear answer.

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Originally posted by draygin

If the rate at which I am making levels displeases you feel free to have me fired at any time. In the times that I've been gone from GBM the only person who has done more work than I have from the time I first quit is myself when I was working on the underground levels. I have a life I will not give up my life to pump out levels all the time. I will continue to work at my liesure. If you feel you can find some one who will give you higher quality work in a shorter time frame than I, then feel free to replace me at any time.. Until then... but out.

I'm still trying to figure out where I said that the rate you are making the levels 'displeases' me o.O
I haven't made any such refferences =/

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Originally posted by draygin

and its Madmartigan, kay?

or some abbreviation of Madmartigan not Draygin

Whatever Floats your boat.

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Originally posted by draygin

Oh yea just remembered. You say we have no right to use stuff you made for GBM. That would be like me saying they had no right to edit any levels I made. These things are to be expected. Now if you had it on another server and we went and put it on GBM I'd be raising hell right along with you.

I said that they have no authority over what happens to the levels. It's all up to the staff, I mean you can ask the staff "Oh hey can you do so and so" but it still doesn't mean we HAVE to do it just because you made it.