Gang Gun Balance

[Frankie9011]

What is your current opinion of the gang guns? Personally I think..
Colt6>Mp44>Scorpion>G36c

I don't know the exact values for each gun's freeze, fire rate, etc, but I can sum it down to this:

Colt6: 25 dmg, above average rate of fire, low freeze, 12 mag cap, average reload
Mp44: 25 dmg, sluggish rate of fire, average freeze, 20 mag cap, longest reload possible
Scorpion: 20 dmg, high rate of fire, low freeze, 45(?) mag cap, long reload
G36c: 20 dmg, high rate of fire, average freeze, 32(?) mag cap, long reload

I'm confused as to why BH gets the best gun(imo), while BB has to suffer with a gun that's barely better than a Black Lotus.
The superiority of the Colt6 is pretty simple to see. It makes people win spars. Just look at Squirt.

If I were in charge of this situation, I would lower the Colt6's mag cap to 8, make it shoot a little slower, reduce reload freeze on Mp44 about 1/4 of its current freeze, lower rate of fire on scorpion, and lower freeze on G36c.

This way, the 25 dmg guns would be equal because: Colt6's low freeze keeps it fast and mobile whereas Mp44's average freeze keeps it a little bulky, but taking advantage of the spread and automatic capabilties of the gun
The 20 damage guns would be nearly equal in stats, except the mag size, and a slight difference in freeze/rate of fire.

Thoughts?

(for those gun retarded mag means magazine, also known as a "clip")

[cbk1994]

I left a note for Masa to take a look at gang guns, a lot of people have been asking for stat changes.

[Thanatoses]

Frank your entire prospect of the gang guns is so naive and contrary a majority of the others as well as how they should be.

Gang Guns should NOT be better than mainstream weapons, a Colt6 shouldn't even be comparable to a Sten. LC's gang gun shouldn't even top an Sg552. In other words gang guns are overpowered as is. None but Colt6 should do above 20 damage (For obvious reasons). All should be nerfed to be below mainstream weapons.

Colt6 should be: 6-Shooter, 25 Damage, less freeze than Taurus and bit less sleeptime.

Mp44 should be: 20 Damage, Bit less sleeptime than Daewoo, bit more freeze than Daewoo.

Scorpion should be: 20 Damage, Bit less sleeptime than SMGPK, bit more freeze, more spread.

BB's Gang Gun: Same or a tad diff spread than 552, bit less freeze, bit more sleeptime.

That'd fix it all.

[Frankie9011]

My idea of gang guns is actually not naive, because I know that what you said is correct, it's just that I didn't feel like wasting my time saying all of that because I'm talking about the current situation... I would love gang guns be mediocre but that won't happen nowadays.
Not to mention.. not many people agree with that perspective on gang guns.

[Pelikano]

Gang guns should be just unique, nothing more.

If you want to make them unique AND useful, then why weapons? Maybe different Nades for every Gang?
I don't know, just brainstorming

[Frankie]

if there's ever going to be a reset in the future, gang guns need to be deleted.

[Pelikano]

We were so close to a reset, then HM made Andy quit and everything went down.

[Aldaris]

And with that being said; if gang guns were made weak, then why not release more than just 5?

[Frankie9011]

Originally Posted by Aldaris

And with that being said; if gang guns were made weak, then why not release more than just 5?

I think if the situation was as Wil described then their would not be a limit on gang guns such as amount released, undropability, etc.

Also, in regard to Sam, personally I feel as if Era in its current state is not in need of a reset anytime soon. I am actually enjoying it considering the economy right now probably would have just as much stuff in it as it does today if there wasn't any spawned money and items.
I can't say I personally like our top administrators, but they have done a good job on getting a lot of illegitimate cash out of Era.

[DustyPorViva]

Gang guns should just be copies of one of the current guns but with perhaps custom graphics or even just a custom name.

[salesman]

Gang guns woudn't be a problem if they were removed from the economy...it would also help if they weren't super powerful

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

We were so close to a reset, then HM made Andy quit and everything went down.

He was pretty far away, actually.

[Thanatoses]

Gang Weapons being deleted would be an extremist, unoriginal and unecessary act. They should be the lowest class of weaponry and unique but equal. Not an unl. amount but a sufficient amount, as well as untaglocked like they originally were.

Business Weapons were equal or superior to mainstrean weapons because they were taglocked, meaning could only be used for a spe cific purpose. I don't know who's bright idea it was to make them undroppable, but I find it unnecessary.