Graal for other Operating Systems.

iniquitus · #1 02-18-2002, 10:42 AM

Greetings again all,

I'm now on my brand-spankin' new Apple iBook and it's really gorgeous, I never thought I'd buy a Mac a few years ago, but with a laptop like this, how can I refuse.

I'm wondering. Is there any chance for MacOS X and Linux versions of Graal in the near future? I e-mailed Stefan about this over a year ago and he responded to me that one was in testing and that it would be released soon. It's been a year, I'm still here, we're still waiting. So what are the chances of a MacOS X client being released for people like moi? I'll beta test, and de-bug if help is needed. Let me know Stefan!

I'm assuming that with 2002 it's not gona happen, but I can always dream can't I?

Sir Kwang · #2 02-18-2002, 10:49 AM

slimchance =P

iniquitus · #3 02-18-2002, 10:51 AM

Tell me about it... I just wish he'd tell me "no. there will never be one!" instead of saying "working on it." for the last 3 years...

revalation · #4 02-18-2002, 11:15 AM

there is a linux version.

Domini · #5 02-18-2002, 11:22 AM

Wouldn't Mac OS X and Linux have the same code? They both are Unix(mad).

iniquitus · #6 02-19-2002, 10:22 AM

I've yet to see a Linux *Client* version of Graal, I know the *Server* runs on Linux.

freddyfox · #7 02-19-2002, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by iniquitus
I've yet to see a Linux *Client* version of Graal

It hasn't been released publically.

Echos · #8 02-19-2002, 10:33 AM

You mean to tell me, that besides schools, people actually buy macs of their own free will?!

Frolic_RC2 · #9 02-19-2002, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by Echos
You mean to tell me, that besides schools, people actually buy macs of their own free will?!

Sad, sad thought.

iniquitus · #10 02-19-2002, 11:04 AM

iBooks run Debian beautifuly. I initialy used mac's because it was a cheap way to get a PPC system (if you buy form IBM they start at 5000$) PPC is by far a beter processor then x86, the Apple G3 is 64bit, and the G4 is 128bit, and while a g4 is only at 1Ghz in clockspeed right now it still beats the most powerful x86 chip on the market for MUCH MUCH less. When I got this new iBook I noticed that Darwin/MacOS X was actualy starting to be a decent OS, it's lightning fast, beautiful to look at, has amazing performance, and is just plain awesome.

I'm a network admin for a small hospitial here in northern maine (us). I manage over 500 Dell PC's every single day. I've placed a boycot on XP for performance problems (the OS itself uses up almost 512mb of ram without doing anything) as well as SERIOUS security problems. I've released patches to Microsoft for XP and they didn't even acknoledge there was a security problem (this was when the betas were released). so if it's a choice between Windows XP (since 2000 sucks for anything but business, and even there it has no real worth in enterprise computing) and MacOS X, it's MacOS X hands down.

You should keep in mind that you cant really judge a computer form your experience with it from a school, most schools have older, out of date computers, and these computers also have alot of kids abuseing them every day; moreover, they are usaly setup by a complete ***** who has no idea what she/he is doing, and in general, most people will have a bad experience with ANY school computer, I've done work for 3 schools that have PC's and 4 that have Mac's, the Mac's can take the beating of student use ALOT beter then the PC's can, and the PC's are a nightmare in a school environment, especialy when students know how to do amature stuff like editing batch files, or editing registry entries. or even get administrator and teacher passwords from stupid people who let windows create a local .pwl file.

Trust me, it's alot diferent to own one. Look at any Mac owner, and see if they are complaing, look at any PC owner and you'll never hear then end of their complaints about Microsoft and windows. Maybe there is a reason for this.

Personaly, I like jumping on my new Mac when I get in from work, it's nice to work on something that has style and personality to it instead of working with Windows day-in/day-out. I have 2linux boxes siting here besides me, 1 openbsd, 1 freebsd, and one running gnu/hurd (if you even know what that is.) trust me, when it comes to operating systems, i'm not filed under the "ignorance is bliss" catigory. I have no problem recomending a Mac to anyone who wants a good, solid, powerful computer. And I hope to see Graal ported to MacOS X so I can start playing again since I removed windows from my network ;-)

ZanderX · #11 02-19-2002, 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by iniquitus
PPC is by far a beter processor then x86, the Apple G3 is 64bit, and the G4 is 128bit, and while a g4 is only at 1Ghz in clockspeed right now it still beats the most powerful x86 chip on the market for MUCH MUCH less.

Ha. Haha. Hahaha. I honestly don't know where you learned how to examine or even know anything about processors, because the G3 is certainly not 64bit, neither is the G4.

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Originally posted by iniquitus
I'm a network admin for a small hospitial here in northern maine (us). I manage over 500 Dell PC's every single day. I've placed a boycot on XP for performance problems (the OS itself uses up almost 512mb of ram without doing anything) as well as SERIOUS security problems. I've released patches to Microsoft for XP and they didn't even acknoledge there was a security problem (this was when the betas were released). so if it's a choice between Windows XP (since 2000 sucks for anything but business, and even there it has no real worth in enterprise computing) and MacOS X, it's MacOS X hands down.

Good for you, Network Admin guy! Sadly, XP does not eat up 512mb of RAM. If you were using BUILD 0001, maybe. I don't know, but it certainly does not eat up 512MB of ANY kind of RAM on ANY kind of system.

XP has few, if any, security problems. IE6 and MSN Messenger do, but not XP itself. It's widely regarded as one of the most security operating systems ever.

2000 does not suck for anything other than business, you bleeding idiot. I don't know, I guess considering I used it for months as a desktop OS for home use, and so do my friends, I guess it REALLY sucks even though it's amazingly stable and compatible with stuff.

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Originally posted by iniquitus
Trust me, it's alot diferent to own one. Look at any Mac owner, and see if they are complaing, look at any PC owner and you'll never hear then end of their complaints about Microsoft and windows. Maybe there is a reason for this.

I know Mac owners who complain.

I'm a PC owner, I rarely ever complain about Microsoft or Windows, neither do a lot of my technophile friends.

All in all, my verdicts on you are as follows:

Human Being: 8/10
Graalian: 7/10
Computer Literate Individual: 2/10

Crono Illusion · #12 02-19-2002, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Echos
You mean to tell me, that besides schools, people actually buy macs of their own free will?!

Yes, people do. I highly recommend you play around with a Titanium G4 Powerbook or one of those nifty G3 iBooks running OS X for a few hours before insulting them again.

The chance of Graal on either of those systems is slim, though.

However, there's a lot of factually incorrect information in the latest post by inquitis.

Also, I know a Mac owner. He has a first generation iMac. He despises his computer, and wants to smash it as soon as he gets something that actually works (either a G4, or an 800/900mhz PIII).

Torankusu · #13 02-19-2002, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX
Computer Literate Individual: 2/10

You have a thing against them?

ZanderX · #14 02-19-2002, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu

You have a thing against them?

No no no.

He, as a computer literate individual, rates 2/10.

He doesn't know anything.

Torankusu · #15 02-19-2002, 11:25 AM

hey me neither.

My Windows XP thing is not installing. I got 128 ram, and took off my printer and the other things it said, but it still won't install.