Managers

[Spark910]

Note to all managers:
Because the manager and co-manager positions gain a lot of power and rights, from now on ALL new managers must be told to us first. We wish to know who is becoming a Manager so we can keep our records up-to-date and express any concerns we may have with that person becoming manager.

ALSO any manager who wishes to quit his/her PW, we would ask for a reason, so we can identify patterns of people quitting the PW, so problems and be noticed from that. And when you quit, as hirring the new managers, if you could let us know who you want to take your place, so records are up-to-date, and once again if the staff team or any of the admins on graal have objections with that peron becoming Manager, problems are solved.

This will most dfinatly change with the payment plans. Although when they are released, we have to keep a record of who is in charge on a server, so keeping us up-to-date on that, would be useful when the time comes.

Finally if any player can see any error with the following list, or a manager, let us know. It’s done this way:

position: nickname (account)

Atlantis:
Manager: zwr (zwr)

Babylon:
Manager: Alexander (Alexander)
Asst. Manager: Cortez (LittleBiiru)

Bravo:
Manager: Brandon (Brandon)
Manager: Mystical Dragon (MysticalDragonP2P)
Manager: Sky (Andor_Admin2)
Co-Manager: Neg (Neglegence2002)

Cynical:
Manager: Excalibur (zell12)

Delteria:
Manager: SP Agent (SP_Agent_1)
Co-Manager: Blade (VikingBladeII)
Co-Manager: Cloven (Cloven_DC)

Doomsday:
Manager: Tifa (TifaKhan)
Co-Manager: ReDeeMeR (kthxbye)

Engima:
Manager: krazyie yang (THEONE-N-ONLYKRAYZIE)

Era:
Manager: Chrisz (Chrisz)

Frolic:
Manager: Cybnext (Cybnext)
Manager: Knuckles (Knuckles)

Gaia:
Manager: Tornado (Senkasui)
Manager: Xys (master-x)

N-Pulse:
Manager: MoonGod (Milkdude99)
Manager: MoonGoddess (Darlene159)

Shaded Ledgends:
Manager: Archangel (Aruchinjiru)
Co-Manager-TtTackler(Nitkizi)

Unholy Nation:
Manager: KillJoy (Icemage25)
Co-Manager: Okilian (Okilian)

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UC/Private PWs:
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Doragon Koden:
Manager: G_Yoshi (G_yoshi)

Graal2230:
Manager: Ghost Pirate (Ghost Pirate)

Maloria:
Manager: MrWorry (JudgeDurst)

Oasis:
Manager: Konidias (konidias)

Rudora:
Manager: GrowlZ (GrowlZ1010)
Manager: Kiirar (Neoreno)
Manager: WanDaMan (WanDaMan)

Shifting Ages:
Manager: Soul Blade (Soul-Blade)

Terra:
Manager: Sebman (Sebman)
Co-Manager: Bingo_Bomy (Ivie)
Co-Manager: Cyrioux (Cyrioux)

Valikorlia:
Manager: Jesse (solar_t)
Co-Manager: Mido (middo )

[zrpgp2p]

Originally posted by Spark910

Maloria:
Manager: BinaryCrash (BinaryCrash)

You might want to fix that.

Manager: MrWorry (JudgeDurst)

[konidias]

Uhh, why do you have like:

Manager
Co-Manager
Co-Manager

They should all be "co-manager". Having one called manager and the others as "co-manager" makes it appear like the one called manager is above the others. If they all manage the playerworld equally, they should all be co-managers. Otherwise, you need to change it to Assistant managers.

So basically, it's impossible to have a manager and co-manager on the same playerworld. You either have (manager, assistant manager) or (co-manager,co-manager).

I know it's not really that big of a deal, but it does kind of organize the entire list of people into their proper categories.

[thesaiyan]

Yes spark.. Its Shaded Legend.. and its ArchAngel(Aruchinjiru)manager and co-manager-TtTackler(Nitkizi)

[Spark910]

Originally posted by zrpgp2p


You might want to fix that.

Manager: MrWorry (JudgeDurst)

Oops yeah! I copied this out of my thread I made in the PW Managers section, but forgot to edit that last one.

Originally posted by konidias


[POST]

Ah well I have changed it now to work the way to be more fair. The reason for not having it like that was it would be harder to quickly see it:

Manager: MrManager (manager1) Unknown (asdf-fdsa)
Co-Manager: HellRaven (unknown_boy) HeavensCast (boy2452ZZ23)

So by putting them all under each other its easier. Anyhow the new fair way is:

Managers:
Co-Manager:

If there is more than one Manager I have put it in Alphbeticla order, OR, if I can remeber who was Manager first out of them, like the original, they are at the top....

Originally posted by thesaiyan
Yes spark.. Its Shaded Legend.. and its ArchAngel(Aruchinjiru)manager and co-manager-TtTackler(Nitkizi)

Changed. Thanks.

[Soul-Blade]

-_-

So why did you need to know the managers, again?

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
-_-

So why did you need to know the managers, again?

There were two purposes to this thread:

1) To give a notice to the Managers
2) To get an accurate list, as you can see I had mistakes, and so, that by its self seems to be a good reason for it, as it may be useful if anyone needs them.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Spark910


There were two purposes to this thread:

1) To give a notice to the Managers
2) To get an accurate list, as you can see I had mistakes, and so, that by its self seems to be a good reason for it, as it may be useful if anyone needs them.

I didn't mean the thread. I mean why do you need to know the managers? Why set rules you cannot enforce?

If a manager wishes to leave, then he will leave. A time limit of staying manager? What a joke! This isn't any legal contract, they aren't paid, and they have no reason to follow such rules.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade


I didn't mean the thread. I mean why do you need to know the managers? Why set rules you cannot enforce?

If a manager wishes to leave, then he will leave. A time limit of staying manager? What a joke! This isn't any legal contract, they aren't paid, and they have no reason to follow such rules.

First of all we want to know all of the managers as it is useful, and important to all of us that we know who’s who where.

We may not be able to fully enforce the rule. But let’s take enigma for example. The manager who took over was a load of rubbish. He didn’t come on, the staffs were in more of a mess, and half of the staff didn't think he should have become manager. If it went through us we would have go opinions on people who the manager wished to become manager, as well as looking what’s best for the server. And maybe Engima wouldn't have been shut down, but it did.

Second reason for having these rules is, do you want me to change it so a Manager can quit, leave any number of people in charge, and the managers left in charge, can quit and leave other people in charge every weekend, so we have new managers each week? Well if you do or don’t, doing such a thing is stupid. While there is no contract, as you have said, if managers are switching between too shot periods of times, actions may be taken against the PW. And such changes all of the time, could, after viewing the reasoning for the managers departure, could suggest this PW no longer needs to be online, as it is not fit to be so.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Spark910
Note to all managers:
ALSO any manager who wishes to quit his/her PW must give us his/her reasoning for doing so, and suggest some managers to take his/her position, identifying who you wish to be the manager from your list. Once/If managers have been switched that manager MUST stay with the PW for at least 4-6months, as we are NOT going to allow rapid change of Management, as this will cause disruption in the development and situation of the PW.

If a Manager wishes to quit they HAVE to give a reason? What kind of nonsense is that? If a Manger wants to quit what difference does it make why she/he wants to quit? A person does not have to seek "permission" to quit a PW; you are way out of line here Spark. We are not paid and we don't owe you or Graal ANYTHING in way of an explanation of why we may want to quit, if we choose to do this then that is up to us not you. If a PW has more than one Manager I don't see why a replacement is necessary or required unless the present Manager wants another person and then they can come to you with that request for that person.

Now I have a question, does this now mean you are going to try to control Staff promotions as well? For instance I may want to promote an Admin to an Asst. Manager position I have to ask you first? Since this is a very low grade Manager I will let you know here I am not going to do this, a full Manager sure I agree with that but not for anything under that. If you start this you will be taking all the rights from the PWs to run their PW, then you don't need Managers the PWA can run it all. It's one thing to want stability on a PW I agree with this and quite another to be too controlling of it.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
If a Manager wishes to quit they HAVE to give a reason? What kind of nonsense is that? If a Manger wants to quit what difference does it make why she/he wants to quit? A person does not have to seek "permission" to quit a PW; you are way out of line here Spark. We are not paid and we don't owe you or Graal ANYTHING in way of an explanation of why we may want to quit, if we choose to do this then that is up to us not you. If a PW has more than one Manager I don't see why a replacement is necessary or required unless the present Manager wants another person and then they can come to you with that request for that person.

Now I have a question, does this now mean you are going to try to control Staff promotions as well? For instance I may want to promote an Admin to an Asst. Manager position I have to ask you first? Since this is a very low grade Manager I will let you know here I am not going to do this, a full Manager sure I agree with that but not for anything under that. If you start this you will be taking all the rights from the PWs to run their PW, then you don't need Managers the PWA can run it all. It's one thing to want stability on a PW I agree with this and quite another to be too controlling of it.

First part: It would be useful incase this happens:

Manager 1: Quitting because this server has no future, and the staff do not listen to my commands.
Manager 2: Nobody respects me on my staff team
Manager 3: Too many corrupt people on the team, I fire them, get more, but they turn corrupt too.

Then we can see that the PW is unfit as a staff team, and something needs to be done.

Second Part: No. But if we know of reasons why this person should not be manager, we would tell you. Either way we need to KNOW who is becoming manager, so we can change our record of Managers. We aren't going tos top you at all, but we will give our opinions if we feel that person is not correct for the postion, you listening to them or not is your choice. It just allows us to know whos where, and stop double managers, and courrpt people getting high jobs.

I should have re-worded my first post but:

1) We need to know of Managment changes as its important we know who the Managers are.

2) We will not allow Managers to be swopping around every other day, as its a job, if you feel you can not handle it for a reasonable length of time to aid the PW, then your probably best not accepting such a position.

[Darlene159]

ALSO any manager who wishes to quit his/her PW must give us his/her reasoning for doing so, and suggest some managers to take his/her position, identifying who you wish to be the manager from your list.

bogus
I agree with Moon God, and Soul-Blade

[Spark910]

I have edited the post above yours. I can see the concerns, and I have not correctly worded my first post to say what I wished to.

[Nitkizi]

Do I get access to special PW Management forums now?

And yes, Asst. Manager makes much more sense. When you say Co-Manager, you are actually saying you are part of something, and I'm not part of Archangel, sooo..

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Nitkizi
Do I get access to special PW Management forums now?

And yes, Asst. Manager makes much more sense. When you say Co-Manager, you are actually saying you are part of something, and I'm not part of Archangel, sooo..

hmm, well im going by what most PWs use as a tag to show their job title. Its up to everyone if they use Asst or Co-. But I have posted in this thread as Co as most people said Co-Manager.