Globals and Graal

Projectshifter · #1 09-19-2004, 06:20 AM

After consulting with another global friend of mine (who's name will not be mentioned for his sake), it has been realized that Graal has become a game of politics for the most part. It's no longer about your level of work, it's no longer about your skill level, it's about who you know, and how much you are liked. Last week, a major issue was brought before Stefan, in which nothing was done and the individual in question lied and nothing was done. It's sad to think that things are no longer distributed as they should be.
Last month, Loriel (aka Ben) was banned, for an action which will not be mentioned in this thread. The ban was set for a month. At the end of the month, he was unbanned, and got to keep his global job, his global admin level of 2, his many years of free goldtime, higher rights on kingdoms among other things. No punishment of any form or appropriate action was taken. If this had been done by almost anyone else, it would have resulted in a permanent banning or removal of staff position, but it did not.
This is not the first such incident in which action was not taken, and that no one really cared and something was just overlooked. I do not think this should be based upon favorites of who gets specal treatment and who gets overlooked.
The point of this thread is not to bash or anything, it has no mal-intent. The point is to try and gather up an opinion of others who are a part of this game. I have evidence of any claims I have made, and on many other topics, however as I have said, this thread is not mal-intended. I just want to know what you guys think, and I need to do some serious thinking. I'm having trouble finding a reason to stay and help. I do a good deal of global work, moreso than many others, but when it comes to many things, I am the first one overlooked because I'm not one who spends 99% of my time idling on debug or constantly begging for things. I find it amusing when I inquired about modding the NPC Scripting forums that I was denied because I was told it was fine as it was, and then suddenly I notice that I'm the only GST that is not? Also that one of my posts gets snipped, and turned into a thread (without my permission) with a title that undermines the point that I expressed and no one cares to do anything about my request to remove it. Someone abused their powers on the forums (will remain nameless) and made the thread under my account, and it does not allow me to delete it.
So you guys tell me, is there a reason to try anymore? All comments are welcome.

Matman58 · #2 09-19-2004, 06:24 AM

ProjectShifter...am I one the the persons you speak of in your statement??

osrs · #3 09-19-2004, 06:27 AM

That's how the things work man, unfortunately. Don't give up, stay alive.

Projectshifter · #4 09-19-2004, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matman58

ProjectShifter...am I one the the persons you speak of in your statement??

No. All people mentioned in my statement are global staff members.
I have respect for only two global staff left, and they both have said what I have said =/

Matman58 · #5 09-19-2004, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

No. All people mentioned in my statement are global staff members.
I have respect for only two global staff left, and they both have said what I have said =/

Alrighty then, Osrs is right you just gotta hang in there. Things just don't always play out the way people want them. You are a good worker and I understand totally where you are comming from. Just hang in there.

Zethar · #6 09-19-2004, 06:31 AM

Np punishment? He was banned for a month. And why would they take away his rights? From what i know he helps out a lot so why dump him and find someone less qualified.

Gambet · #7 09-19-2004, 06:32 AM

Malinko = Got 2 free years of gold via unixmad
Jagen = Has about 28 years of free gold via (not sure, but i believe unixmad)
ProjectShifter = Not even a darn free second, and he works like hell.

Projectshifter is one of the hardest working globals out there. He is ALWAYS helping people out when they need him, yet he's treated like trash by Loriel, and Jagen. He doesnt get any special priviledges because he doesnt spend his time idling on debug or asking for things, instead, he's out there helping someone. Jagen is seriously an arsehole. I hate him dearly, because the fact that he is very corrupt. Loriel has gotten away with many things and i dislike him for abusing his powers also. Everything all leads up to corruption. PS is the only GST member whom isnt corrupt at all. It's amazing the crap that goes on and nothing is done. There is evidence of Jagen's corruptness and Stefan knows it but he just doesnt feel like taking actions for reasons unknown. Loriel did something horrible and was let off easily and he kept all of his global rights. It's ridiculous, really. There is no control what so ever when it comes to globals. Stefan is too busy to realise what happens when he's not around.

I think that PS still even wanting to work as a GST member is something that even the globals should appreciate, because really, how far can you push someone before they break?

PS has not recieved any special privilidges and he's the only GST member doing his job correctly.

Of course, Lance also does his job well and he isnt corrupt at all. The way i see it, Lance and PS are the only ones who have earned their title as a GST member. Loriel and Jagen are just corrupt add-ons who seem to get away with even the slightest of things.

Projectshifter · #8 09-19-2004, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matman58

Alrighty then, Osrs is right you just gotta hang in there. Things just don't always play out the way people want them. You are a good worker and I understand totally where you are comming from. Just hang in there.

Yeah, I wish I could think that. I've been on this game for at least 4 years now I think if not more. Been a global for ayear and a half basically. April of '03 I believe it was. GK staff for a good 6-12 months before that. I see it as I'm at my peak. Stefan has admitted many times that i do a lot of "PWA work" and am busy helping players and such, yet it gets me no where. There is getting less and less space for global staff who care about this game and the players anymore

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zethar

Np punishment? He was banned for a month. And why would they take away his rights? From what i know he helps out a lot so why dump him and find someone less qualified.

I know what he does, and that is not "hear-say". I do not bash people, least of all my fellow teammates, but he does not do a good deal in the global scheme. I'm still very upset with him and not really on speaking terms, but I will not speak negatively about him none-the-less. Banned for a month is not really punishment when you've been banned repeatedly before. Also, would you ban a staff member for a month and then let him back on as if nothing ever happened?

Gambet · #9 09-19-2004, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

There is getting less and less space for global staff who care about this game and the players anymore

I know a Global who could care less about players...

*cough Jagen cough*

.

Scott · #10 09-19-2004, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambet

I know a Global who could care less about players...

*cough Jagen cough*

.

His job isn't customer service, last time I checked. If you're going to sarcastically mention somone, don't go about it in a ignorant fashion.

Projectshifter: Welcome to 2001, enjoy your stay for the next 4 years.

Gambet · #11 09-19-2004, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott

His job isn't customer service, last time I checked. If you're going to sarcastically mention somone, don't go about it in a ignorant fashion.

Do you think that a GST's job does not revolve around players? Do you think it's just a group of scripters who have access to global RC and basically do nothing? I dont think so. GST HAVE to interact with players to do there job correctly. Jagen is obviously not user friendly, thus, concluding what i said.

Projectshifter · #12 09-19-2004, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambet

Do you think that a GST's job does not revolve around players? Do you think it's just a group of scripters who have access to global RC and basically do nothing? I dont think so. GST HAVE to interact with players to do there job correctly. Jagen is obviously not user friendly, thus, concluding what i said.

As noble as your intentions may be, please do not say negative comments against people, as it undermines the intention of this thread

Also, the GST's job is NOT to necessarily interact with players as much as with staff and NPCs, but I believe the reference was more geared towards a GK position, which we are not going to get into as I know you have some comments which will not add to this conversation in the manner I was intending

Graal is a game, and without players, there is no game, so it is sort of the job of every staff member to interact with players at some level, no matter if it's just explaining something, or fixing a problem they have.

Scott · #13 09-19-2004, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambet

Do you think that a GST's job does not revolve around players? Do you think it's just a group of scripters who have access to global RC and basically do nothing? I dont think so. GST HAVE to interact with players to do there job correctly. Jagen is obviously not user friendly, thus, concluding what i said.

Why do the GST have to communicate with players? I see only reason for them to talk with scripting Staff members, as that's their purpose. Jagen is quite friendly, assuming your only use for him isn't using his talents.

Gambet · #14 09-19-2004, 06:52 AM

Which is exactly what i meant, PS

.

Anyways, i seriously think that you do so much work yet are not known for it.

Which is why i have come up with this:

The more you do, the less you are recognized.

Sadly, it's just how it is. I personally think that PS is one of the best on the team because he is user friendly, he works, he helps out, and he's always trying to improve things to make it better for the people. Graal is nothing without the players, and some staff just dont understand that.

Projectshifter · #15 09-19-2004, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambet

Anyways, i seriously think that you do so much work yet are not known for it.

I really could care less about being "known" for anything, I just want the people such as Stefan and unix to take notice and realize things. To me, if no one on Graal knew my name, yet I could still work and be productive and help out, it would not make a difference to me. It's more important that I get my stuff done. But there has to be a point when you just realize that the people who you report to don't really care, and that you're just part of some mixed up system and you're going nowhere, and what you do doesn't effect much.