Congratulations Bjorn!

xAndrewx · #1 05-14-2005, 08:06 PM

On getting PWA!

coreys · #2 05-14-2005, 08:46 PM

=O!
I didn't know they were hiring any pwa's! O.o

Darlene159 · #3 05-14-2005, 08:56 PM

?????

Gambet · #4 05-14-2005, 08:59 PM

PWA's were not hiring. If Bjoern was put into the team, well, I guess it's because they like the guy.

Darlene159 · #5 05-14-2005, 09:01 PM

Wouldn't a global have announced this if it were true?

xAndrewx · #6 05-14-2005, 09:03 PM

I don't know, I just heard this. It doesn't surprise me though

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Ajira · #7 05-14-2005, 09:13 PM

I thought he was just GK Admin. o.o

xXDuMajuXx · #8 05-14-2005, 09:49 PM

I think it would be best of the person in the position of power which controls the PW Team at the minute would have beenbetter off announcing this :P

Gambet · #9 05-14-2005, 09:55 PM

It seems Bjoern is going to be added to the PWA team. I like the guy, but I havnt seen him do anything close to what PWA do, so I dont see how andrew can say it doesnt surprise him that he's getting the position.

Hrmm....

This just doesnt seem right.

syltburk · #10 05-14-2005, 09:56 PM

There's still a pw team??

CheeToS2 · #11 05-14-2005, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

It seems Bjoern is going to be added to the PWA team. I like the guy, but I havnt seen him do anything close to what PWA do

That is because he is not PWA yet

Gambet · #12 05-14-2005, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeToS2

That is because he is not PWA yet

What's your point? I've done PWA work and I'm not in the team (I.E all of my reviews/guides that I've posted). So, the fact that he isnt PWA yet is not an excuse.

And let me rephrase my statement..

I meant that he hasnt done anything to show that he would be good for the job. I mean, all I've seen/heard him do is administrate GK and do translations. I dont even think he gets on many servers other then GK/Debug.

Which is why I said "This doesnt seem right."

CheeToS2 · #13 05-14-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

What's your point? I've done PWA work and I'm not in the team (I.E all of my reviews/guides that I've posted). So, the fact that he isnt PWA yet is not an excuse.

And let me rephrase my statement..

I meant that he hasnt done anything to show that he would be good for the job. I mean, all I've seen/heard him do is administrate GK and do translations. I dont even think he gets on many servers other then GK/Debug.

Which is why I said "This doesnt seem right."

You could do review that has little effect on anything, yes, but that is about it. I'm talking about the other things, like finding objectional/illegal content. If he tried to tell a playerworld to change something, he'd probably be laughed at (unless he told a PWA member to go and handle the situation, in which case he is only a complainant). None of the other PWA (that I know of) did anything to take a seat in their positions, so I am not sure why Björn would need to go above and beyond. Normally an application would be called for, but he has been working directly under Stefan for a while, so Stefan knows what to expect.

Gambet · #14 05-14-2005, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeToS2

You could do review, yes, but that is about it. I'm talking about the other things, like finding objectional/illegal content. If he tried to tell a playerworld to change something, he'd probably be laughed at (unless he told a PWA member to go and handle the situation, in which case he is only a complainant). None of the other PWA (that I know of) did anything to take a seat in their positions, so I am not sure why Björn would need to go above and beyond. Normally an application would be called for, but he has been working directly under Stefan for a while, so Stefan knows what to expect.

No, they havnt done anything, but they have completed an application against like 100 others. Each time PWA's are hired, they are hired like 2 at a time, once every X amount of years. So, you are competing against like 100 others for the position, so the application is very important. So, he's been working under Stefan, so what? Does that mean he gets special priviledges? Well, I guess it does.

CheeToS2 · #15 05-14-2005, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

No, they havnt done anything, but they have completed an application against like 100 others. Each time PWA's are hired, they are hired like 2 at a time, once every X amount of years. So, you are competing against like 100 others for the position, so the application is very important. So, he's been working under Stefan, so what? Does that mean he gets special priviledges? Well, I guess it does.

Read the last phrase in my post, silly. Normally an application would be called for, but Stefan has been observing Björn for months already. He already knows whether or not Björn is competent. Lets say you own a business, and you need to hire somebody for a high position. Who do you look at first: The people that you know already who you could give a promotion, or the average Joe on the street?

Gambet · #16 05-14-2005, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeToS2

Read the last phrase in my post, silly. Normally an application would be called for, but Stefan has been observing Björn for months already. He already knows whether or not Björn is competent. Lets say you own a business, and you need to hire somebody for a high position. Who do you look at first: The people that you know already who you could give a promotion, or the average Joe on the street?

I give a fair chance to everyone. Why? Because the average Joe on the street could be far more then average. Which is why applications were made. But, sometimes even those things seem rigged (i.e the last PWA hiring).

CheeToS2 · #17 05-14-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

I give a fair chance to everyone. Why? Because the average Joe on the street could be far more then average. Which is why applications were made. But, sometimes even those things seem rigged (i.e the last PWA hiring).

It is remotely possible that the average Joe could be more capable, but it is already known that Mr. Unpromoted has experience under his belt already; you would not have to worry about trust as much. Björn was good enough to become GK staff, so it is likely he can handle a higher position, since he is already closer to it than most people. I'm not disagreeing that applications are a good medium to hire people, but I am arguing that they are not the only way to do it.

Gambet · #18 05-14-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeToS2

It is remotely possible that the average Joe could be more capable, but it is already known that Mr. Unpromoted has experience under his belt already; you would not have to worry about trust as much. Björn was good enough to become GK staff, so it is likely he can handle a higher position, since he is already closer to it than most people. I'm not disagreeing that applications are a good medium to hire people, but I am arguing that they are not the only way to do it.

is already known that Mr. Unpromoted has experience under his belt already;

Who says that Bjoern has experience with PWA work? Heck, you yourself said that he doesnt because he isnt PWA yet. Could Bjoern be a good PWA? Maybe. Are there better candidates out there? Most likely.

The fact that a PWA member is being hired without anyone even considering anyone else shows that some graal players have special priviledges over others. Of course, most oldbies know this already, but it's humorous how current events influence that statement.

CheeToS2 · #19 05-14-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

is already known that Mr. Unpromoted has experience under his belt already;

Who says that Bjoern has experience with PWA work? Heck, you yourself said that he doesnt because he isnt PWA yet. Could Bjoern be a good PWA? Maybe. Are there better candidates out there? Most likely.

The fact that a PWA member is being hired without anyone even considering anyone else shows that some graal players have special priviledges over others. Of course, most oldbies know this already, but it's humorous how current events influence that statement.

I didn't say he has experience with PWA work, I said he has experience. He has experience with working on an official server, and some pseudo-management skills. When you move to a higher position in a business, you learn new skills that build upon your old ones. Do you have any suggestions as to who should take the position instead?

Gambet · #20 05-14-2005, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeToS2

I didn't say he has experience with PWA work, I said he has experience. He has experience with working on an official server, and some pseudo-management skills. When you move to a higher position in a business, you learn new skills that build upon your old ones. Do you have any suggestions as to who should take the position instead?

I suggest they have another hiring as they did before. Of course, whether they have a hiring or not, Bjoern will be PWA, so I guess it doesnt matter, now does it? Sure, he has experience working on an "official server", but let me ask you this...Is that official server doing any good? If you played GK daily as myself and most others do, you would see that infact GK is dying, drastically. Bjoern is a good person, but role playing has died, events have died, and mostly everything on GK has died ever since Jagen left and Bjoern replaced him. I'm just saying that there are better candidates out there.

CheeToS2 · #21 05-14-2005, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

I suggest they have another hiring as they did before. Of course, whether they have a hiring or not, Bjoern will be PWA, so I guess it doesnt matter, now does it? Sure, he has experience working on an "official server", but let me ask you this...Is that official server doing any good? If you played GK daily as myself and most others do, you would see that infact GK is dying, drastically. Bjoern is a good person, but role playing has died, events have died, and mostly everything on GK has died ever since Jagen left and Bjoern replaced him. I'm just saying that there are better candidates out there.

I'd say 50 players is pretty good for a P2P server with the reintroduction of Zone and other factors. What does he have to do with roleplaying? Besides, there has rarely ever been serious roleplaying on Kingdoms, so your claim is kind of moot. I am not sure about the situation with events, since I am not a regular player, but the last two times I have logged on, there was an event. I do know that Björn spends time making new things, though.

Gambet · #22 05-14-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeToS2

I'd say 50 players is pretty good for a P2P server with the reintroduction of Zone and other factors. What does he have to do with roleplaying? Besides, there has rarely ever been serious roleplaying on Kingdoms, so your claim is kind of moot. I am not sure about the situation with events, since I am not a regular player, but the last two times I have logged on, there was an event. I do know that Björn spends time making new things, though.

What does he have to do with roleplaying? Did you seriously ask me this?

Under his title (position), Bjoern is GK manager. The fact that he has allowed roleplaying to die (which was the sole core of GK), means that he wasnt/isnt very good at managing. GK is all about roleplaying, which is what kingdoms are around for. Bjoern could/couldve done a lot to revive role playing, but he hasnt. Each time I tell him GK is dying, he tells me "if you say so", when he should be asking me the reasons why I think this. Quite frankly, I have not seen anything from Bjoern that would make him right for the PWA position. I dont mind him as GK manager, since he's a cool guy, but when it comes to a global position, being a 'cool' guy doesnt cut it.

CheeToS2 · #23 05-14-2005, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

What does he have to do with roleplaying? Did you seriously ask me this?

Under his title (position), Bjoern is GK manager. The fact that he has allowed roleplaying to die (which was the sole core of GK), means that he wasnt/isnt very good at managing. GK is all about roleplaying, which is what kingdoms are around for. Bjoern could/couldve done a lot to revive role playing, but he hasnt. Each time I tell him GK is dying, he tells me "if you say so", when he should be asking me the reasons why I think this. Quite frankly, I have not seen anything from Bjoern that would make him right for the PWA position. I dont mind him as GK manager, since he's a cool guy, but when it comes to a global position, being a 'cool' guy doesnt cut it.

Like I just said, GK has rarely ever had serious roleplaying in its history, so I do not see how Björn has anything to do with its supposed decline. Also, you just said he is not managing the server well, but you have no problem with him being the manager

?

Anyway, I wish I could've saved my 1900th post for something more flattering, but oh well

. I'd rather not debate in a congratulatory thread.

vvv Sigh, you still are not reading my posts. Oh well.

Gambet · #24 05-14-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeToS2

Like I just said, GK has rarely ever had serious roleplaying in its history, so I do not see how Björn has anything to do with its supposed decline. Also, you just said he is not managing the server well, but you have no problem with him being the manager

?

Anyway, I wish I could've saved my 1900th post for something more flattering, but oh well

I'd rather not debate in a congratulatory thread.

Yes, I have no problem with him being manager, but that doesnt mean I have no problem with how he manages the server. In other words, as a person I dont mind, but how he handles things, then I do mind. And GK use to role play a lot more in the past, but role playing has basically died. Sure, he didnt cause it to die, but he's made no efforts to reviving it. If he cant even control GK, how can he be expected to handle problems throughout all of graal?

Kaimetsu · #25 05-14-2005, 11:44 PM

I don't particularly welcome this move either, but he's probably a better choice than some.

Gambet, who would you have preferred it to be?

Gambet · #26 05-14-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

I don't particularly welcome this move either, but he's probably a better choice than some.

Gambet, who would you have preferred it to be?

I prefer that something else is done where everyone is given an equal/fair chance for the position. If applications are the only way, then I guess I'd prefer applications.

Kaimetsu · #27 05-14-2005, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

I prefer that something else is done where everyone is given an equal/fair chance for the position

Does that answer my question, though?

Gambet · #28 05-14-2005, 11:59 PM

Sure it does.

I dont prefer a person individually, I'd just prefer that things be done fairly.

Kaimetsu · #29 05-15-2005, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

I dont prefer a person individually

You have no preference? You don't know of any other budding PWA member that you'd rate higher than Bjorn?

xAndrewx · #30 05-15-2005, 07:21 AM

I think Gambet is a bit upset, he wanted to become a PWA through an application. Bjorn just got promoted from his work on GK/Zone.

xXDuMajuXx · #31 05-15-2005, 07:51 AM

Applications are insecure aswell. You never know that the "Average Joe" could be some sort of meat head, and get way over himself and do bad things. With Bjoern, he has proven his loyalty, by managing a Gold server. I'm all for the decision, because they know what they are doing up in the Global seats.

Spark910 · #32 05-15-2005, 11:13 AM

I think the threads a little premature.
As far as I know it was only something being considered/requested.

But part of my response to this when asked

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You (18/04/2005 18:39:55):

I'd say GK needs you more :O
We have enough PWA really, well, global staff

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You (18/04/2005 18:43:42):

...................... but until they go there is no real
point in having more
Comment: they meaning some globlas.

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Although I wouldn't object such a decision really, it's just I think we have enough global staff and what I can see (while I admit not much) but some do not really do much as global staff, and there is little point in having more staff with low rights who can't do that much. But like I said, I wouldn't object it, I just think Graal doesn't need more global staff, but having more wouldn't cause that much of a problem I doubt.

syltburk · #33 05-15-2005, 11:34 AM

Ok now its clear, PWA still excist! Thanks.

Crono · #34 05-15-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

You have no preference? You don't know of any other budding PWA member that you'd rate higher than Bjorn?

Maybe he doesn't know who is higher than Bjorn, therefor an application thingy would show who's more worthy? ;o

Gambet · #35 05-15-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

I think Gambet is a bit upset, he wanted to become a PWA through an application. Bjorn just got promoted from his work on GK/Zone.

Bjoern doesnt work on Zone. He has RC on Zone because he helped test it when it was newly released. As far as the comment about me wanting to become PWA, you know what really cracks me up? All of my points are valid, so then some less intelligent person, as yourself, comes in and says I'm complaining because I want to be PWA? Honestly, are you intelligent at all? I've given valid reasoning as to why Bjoern wouldnt be suitable for this position, so why would you give such an idiotic comment as such? You really do surprise me.

Kaimetsu · #36 05-15-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

As far as the comment about me wanting to become PWA, you know what really cracks me up? All of my points are valid, so then some less intelligent person, as yourself, comes in and says I'm complaining because I want to be PWA?

He didn't say that your points were invalid - he merely commented on your motivations. The two issues are completely separate.

Sam · #37 05-15-2005, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

I've given valid reasoning as to why Bjoern wouldnt be suitable for this position, so why would you give such an idiotic comment as such? You really do surprise me.

It is not on you, or any other player/staff of this game to decide who will become high staff on graal except Stefan and Unixmad! And it is not helpful for Gambet what he said in this thread to become any higher staff, be sure!