Illegal UN saves for trial

LOA--Paul · #1 03-22-2003, 04:43 AM

Trial accounts on UN are being allowed to save their stats and other things with a special room. As far as I know, this is illegal, sincethere is no point in subscribing if they have it.

the level is unsavepoint.graal, I am very angry about this because I paid for Graal and receive thesame features these trial accounts get.

SingleChance · #2 03-22-2003, 04:44 AM

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Originally posted by LOA--Paul
Trial accounts on UN are being allowed to save their stats and other things with a special room. As far as I know, this is illegal, sincethere is no point in subscribing if they have it.

the level is unsavepoint.graal, I am very angry about this because I paid for Graal and receive thesame features these trial accounts get.

lol i already made a thread about this

edit: but i didn't have a screenshot so i got owned

LOA--Paul · #3 03-22-2003, 04:46 AM

not just the looks are saved if you are wondering.

LOA--Paul · #4 03-22-2003, 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by SingleChance

lol i already made a thread about this

edit: but i didn't have a screenshot so i got owned

of sorry.

I was really, really mad when I heard about this so I didnt even check before i posted

Kinatt · #5 03-22-2003, 11:03 AM

no wonder it has such a high playercount, I was wondering about that.. I mean the server sux bad. So now I understand the playercount! Thx!

Spark910 · #6 03-22-2003, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Kinatt
no wonder it has such a high playercount, I was wondering about that.. I mean the server sux bad. So now I understand the playercount! Thx!

Yeah its illegal. And yeah that would increase player count considerably. Its an intresting idea that. But yes with that people may not subscribe.

Darlene159 · #7 03-22-2003, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by LOA--Paul
Trial accounts on UN are being allowed to save their stats and other things with a special room. As far as I know, this is illegal, sincethere is no point in subscribing if they have it.

the level is unsavepoint.graal, I am very angry about this because I paid for Graal and receive thesame features these trial accounts get.

No wonder they have been getting 150-200 people on it....you can bet stefan or unixmad knows nothing about this

azuretek23 · #8 03-22-2003, 05:52 PM

we had this idea for delteria, but it was quickly put to rest because it would defeat the whole p2p dealy...

this kind of sucks, I spent 350+ on upgrading peoples accounts and giving them away just to see that I didnt have to...

Spark910 · #9 03-22-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by azuretek23
we had this idea for delteria, but it was quickly put to rest because it would defeat the whole p2p dealy...

this kind of sucks, I spent 350+ on upgrading peoples accounts and giving them away just to see that I didnt have to...

By the way your not supposed to upgrade peoples accounts so dont do it anymore.

ETD · #10 03-22-2003, 07:35 PM

well, from what i hear, it has been taken down...

but this remonds me off that messaging system some server had...

it was basically a way for trial accounts to PM, without that 1 min. rule
=o
but that was taken down... so i knew this would be too

LOA--Paul · #11 03-22-2003, 07:38 PM

No, the system is still up, lots of people using it nonstop

Great, JAILED on UN, for bringing this up, an arguement started between those who care abouttheir money, and those who claim "MONEY DOESNT MATTER ITS MORE FUN NOW"

The person with RC didnt like my view and told me to stop, and at the same time they said it (no chance to even stop) jailed

//EDIT: UNJAILED, BUt this TRULY TRULY DISGUSTS me, someone showed the chief edditted logs and put the Fword in my PM's

zell12 · #12 03-22-2003, 08:12 PM

You should send some history to Nemesis. He wouldn't mind knowing a bit more of whats going on here.

ETD · #13 03-22-2003, 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by LOA--Paul
No, the system is still up, lots of people using it nonstop

Great, JAILED on UN, for bringing this up, an arguement started between those who care abouttheir money, and those who claim "MONEY DOESNT MATTER ITS MORE FUN NOW"

The person with RC didnt like my view and told me to stop, and at the same time they said it (no chance to even stop) jailed

yea, just ignore me
=X
it's still up...

and no wonder i saw so many people jailed when i got on
=0

Manta (Manager) (3/22/2003 1:06:16 PM):
Mass message:
OK you Anti-UN people really have to get over the fact that Non-
P2Pers can currently save their game now. Stop complaining
about it! Till either Stefan or Nemesis or any other high staff tells
me THEMSELVES to take it down, it's staying up.

I plan on IMing Nem as soon as he signs onto IM =P so no-one else do it, so he won't get flooded with IM's about this!

zell12 · #14 03-22-2003, 10:13 PM

Get him on Classic, he doesn't his aim that often.

ETD · #15 03-22-2003, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
Get him on Classic, he doesn't his aim that often.

naw, we're buds

i know where he gets on most often... even when he's not on AIM, or graal

Milkdude99 · #16 03-22-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910

By the way your not supposed to upgrade peoples accounts so dont do it anymore.

Thats not a true statement, I have done a few of my Staff and Unixmad is well aware of it , mainly because there was a problem with one. Yet I do not use my own money or a CC , I use PayPal funded either by my PayPal Funds or my Checking account. Point is on the reciept I have they must change the password within 3 days on confirmation of the upgrade, I do not want people's password for their account. Anyone who does this takes a risk, if someone uses a CC and is a stolen CC number then fraud is involed and all accounts upgraded by that person will be banned from Graal Permanently . This is why it's not a good idea to do this. Any cancellation of a payment or CC fraud will cause you to be banned from the Game. You really need to know who you are dealing with and if this person is honest or not. People have sent me Money Orders so they know my address and name , I have nothing to hide and are honest in my dealings but many on Graal are not. I don't make it a habit of upgrading accounts and perfer not to do it. Btw anyone reading this don't get any ideas about me starting a mass upgrade of peoples accounts because I won't, just because I have done a few doesn't mean I want to do anymore.

ETD · #17 03-22-2003, 11:34 PM

umm... MG, check that announcment...

"Never have anyone upgrade your account, if you give your password to someone you are Lost ! We will NEVER unban them, maybe you will think twice before asking someone to upgrade your account. If anyone propose to upgrade your account please write to [email protected] and give me the account name of that person.. "

so according to this, having other people upgrade your account for you is illigal, and if anyone says they will do it for you, you are supposed to turn them in
0.o

unless i missunderstood this statement

PrinceDark · #18 03-23-2003, 04:27 AM

ETD, people are not going to turn that down and neither will they turn in people that offers it.

Milkdude99 · #19 03-23-2003, 04:44 AM

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Originally posted by ETD
umm... MG, check that announcment...

"Never have anyone upgrade your account, if you give your password to someone you are Lost ! We will NEVER unban them, maybe you will think twice before asking someone to upgrade your account. If anyone propose to upgrade your account please write to [email protected] and give me the account name of that person.. "

so according to this, having other people upgrade your account for you is illigal, and if anyone says they will do it for you, you are supposed to turn them in
0.o

unless i missunderstood this statement

I can Read Eric and have already read it ............ I didn't need you to post something I read right after it was posted , this was aimed at "kids" who are using CC Fraud to upgrade accounts , turning me in to Unixmad for something I have emails from him and Lydnzey about would be a waste of time don't you think? You never seem to read my entire post and pick something out of the middle of it to look like something else. But ehh feel free to if you wish.

Kinatt · #20 03-23-2003, 10:01 AM

uhh lets get back on topic..

Um, someone needs to tell Unixmad or Stefan about this cuz It is wrong..

ETD · #21 03-23-2003, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
I can Read Eric and have already read it ............ I didn't need you to post something I read right after it was posted , this was aimed at "kids" who are using CC Fraud to upgrade accounts , turning me in to Unixmad for something I have emails from him and Lydnzey about would be a waste of time don't you think? You never seem to read my entire post and pick something out of the middle of it to look like something else. But ehh feel free to if you wish.

umm... i did read your whole post
0.o
and what part of "Never have anyone upgrade your account" do you not understand?

that was what was posted, so as far as i am worried about, that is the rule (unless otherwise is stated)

Spark said that you are not supposed to upgrade other people's accounts... then you said "Thats not a true statement"

yet it was a true statment... and my quote proves it. If you want to think otherwise, then go ahead
=X

also, i suppose account sharing is illigal, yet you do that as well... i wonder what other rules they let you break?

brock128 · #22 03-23-2003, 05:12 PM

It's been removed.

Darlene159 · #23 03-23-2003, 05:46 PM

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also, i suppose account sharing is illigal, yet you do that as well... i wonder what other rules they let you break?

omg ETD...why are you lying now? Moon God has NEVER shared his account!

melissa1988 · #24 03-23-2003, 06:56 PM

So all that's gonna happen is the removal of the NPC? That's utter BS!!!

ETD · #25 03-23-2003, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Darlene159

omg ETD...why are you lying now? Moon God has NEVER shared his account!

AOC?

i should know... he shared it with ME

now i have my own account upgraded... MG changed the pass, and is now letting someone else use it....

how is it a lye, when it is true?
=X

Milkdude99 · #26 03-23-2003, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by ETD

AOC?

i should know... he shared it with ME

now i have my own account upgraded... MG changed the pass, and is now letting someone else use it....

how is it a lye, when it is true?
=X

No one uses that account but me ................ And this is off topic so knock it off ETD

ETD · #27 03-23-2003, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
No one uses that account but me ................ And this is off topic so knock it off ETD

maybe it is, but Moonie brought it up to discuss
=0

Are you saying that I imagined playing on that account? are you saying that when i see you, AND someone else named Eclipes, or something on at the same time, they are both you?

because i know, as well as most of n-pulse knows, that I used to use that account, and shared it with you... and i had permission
=P
you can't lie your way out of this one

anyways, i don't care... i just thought it was funny how you expect to be able to break this new rule they posted, and how you seem to think the account sharing rule does not apply to you

Ghost Pirate · #28 03-23-2003, 09:22 PM

*cough*shutthecrapholeUNdownplease*cough*

I've had a bad cold lately when it comes to playerworlds lately =X

Darlene159 · #29 03-23-2003, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by melissa1988
So all that's gonna happen is the removal of the NPC? That's utter BS!!!

If so, I will be mad...how much can one PW get by with?
I know for a fact that unixmad didnt know about it because I told him, and got a reply about it, which I am not sharing cause it is private, but it was definately NOT approved

Quote:

Are you saying that I imagined playing on that account? are you saying that when i see you, AND someone else named Eclipes, or something on at the same time, they are both you?

lol, yes Eclipse is moon god...havent you heard that you can have graal open twice?

Milkdude99 · #30 03-24-2003, 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by ETD

Are you saying that I imagined playing on that account? are you saying that when i see you, AND someone else named Eclipes, or something on at the same time, they are both you?

because i know, as well as most of n-pulse knows, that I used to use that account, and shared it with you... and i had permission
=P
you can't lie your way out of this one

anyways, i don't care... i just thought it was funny how you expect to be able to break this new rule they posted, and how you seem to think the account sharing rule does not apply to you

I had 3 Graals open at once , ask Knuckles about it when I was on Frolic or Soul-Blade they were there at the time. Only stupid thing I did was let you use the account and that has been corrected and the only reason you are complaining now. And STAY ON TOPIC ! Get off this or Forum PM me if you wish.

ETD · #31 03-24-2003, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
I had 3 Graals open at once , ask Knuckles about it when I was on Frolic or Soul-Blade they were there at the time. Only stupid thing I did was let you use the account and that has been corrected and the only reason you are complaining now. And STAY ON TOPIC ! Get off this or Forum PM me if you wish.

i WAS on topic... i've just been replying to your posts that are directed to me
=X

Fact: you shared an account with me

Fact: Moonie said you 'never' have shared accounts

Fact: Moonie called me a 'lier' when i was not

Fact: You seem to think you can continue to upgrade other people's accounts, even though Unixmad posted that you should 'never' let someone else upgrade your account for you.

conclusion: you think you are above (at the least) those 2 rules, and Moonie lied
=x

anyways, i've had 4 or 5 graals open at once before (not including RC), so i know you can do that... my point is that (if that WAS you) you were pretending to be a different person while talking to me... so don't try to make me look stupid
0.o'

anyways, i'm dropping this, as long as you drop it as well

JrTerrorist · #32 03-24-2003, 02:34 AM

They know this is wrong, and that they shouldnt be doing it. They'ev had time to take it down.. and havent. So take them down, for good.

Milkdude99 · #33 03-24-2003, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by ETD

i WAS on topic... i've just been replying to your posts that are directed to me
=X

Fact: you shared an account with me

Fact: Moonie said you 'never' have shared accounts

Fact: Moonie called me a 'lier' when i was not

Fact: You seem to think you can continue to upgrade other people's accounts, even though Unixmad posted that you should 'never' let someone else upgrade your account for you.

conclusion: you think you are above (at the least) those 2 rules, and Moonie lied
=x

anyways, i've had 4 or 5 graals open at once before (not including RC), so i know you can do that... my point is that (if that WAS you) you were pretending to be a different person while talking to me... so don't try to make me look stupid
0.o'

anyways, i'm dropping this, as long as you drop it as well

FACT I "Never shared the account with you" I never once got on it after I gave the account to you , that would be account sharing. I only got back on it to take it back by changing the password; when you did what you did because you did not deserve the account and I would rather see the account banned than you to use it. enough said. FACT I haven't upgraded any account in months nor do I plan to or said I was going to , so you lied. As far as making you look like anything , you are doing a fine job on your own why should I help?

ETD · #34 03-24-2003, 03:55 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
FACT I "Never shared the account with you" I never once got on it after I gave the account to you , that would be account sharing. I only got back on it to take it back by changing the password; when you did what you did because you did not deserve the account and I would rather see the account banned than you to use it. enough said.

that's why you were on it yesterday? 0.o you got on it, then i got on it, now you use it...

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FACT I haven't upgraded any account in months nor do I plan to or said I was going to , so you lied.

but the fact is that you said you still would be able to... it isn't if you have or not, it's the fact that you think you are able to, even though the rules say otherwise. it's the simple fact that you think you are above the rules, that's all i'm saying...

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As far as making you look like anything , you are doing a fine job on your own why should I help?

umm.. right...

anyways, TRYING to get back on topic here...

Brock said it has been removed... yet UN still has about 200 players, and Arc still says it should be taken down
0.o
so i still don't know what's up...

but even if it was taken down...they should be punished somehow for it...

Darlene159 · #35 03-24-2003, 05:37 AM

ETD, let me give you the definition of account sharing
when 2 people play alternately on an account..that account in which you refer to was given to you, moon god never got on the account when you were using it....you started doing things that I wont mention because it doesnt belong here on the forums, so moon god took the account back, and changed the password...now you cant say that he shares the account since noone knows the password it is now, and cannot get on it, it was changed immediately when he took it back...now, if someone deems that is breaking the rules, then they should just ban the account..at any rate, it would be worth it just so you dont have it anymore, because you dont deserve it.
Dont ever call me a liar, for I dont lie...I never see a reason to lie. It just so happens that moon god didnt want people to know that was his account, so thats why you didnt know it was him.
As far as I am concerned this conversation is over
Adios

ETD · #36 03-24-2003, 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by Darlene159
ETD, let me give you the definition of account sharing
when 2 people play alternately on an account..that account in which you refer to was given to you, moon god never got on the account when you were using it....

according to your definition, the only way you could be sharing accounts is if 2 people were using it at the exact same time
=X

since i could easily say "i gave my account to ___, then he gave it back to me..." and then just do it again next time i have a friend who wants to use my account... i sure hope someone with authority checks this definition, and comments on either way, because if this definition is true, it could be abused EASILY.

(yay, i think this discussion is over)

TifaKhan · #37 03-24-2003, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by JrTerrorist
They know this is wrong, and that they shouldnt be doing it. They'ev had time to take it down.. and havent. So take them down, for good.

Agreed, hopefully Unixmad will take a stand on this open corruption,for that is what it is.

I decided to upgrade my account for another 12 months today and the thought that many others are not able to yet could simply go to UN to play because of what they had makes me mad.

edit(btw i just went on UN and they still have a save room?)

Tseng · #38 03-24-2003, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by TifaKhan

Agreed, hopefully Unixmad will take a stand on this open corruption,for that is what it is.

I decided to upgrade my account for another 12 months today and the thought that many others are not able to yet could simply go to UN to play because of what they had makes me mad.

edit(btw i just went on UN and they still have a save room?)

I have no problem with it saving peoples clothing. That's a "nice" feature.

However, considering all the other things it saves, I am nonetheless appalled by it. This whole thing circumvents the whole philosophy of paying to have an upgraded account - it makes it almost meaningless to upgrade to play on that server. Let's say there was a 70 player increase because they enabled that save feature. If all those 70 people spent 15 dollars and upgraded to classic, think of how much money that would be! (For those who aren't so quick with math, that would be 735 dollars).

That's a lot of money, to me at least.

If someone stole 735 dollars from me, I'd be upset. *shrugs*

melissa1988 · #39 03-24-2003, 06:08 PM

EXACTLY...It's costing Graal money for UN to do such a thing. UN must die.

zell12 · #40 03-24-2003, 06:34 PM

Account Transfers are illegal. Whether that be giving the account to someone, selling the account to someone, letting someone test your account, etc. Unixmad said this himself and it is in the Code of Conduct somewhere, just have to go find it some day.