Re: Forums Dying?

xManiamaNx · #1 08-26-2004, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonie

Thanks for proving my point

The point being that the thread was fine until you posted? I see.

Now then, activity does seem to have slowed here recently. Most of it I would personally blame on schools and such. I wont mention the rest because it might make moonie omgmadandstuffs and then she'll start an argument, and then close the thread when she realises that she is losing the argument.

...heh... why would it not suprise me if this thread gets deleted...

davidpsy · #2 08-26-2004, 10:26 PM

I really do not believe the thread should of been closed..

xManiamaNx · #3 08-26-2004, 10:27 PM

neither do I.

Gambet · #4 08-26-2004, 10:31 PM

Heres my thoughts on the whole issue that most people blame things on Moonie:

When Moonie became a super moderator, most of the rules were already around. Yes, she did infact add some rules, but you all seem to hate her because she enforces the rules. If you all thought about it, you'd realise that your hatred to her is simply because she does her job, and she does her job well. She closes/deletes threads that personally, if i was in her position, i would close/delete also. Some threads are ridiculous wastes of space, others are filled with spam, some with innapropriate remarks, and if Moonie didnt do her job like she does now, then the forums would be out of control. I think that Moonie is doing a good job, and she doesnt deserve all of these hate remarks. Just like my teachers would always tell me...

"Dont mess with what you dont understand"

And that phrase fits perfectly for those of you who have never been a super moderator on a site before. And, if you have, and your here giving hateful remarks because Moonie is too strict, then that means that you did a horrible job at being a super moderator. So, i think that you should all lay off Moonie and let her be. She's doing a great job, and she's very active.

Kaimetsu · #5 08-26-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

And that phrase fits perfectly for those of you who have never been a super moderator on a site before

Hi.

The problem with Moon Goddess is not that she is too strict. It is that she takes actions which harm the community more than they help it.

haunter · #6 08-26-2004, 10:44 PM

What the hell. The thread was still fine when Moonie posted in it. She has as much of a right to express her opinion on the matter as the rest of you do.

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OMGERS U ARE A RACIST!!!11

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Originally Posted by xManiamaNx

The thread was fine until Moonie posted.

Crap like this isn't exactly adding to the conversation. If you don't want to be called kids, ****ing grow up. It's your fault it got closed.

Gambet · #7 08-26-2004, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Hi.

The problem with Moon Goddess is not that she is too strict. It is that she takes actions which harm the community more than they help it.

Kai, the point is, she gets the job done. She's very active, and she does her job well.

Myomoto · #8 08-26-2004, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Hi.

The problem with Moon Goddess is not that she is too strict. It is that she takes actions which harm the community more than they help it.

Hear!
She kills all the fun

But I guess she doesn't understand our sense of humour... well, most of us... no changes to forums really, they are just slowed down because of less sparetime.

Kaimetsu · #9 08-26-2004, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Kai, the point is, she gets the job done. She's very active, and she does her job well.

Gambet, the point is, that's not true.

davidpsy · #10 08-26-2004, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by haunter

What the hell. The thread was still fine when Moonie posted in it. She has as much of a right to express her opinion on the matter as the rest of you do.

Crap like this isn't exactly adding to the conversation. If you don't want to be called kids, ****ing grow up. It's your fault it got closed.

I never said I didnt want to be called a "kid". My post was actually making fun of that..

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Gambet, the point is, that's not true.

She does do her job and does enfore the rules, the problem is when she closes threads that are not breaking rules and uses her supermod powers to enforce things that are not in the rules.

Myomoto · #11 08-26-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Kai, the point is, she gets the job done. She's very active, and she does her job well.

No, she does her job wrong, it doesn't fit this community ;O

Gambet · #12 08-26-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Myomoto

Hear!
She kills all the fun

But I guess she doesn't understand our sense of humour... well, most of us... no changes to forums really, they are just slowed down because of less sparetime.

What you need to learn is two things....

1) Some things you may find humorous, may also be found offensive or innapropriate

2) You need to know when to be serious, when to "fool" around, and definately when to stop, or when you've taken things so far.

I wasnt just directing that to you, but mostly to everyone.

What you guys are saying, is that, your all acting innapropriate, but you find it amusing, and Moonie steps in, does her job, then you get mad at that.

Moonie is not the enemy....

Remember that.

Myomoto · #13 08-26-2004, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

What you need to learn is two things....

1) Some things you may find humorous, may also be found offensive or innapropriate

2) You need to know when to be serious, when to "fool" around, and definately when to stop, or when you've taken things so far.

I wasnt just directing that to you, but mostly to everyone.

What you guys are saying, is that, your all acting innapropriate, but you find it amusing, and Moonie steps in, does her job, then you get mad at that.

Moonie is not the enemy....

Remember that.

Oh please, any one who can't take the heat on these forums if they went unmod'ed shouldn't even hang around... It went well in the old days aroun' 02' man ;O

Gambet · #14 08-26-2004, 10:58 PM

Doesnt give you the right to blame things on Moonie, and it surely doesnt give you the right to talk negatively about Moonie. Especially since she actually does her job well.

xManiamaNx · #15 08-26-2004, 11:00 PM

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Crap like this isn't exactly adding to the conversation.

I was only stating the truth.

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if you don't want to be called kids, ****ing grow up.

Already have.

I'm suprised this thread is still open with everyone posting off the original topic and stuff D:

Myomoto · #16 08-26-2004, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Doesnt give you the right to blame things on Moonie, and it surely doesnt give you the right to talk negatively about Moonie. Especially since she actually does her job well.

You see, she doesn't do her job well, so yes it does...

Gambet · #17 08-26-2004, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by xManiamaNx

I'm suprised this thread is still open with everyone posting off the original topic and stuff D:

By Moonie closing a thread, and you remaking one, your pretty much saying you dont care about her authority, and your showing a lot of disrespect. So, i wouldnt say much if i were you.

xManiamaNx · #18 08-26-2004, 11:04 PM

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By Moonie closing a thread, and you remaking one, your pretty much saying you dont care about her authority,

That thread did not need to be closed.

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and your showing a lot of disrespect.

your point is?

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So, i wouldnt say much if i were you.

If you were me, but you aren't.

Gambet · #19 08-26-2004, 11:07 PM

If you feel the thread didnt need to be closed, then bring this issue to a forum admin. I wouldve closed the thread if i had the power to also. It was completely off topic and out of line and it started turning into a "Flame and post hatred towards Moonie" thread. Maniaman, you just cant admit when your wrong, and this is one of those times. So, if you have a problem with how Moonie does her job then speak to an admin, if not, then keep quiet, and dont offend Moonie in any way.

XiLe · #20 08-26-2004, 11:12 PM

Moonie does close and delete too many threads too quickly, because she deems the topic innapropriate or something. It is ridiculous sometimes how much things are closed/deleted. I don't think we need to bash her about it, I think she just needs to be told to tone it down a bit and let us post what we want to post.

Gambet · #21 08-26-2004, 11:19 PM

Once again....here's another phrase...just for you xile

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"If we all did what we wanted, the world would be chaos".

I mean, in the world theres laws, and theres police to enforce those laws. On graal theres rules and theres GP's to enforce those rules IN THE GAME. Now, ON THE SITE, there are ALSO RULES, and instead of the Police, or the GP enforcing them, the moderators, super moderators, and admins enforce them. So, moonie can close 100 threads in a mere two minutes, but if they were innapropriate, then people can complain all they want, but they would just be typing and complaining for nothing.

Theres no real reason anyone can give on why Moonie is doing a bad job. The only reason i could ever think of is if she closes a thread she thinks is innapropriate but may not be, but if that were the case, then im sure it would be reopened by another moderator/super moderator/admin, then they would simply tell Moonie that it should be allowed and im sure Moonie wont complain about it.

protagonist · #22 08-26-2004, 11:23 PM

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No, she does her job wrong, it doesn't fit this community ;O

Well then maybe the community should cater to the rules/moderators, rather than vice versa. That is how most communities work. You do not say "MURDER SHOULD BE LEGAL BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KILL SOMEONE," I hope?

Rick · #23 08-26-2004, 11:25 PM

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1) Some things you may find humorous, may also be found offensive or innapropriate

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Heres my thoughts and everything else Gambet said

I find this offensive, remove everything you've said please.

Gambet · #24 08-26-2004, 11:25 PM

I just think that if everyone followed the rules, none of this fussing and fighting and complaining would happen. It's not too hard to follow rules, i mean, most of it is plain common sense.

XiLe · #25 08-26-2004, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Once again....here's another phrase...just for you xile

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"If we all did what we wanted, the world would be chaos".

I mean, in the world theres laws, and theres police to enforce those laws. On graal theres rules and theres GP's to enforce those rules IN THE GAME. Now, ON THE SITE, there are ALSO RULES, and instead of the Police, or the GP enforcing them, the moderators, super moderators, and admins enforce them. So, moonie can close 100 threads in a mere two minutes, but if they were innapropriate, then people can complain all they want, but they would just be typing and complaining for nothing.

Theres no real reason anyone can give on why Moonie is doing a bad job. The only reason i could ever think of is if she closes a thread she thinks is innapropriate but may not be, but if that were the case, then im sure it would be reopened by another moderator/super moderator/admin, then they would simply tell Moonie that it should be allowed and im sure Moonie wont complain about it.

All I hear when you talk now is "I'm improving my post count by flaming other people and insulting them." But anyways, I understand closing inappropriate threads, but I've seen some threads closed and my friends have told me of closed threads that in no way were inappropriate, just Moonie was starting to lose in an argument or something. And about laws in real life: Have you ever been arrested for jaywalking? It is against the law, but you don't get in trouble for doing so. Some rules are mere reminders not to go too outrageously off topic. But having multiple people speak their mind and then it being called arguing is not a reason to close a thread. I feel Moonie is doing a fine job, she just needs to take it down a notch.

Gambet · #26 08-26-2004, 11:31 PM

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All I hear when you talk now is "I'm improving my post count by flaming other people and insulting them."

Do you think i care about a stupid number that shows up everytime i post?. I wouldnt care if they set my post count back to what it was before i posted in this thread. It's a silly number with no meaning.

And i doubt Moonie would use her powers in a corrupt matter. Every thread ive seen her close has deserved to be closed one way or another. It's funny how Moonie's name is mentioned on most closed threads by the same people. Coincidence?...I think not. Some people make threads just looking for it to be closed so that they can complain about Moonie, well, your just making a fool out of yourself.

Kaimetsu · #27 08-26-2004, 11:33 PM

Gambet, your earlier phrase ("Dont mess with what you dont understand") is an argument against people judging matters when they have insufficient experience. Does it not apply equally to positive attitudes? You support Moon Goddess, but what does this support mean if you don't understand the intracacies of moderation?

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I mean, in the world theres laws, and theres police to enforce those laws

Nobody is arguing against the existence of rules.

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Theres no real reason anyone can give on why Moonie is doing a bad job

I already did. She acts without thinking, and in doing so causes damage. Closing threads, offending customers, ruining rulesets...

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if that were the case, then im sure it would be reopened by another moderator/super moderator/admin

If a moderator overruled Moon Goddess' actions then she'd rain all of her available wrath upon them (ie: whine to Unixmad).
Spark thinks in much the same way as her, so he's no use.
And admins? What admins?

XiLe · #28 08-26-2004, 11:33 PM

Gambet: Why do you counter all of my posts by calling me an idiot, fool, or whatever? Do you have something against free speech? I think everyone should voice their opinion without insulting other people in the process of doing so.

Gambet · #29 08-26-2004, 11:36 PM

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Gambet: Why do you counter all of my posts by calling me an idiot, fool, or whatever? Do you have something against free speech? I think everyone should voice their opinion without insulting other people in the process of doing so.

I have not in anyway called you an idiot or a *****. Just because i seem to "throw back" your comments because i feel there insufficient and not enough to fulfill the task you want, doesnt mean im calling you a *****. If you think im calling you a ***** then you must be feeling like a *****. Dont mistake being called something with feeling like something.

And Kai, I havnt seen a thread she's closed that shouldnt have been closed, well, because most closed threads are sent to the recycling bin. So, since im not sure if she does that or not, i wont say anything against your post, because that would be unfair and false.

Kaimetsu · #30 08-26-2004, 11:43 PM

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And Kai, I havnt seen a thread she's closed that shouldnt have been closed

The previous iteration of this thread would be a reasonable example.

Gambet · #31 08-26-2004, 11:45 PM

Well, Moonie posted her opinion then everyone started flaming her. Maybe it shouldnt have been closed immediately, but she shouldve warned them, then again, if she wouldve warned them, they wouldve flamed her some more and it wouldve been closed anyways. The people posting in that thread were acting like immature children.

XiLe · #32 08-26-2004, 11:48 PM

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Maybe it shouldnt have been closed immediately

Thank you. Since those posts were out of line, they should've been deleted, not threads closed. If people continued to post out of line, they should've had their forum accounts suspended or something for __ amount of days. But you finally admit Moonie has closed things before they needed to be. Was it that hard? And I'm sure you would agree with me that it is good we have an active supermod, but there are times when she is a little too strict.

Gambet · #33 08-26-2004, 11:50 PM

It's better to have someone who cares, then to have someone who doesnt care and is on once in a blue moon. Yes, she may have resolved the problem in the other thread in different ways, but hey put it this way, if she wouldve deleted them, then those people wouldve made another thread complaining and wouldve gotten themselves banned for it.

Googi · #34 08-26-2004, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

It's better to have someone who cares, then to have someone who doesnt care and is on once in a blue moon.

Are you making a reference to somebody?

Gambet · #35 08-26-2004, 11:53 PM

No, im not, im just giving my opinion.

XiLe · #36 08-26-2004, 11:56 PM

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then those people wouldve made another thread complaining and wouldve gotten themselves banned for it.

This is my exact point. A thread shouldn't be closed for some people's inappropriate actions. Those people should be penalized by their posts being deleted. And if they make a thread in protest, they should indeed be banned for some period of time. Having your post deleted is done for a reason, and all forum-goers should understand this.

Gambet · #37 08-26-2004, 11:58 PM

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This is my exact point. A thread shouldn't be closed for some people's inappropriate actions. Those people should be penalized by their posts being deleted. And if they make a thread in protest, they should indeed be banned for some period of time. Having your post deleted is done for a reason, and all forum-goers should understand this.

I completely agree. Sadly, some people dont even bother to read let alone even skim through the rules, so then when they get in trouble, they have the nerve to complain about it.

Thallen · #38 08-27-2004, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Kai, the point is, she gets the job done. She's very active, and she does her job well.

Nice joke.

protagonist · #39 08-27-2004, 01:31 AM

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The previous iteration of this thread would be a reasonable example.

It was quickly turning into a way to irrationally attack MoonGoddess.

Children = anyone under the age of 18.

It was a foolish debate just to attack her.

ThinkDifferent · #40 08-27-2004, 01:35 AM

Why the hell was my thread closed? It was in no way violating the rules. Moonie you need to lay off or just leave altogether. I am sick of this CRAP