I want your input

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Tell me what you'd like to see on the 2k2 Dustari island.

[Zurkiba]

First Economics then Military.

I say that we first organize our high ranking officers to make a Council.

Then we set up our economics, mainly just farming and water producing and exploration. Then we move on to construction... then Industry.

So after the Industry is set up and we have a stable economic system with low inflation then we can start to form an offensive army and such.

[ZanderX]

Originally posted by Zurkiba
First Economics then Military.

I say that we first organize our high ranking officers to make a Council.

Then we set up our economics, mainly just farming and water producing and exploration. Then we move on to construction... then Industry.

So after the Industry is set up and we have a stable economic system with low inflation then we can start to form an offensive army and such.

You have points, but what if we're invaded while we are setting up "industry" and "Economy"? Hmm?

Military, stability, economy.

[GryffonDurime]

ALL HAIL THE KING! *Is still celebrating* You already know so much of my plans....but if we want to talk economics.....Here' a scaled-down version of my proposition on the towns and economy:

Basicly, all towns should be granted economic autonomy to decide upon their own industries, however there are stipulations to this freedom. All towns must be able to provide for theirselves, and must be producing a certain excess to add to the Kingdom. For example, say the town on Scimitar Peninsula is a producer of naval warfare technology and armament. They'd be expected to be able to arm all their citizens and fill their harbors with ships, but also be able to send some armors and weapons to the capital and be able to help fortify the naval front of Dustari with warships, not a lot but enough to make a noticible contribution. After these conditions are fufilled, the towns are free to do as they please with their remaining tangible assets. They can import and export as their budgets will allow, and towns that do well econoicly, socially, and in other ways will be rewarded by the Kingdom. The only real restrictions on exportation and importation are that A) Goods may not exported to hostile Kingdoms, save in the case of a trade agreement; B) Goods may not be imported from hostile countries, except upon the above arangement; and C) In the case of a trade embargo, support will be given by the Kingdom to any town suffering from it.

[-Axel-]

Barbarian tribe on the north part of the island who protects Dustari from the north for the freedom to live there.

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
ALL HAIL THE KING! *Is still celebrating* You already know so much of my plans....but if we want to talk economics.....Here' a scaled-down version of my proposition on the towns and economy:

Basicly, all towns should be granted economic autonomy to decide upon their own industries, however there are stipulations to this freedom. All towns must be able to provide for theirselves, and must be producing a certain excess to add to the Kingdom. For example, say the town on Scimitar Peninsula is a producer of naval warfare technology and armament. They'd be expected to be able to arm all their citizens and fill their harbors with ships, but also be able to send some armors and weapons to the capital and be able to help fortify the naval front of Dustari with warships, not a lot but enough to make a noticible contribution. After these conditions are fufilled, the towns are free to do as they please with their remaining tangible assets. They can import and export as their budgets will allow, and towns that do well econoicly, socially, and in other ways will be rewarded by the Kingdom. The only real restrictions on exportation and importation are that A) Goods may not exported to hostile Kingdoms, save in the case of a trade agreement; B) Goods may not be imported from hostile countries, except upon the above arangement; and C) In the case of a trade embargo, support will be given by the Kingdom to any town suffering from it.

My way is a little differnt... I believe that for a strong economy to happen we should have ALL Imports and Exports controlled by the Government. This garentees proper success of busienesses. And few things will be made in sold... I believe that Dustari should monoplise on Food Production and Weaponry. Foods are needed for basic life and weapons are needed for enforcement.

We sell excess food and weapons to neighboring nations at a decent price therefore enhacing our general income. Sure we'll have small time jobs in some of the citys/towns such as Shoe Maker, Hunter, etc. We could make the Zormite Armor, the Samurai Armor, The Pirate's Swords... everything and start to gain an income.

And Kamuii, Putting Military before Economics turns you into an Iraqi state, Militant ran and open for rebellion. We'll have a small standing army and standard training durning this too... but we wont mass produce military men.

[GryffonDurime]

Zurki, why would we want to do that? Dustari's more of a democracy now....We have chosen our own king, are working in an enviornment where we can activly affect change...I say let the people work as they wish to without too much restriction by the government.....In 2k2, the key words are FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT. 2k2 allows us much more freedoms in placing a tangible counterpart to so many of our RP Staples, by comparison to 2k1 which limited us so much. By my plan, the government only activly controls the work of a village if they fail to meet the basic standards for a set period of time.

[Pith]

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
Tell me what you'd like to see on the 2k2 Dustari island.

less evilness

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
Zurki, why would we want to do that? Dustari's more of a democracy now....We have chosen our own king, are working in an enviornment where we can activly affect change...I say let the people work as they wish to without too much restriction by the government.....In 2k2, the key words are FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT. 2k2 allows us much more freedoms in placing a tangible counterpart to so many of our RP Staples, by comparison to 2k1 which limited us so much. By my plan, the government only activly controls the work of a village if they fail to meet the basic standards for a set period of time.

Look at the American Free Enterprize... going down and way down. If industry falls under the Government then it would have a controlled decline and rise.

Since when is Dustari become more Democratic? I think that we voted for the Pirate Crew leader... does that mean it's a Democracy?

Freedom can still be given... I dont see how a freedom is taken away if the government controls the industry. And anyways if you give them too much Freedom they rebel. There is a differnce in a controlled Freedom and an out of controlled freedom.

Plus Democracy doesn't mean freedom... Democracy means representation by vote in a council. Which means they can have a law that says if you're over 30 you gotta kill yourself.

Free Enterprize can lead to alot of things that'll go wrong and the economy will soon be destined to fall.

US Economics are falling... so guess what the government is doing? They are starting to take the corperations over little by little.

The true key to the success of economics anyway is to get the money to the people not the federal system. From there you start a never ending system in which the corperations/industries can pay higher percentages to the government...

[GryffonDurime]

Oh Zurkiba, must you constantly remain the Capulet to my Montgue?

[Flamingblaze]

I think that establishing a small border patrol of highly levelled up warriors to protect the border should come first. This should be followed up by stabilizing the government and building our economy. Each kingdom should be able to make the best of 1 thing like the crew best armor dustari best sword, etc so that trading happens, but hey what do I know I'm just an old reject heh.

[trickster2006]

Religion Plan.

1. All Dustari should belong to only one Cult. ((Maybe two.))
2. Have one main church. The Grand Church.
3. Have smaller churchs in towns depending on size.
4.The small churchs are just for worshipping. You may not get items/benefits from worshipping here.
5. Priest pilgrimage to the Grand Church ever so often to express their faith.

[Flamingblaze]

Gah we should all be atheists.

[trickster2006]

Then what will we do about priests that want to join? Don't join a cult? Then that priest is useless! Tell them to reset their accounts?

[Flamingblaze]

Rar you should >< Priests should join and try to convert but the gov't should just be an atheistic body o.o

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Military plan: Mass recruitment of militia, we identify their weaknesses and we work with them to make them good soldiers.

Economic plan: Stockpile then slowly become an autarky (self sufficient economy). Unfortunately, I know Dustari will be labelled as some evil kingdom, even if we are peaceful and isolationist, so it's our only option

Politics: Yeah, so you guys get to vote for your King probably every second month, the senate was successfully installed before we even came up with the idea in the first place, though I'd like to have an advisory council that will help the monarch with his public opinion

[trickster2006]

A little to chaotic for everyone to belong to other cults.
Maybe each military unit could belong to a different cult so they could use the resistances...I just ran this through my head, but they should atleast be organized so we know how to deploy units MUCH more strategically.

[-Axel-]

Originally posted by -Axel-
Barbarian tribe on the north part of the island who protects Dustari from the north for the freedom to live there.

[Amagius]

Concerning, placement, as was said by Kamuii before, the castle would be placed at the top, we should make the first town with it in a Motte and Bailey fashion except it be Concentric and. This may seem like a similar fashion as to the old G2k1 fashion, but this also has to do with the money.

I plan for a taxing money nation. The council makes some cash to create the castle and walls. After that the King sell out pieces of the town to the Baron and then Baron leases out the land for people to own. This does have to do with Feudal system of Medieval times, but there could be some refining, like allowing the people to buy land for themselves instead of constantly renting. Now, if the choice was made to be able to sell, but in most cases lease, then there would be to taxes coming. The Rentees would have to pay a tax based on a percentage or average payment income difference. Then 15% would go to the Barons and the rest would go to the King. Also, they have preliminary tax that is just for being in the kingdom of 5% or lower average payment income difference to be fairer to people who bought homes. Based on this, they'd have free enterprise, yet you also, can collect money to expand to the region or take care of people with Festival's or entertainment OR a welfare settlement (which shouldn't be needed with the enemies and such). As, for invading, really, I wouldn't be greedy at first. If you just build up your settlement with 4 guards at each post watching over to protect, and build up the army, allowing them sleep in a Barracks that would encourage joining the army, yet they'd still pay the lower tax. That way if there are any enemy settlements they can be destroyed or we can re-locate them (if we're feeling nice today. ). You'd pratically do the same thing with the other towns, except there would be a Mayor or another class to collect money and control the town. People will be happy, because of Rewards, and also you have a staple enviorment to set for others showing to others that were not another push-over.

And with the industry, it's free enterprise, and taxes can have more money. The taxes I've suggested are pretty steep, but there just numbers for you to choose. Also, I can create some basic city plans if you liked the ideas I've stated.

[trickster2006]

My new idea.
Your military will have seperate classes that I shall call as units.

Each unit has a different god. With this thing we can launch MUCH more tatical strikes. As for political leaders. We should stick them under the peace god so they will be a bit harder to assassinate and such.
Each unit should hold about 5-10 soldiers at the start.
Oh and maybe 3 mages per unit also.

The point of this idea is to exploit the opponets weaknesses and have a bit more of a classified army instead of just by a rank.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

As for taxing, I don't know what the system Unixmad made is like, so I can't comment on that

For the military Cody suggested, I like the idea of different gods. I already know Arwen worships Brigid which gives 100 resistance to death, and I might too, if I can get a scroll of melee weapons (I want to be on the battlefield as well, watching probably, but nontheless...)

[-Axel-]

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
As for taxing, I don't know what the system Unixmad made is like, so I can't comment on that

For the military Cody suggested, I like the idea of different gods. I already know Arwen worships Brigid which gives 100 resistance to death, and I might too, if I can get a scroll of melee weapons (I want to be on the battlefield as well, watching probably, but nontheless...)

I would see everyone worshipping Brigid in Dustari, as I see Dustari as one of those missionary type kingdoms..... who inforce religion. ( I would see Zormite doing so as well.)

I just don't see it fit "Leaders" entering the battlefield. No ruler in his right mind would go onto the battlefield and risk losing his life. I can only see it fit if the ruler enters the field after the warriors have been killed and only their top commander is left....

Possibly to smash the top commanders head in ;D

Anyway, I might join Dustari, unless it become like a Nation today, since people back then thought different.

By the way, I love you Aftershock...

And I'm pregnant with your baby.

[GryffonDurime]

Oi, King you forgot me! If you ask me, religion isn't such a big deal... I agree that the main forces should be split into batallions based upon their god so that we can strategize resistances, however you also have to think how expensive such an understaking is. To worship a god you need a Scroll of Piety if your a non-Priest, right? That'll be expensive

[Brad]

Put the castle in the center of the map, that way people like the pirates cannot kill you using ships. Have of course walls surrounding the castle making it a fortress, etc.

Anyways, add a cave wherever a mountain or non grassy place is where I can live >;[

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Axel, we can;'t all worship brigid because they cannot wield melee weapons, that's why I talked it over with Arwen and the official religion might be DianCecht, but you are free to worship others like Brigid. And I'm quite shocked about you loving me


Gryffon, we'll see how each god effects each warrior


Brad, we have a location for the castle already, it's a good one, don't worry And if I can, I will make some caves for you

[-Axel-]

I know you can't wield melee weapons under Brigid. But, only Priest should actually have the worshipping powers and the military and rest of Dustari rp worship, meaning they don't actually worship her, but in a sense of rping.

Since it seems horribly wrong seeing a warrior run into the field screaming "FOR BILE MAY HE COVER THE EARTH IN CORRUPTION!" o_O';....


I loved you for a long time, sexy

[brock128]

I think another important part is morale. Build homes for people to live in (Rent out, etc, Read: Playerhouses) and some large inn-like buildings for people to rent out for little money if they cannot offord a house.

Also needed: Bank and Storage...

Aftershock, I think you'll carry Dustari out of the hole Kamuii dug.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by brock128
Aftershock, I think you'll carry Dustari out of the hole Kamuii dug.

He never put it in a hole, it's just that offline managment wasn't really the kingdom's cup of tea

[trickster2006]

When a soldier joins they will be forced to join the militia untill they can afford their own scroll. They must supply their own scroll and learn the skill to become part of the standing military.
Then they will be coordinated to a group and they will be told where to achieve that god. If I come back I may want to roleplay as a commander. Maybe someone will be able to share an account with me...

[Zurkiba]

Republic = BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD...

Person A runs for Monarch and loses... Person A gets mad and starts a rebellion.

Trust me... while I was ruling Zormite I learned that if you elect a leader the people start to become disloyal... Dustari needs a strong leader who will last forever and never bow down to a republic X_x

Dustari has fallen before for not listening to my ideas X_x... and it'll prolly happen again

People become more happy with just one leader. We should just have a simple council of Militants, Wizards, Priest, and other High ranking officers (Dukes, Governer, etc). Which can influnce but not overrule the king.

Republics just lead to corruption and discontent fashions.
-Greatest times in Rome, When the republic fell and the empire fell under the Emperor
-Greatest times in England, before Parliament... when they ruled the world

Nearly everything ran better under a single monarch. People grow more loyal to the king every day.

As for the Senate... it should be replaced by the council mentioned above.

Nothing should be elected in and everything should be appointed... the people work harder and they dont grow so discontented.


And I still suggest economics come before the massing of the army. We'll have a defensive army (aka standing army) but no offensives will happen. If you stay isolated then noone will attack you, or they shouldn't attack you.

These ideas of Democracy and Republic are just bunches of gobble.


And I dont really like the ideas of each unit has a differnt god. No matter what their powers are I, Zurkiba Warhare, can destroy any army that faces me.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

The republic is not an option. Unixmad has stated that there will be elections for a new King every once in a while

[GryffonDurime]

Zurkiba, stop being so high-mighty. Accept that the Democracy is set up and isn't going anywhere for a good while. Might I also point out that the best time Dustari had recently was probably during the Triad Era during the joint rule of Kawaii, Henry, and Tupper.

[ZanderX]

Originally posted by Zurkiba
Republic = BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD...

Person A runs for Monarch and loses... Person A gets mad and starts a rebellion.

Trust me... while I was ruling Zormite I learned that if you elect a leader the people start to become disloyal... Dustari needs a strong leader who will last forever and never bow down to a republic X_x

Dustari has fallen before for not listening to my ideas X_x... and it'll prolly happen again

People become more happy with just one leader. We should just have a simple council of Militants, Wizards, Priest, and other High ranking officers (Dukes, Governer, etc). Which can influnce but not overrule the king.

Republics just lead to corruption and discontent fashions.
-Greatest times in Rome, When the republic fell and the empire fell under the Emperor
-Greatest times in England, before Parliament... when they ruled the world

Nearly everything ran better under a single monarch. People grow more loyal to the king every day.

As for the Senate... it should be replaced by the council mentioned above.

Nothing should be elected in and everything should be appointed... the people work harder and they dont grow so discontented.


And I still suggest economics come before the massing of the army. We'll have a defensive army (aka standing army) but no offensives will happen. If you stay isolated then noone will attack you, or they shouldn't attack you.

These ideas of Democracy and Republic are just bunches of gobble.


And I dont really like the ideas of each unit has a differnt god. No matter what their powers are I, Zurkiba Warhare, can destroy any army that faces me.

Stop being so egotistical. You're not the be all end all, *******.

[Amagius]

Originally posted by ZanderX

Stop being so egotistical. You're not the be all end all, *******.

No matter how many times you try to say that to him, he won't stop. He's still Emperor of Zormite for he knows. He's delusional.

[Zurkiba]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ZanderX

Originally posted by Zurkiba
Republic = BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD...

Person A runs for Monarch and loses... Person A gets mad and starts a rebellion.

Trust me... while I was ruling Zormite I learned that if you elect a leader the people start to become disloyal... Dustari needs a strong leader who will last forever and never bow down to a republic X_x

Dustari has fallen before for not listening to my ideas X_x... and it'll prolly happen again

People become more happy with just one leader. We should just have a simple council of Militants, Wizards, Priest, and other High ranking officers (Dukes, Governer, etc). Which can influnce but not overrule the king.

Republics just lead to corruption and discontent fashions.
-Greatest times in Rome, When the republic fell and the empire fell under the Emperor
-Greatest times in England, before Parliament... when they ruled the world

Nearly everything ran better under a single monarch. People grow more loyal to the king every day.

As for the Senate... it should be replaced by the council mentioned above.

Nothing should be elected in and everything should be appointed... the people work harder and they dont grow so discontented.


And I still suggest economics come before the massing of the army. We'll have a defensive army (aka standing army) but no offensives will happen. If you stay isolated then noone will attack you, or they shouldn't attack you.

These ideas of Democracy and Republic are just bunches of gobble.


And I dont really like the ideas of each unit has a differnt god. No matter what their powers are I, Zurkiba Warhare, can destroy any army that faces me. [/QUOTE

Stop being so egotistical. You're not the be all end all, *******.

I know I'm not Be all end all... that's why I offer suggestions... would you perfer me to put "My opinion for this is..." in every post?

Thank you Gryffon I'm not acting all high and mighty... I am only stating facts -_-. But since noone ever wants to listen to me... EVER... I'll just shut up -_-

[-Axel-]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
Zurkiba, stop being so high-mighty.

...pfffttt.......






ROFLMAO.. Gryffon, how can you say anyone is acting high and mighty?

[ZanderX]

Originally posted by Zurkiba

I know I'm not Be all end all... that's why I offer suggestions... would you perfer me to put "My opinion for this is..." in every post?

Thank you Gryffon I'm not acting all high and mighty... I am only stating facts -_-. But since noone ever wants to listen to me... EVER... I'll just shut up -_-

You are being egotistical, and you can't see it for precisely that reason.

"I CAN DESTROY ANY ARMY"

"IF DUSTARI HAD FOLLOWED MY IDEAS, BLAH BLAH BLAH"

It goes on.

Get your head.

Out of your ass.

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by ZanderX


You are being egotistical, and you can't see it for precisely that reason.

"I CAN DESTROY ANY ARMY"

"IF DUSTARI HAD FOLLOWED MY IDEAS, BLAH BLAH BLAH"

It goes on.

Get your head.

Out of your ass.

Well sorry ... I do that sometimes because I think I own the world at some times... So I get pumped up and say stuff like that.

[ZanderX]

Originally posted by Zurkiba

Well sorry ... I do that sometimes because I think I own the world at some times... So I get pumped up and say stuff like that.

In other words, you're egotistical!

[GryffonDurime]

Umm...Kamuii.....no offense, but your pretty egotistical yourself. I mean....I've been collecting an ongoing chronicle of things you say that make you sound like an egomaniacal control freak, and it's pretty long as is. I'm calling it the Kamuii Document. And yes Zurk, I know I act that way but at least 70% of the time It's either under control or being focused in RPing. The other 30...well....