I demand that the GuildCP be fixed.

daboo · #1 01-24-2003, 01:19 AM

I beg you, no, as a paying customer, I demand that you, Stefan, Unixmad, or whoever is responsible, fix the guild control panel immediately! I have been waiting for nearly a month for you to fix it; I am getting very, very impatient. One of the reasons I continued to play Graal was because of the guild system, and how it worked. This also had a huge influence in me actually paying for Graal, as well, so I could play along side fellow guildsmen, only to have the system down not long after I pay, and down longer than expected. You haven’t even updated the expected completion time, and have given us no updates on why it is taking so long.

This is not even the first time of such an occurrence, the GuildCP has gone belly up on several occasions, and gone months without being fixed. Now that Graal has gone completely pay based, I had hoped you would improve services. Instead though, you go to ignoring guilds, you have even gone and started a 3D program even though 2k2 is not finished. You act like guilds are an unimportant part of Graal, well, they are not, they are a very important reason for a lot of players to continue playing Graal. I do not want any excuses either, I am a paying customer, and the customer, is always right, if you forget that, you might as well forget getting any profit.

I post this here, on the forums, so others may add comments, because I am sure I am not the only one that dislikes the current guild situation.

~ Brad Derrickson, aka Dunarie

Admins · #2 01-24-2003, 01:31 AM

It took a lot of time for Strome (the one working on the website) to fix all the problems with the old system. There is now a new guild management using the database. It is already ingegrated into the server code (when you play on Graal Kingdoms), and very soon the website things will be opened again. Sorry for the down times, we understand that the guilds things are very important for many players.

Python523 · #3 01-24-2003, 01:39 AM

I hate that phrase 'the customer is always right', it is possible to have a stupid idea, like if a customer said 'unixmad should sell naked pictures of himself for profit' do you think the customer is right?

the guildcp will be working better than it has in 2 years as soon as strome is finished with it

Tseng · #4 01-24-2003, 01:44 AM

I look forward to when its working again

And Jagen, you're absolutely right.

darkriders_p2p · #5 01-24-2003, 02:00 AM

I can't wait until a month from now, when another post gets made again, because I highly doubt it will be released within the next while.

Python523 · #6 01-24-2003, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by darkriders_p2p
I can't wait until a month from now, when another post gets made again, because I highly doubt it will be released within the next while.

when I talked to Strome he said he was making good progress

Brad · #7 01-24-2003, 02:14 AM

sup brad you got same name as me dawg

MilkyWay0016 · #8 01-24-2003, 02:45 AM

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Originally posted by daboo
*long post*

And I want a pony! Where's my pony?!

Just kidding. I agree with you.

Quote:

Originally posted by Python523
I hate that phrase 'the customer is always right', it is possible to have a stupid idea, like if a customer said 'unixmad should sell naked pictures of himself for profit' do you think the customer is right?

In that case, well. Yes, yes I do.

Googi · #9 01-24-2003, 02:47 AM

Local guilds

Use them.

LOA--Paul · #10 01-24-2003, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by Googi
Local guilds

Use them.

Adventure doesnt have those, guy, the Graal website is our original guilds place ;o

Kinatt · #11 01-24-2003, 03:11 AM

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Originally posted by Python523
unixmad should sell naked pictures of himself for profit

Damn straight!!!! roflmao

daboo · #12 01-24-2003, 03:18 AM

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Originally posted by Googi
Local guilds

Use them.

I'm a Classic player, not a PW player, so I can't

BTW, "The customer is always right" is an expression, if a customer doesn't like the service he is getting, then he/she(/it?)'s desires are right, as they are paying for the services/product, they should get what they want (to a certain extent).

Googi · #13 01-24-2003, 03:31 AM

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Originally posted by LOA--Paul

Adventure doesnt have those, guy, the Graal website is our original guilds place ;o

All they have to do is make a guild database and some tag adder NPCs.

zell12 · #14 01-24-2003, 04:44 AM

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Originally posted by daboo

I'm a Classic player, not a PW player, so I can't

BTW, "The customer is always right" is an expression, if a customer doesn't like the service he is getting, then he/she(/it?)'s desires are right, as they are paying for the services/product, they should get what they want (to a certain extent).

Wrong, if you don't like the services, find new services from another game. Harsh, but its the way things are.

And some of the new things are already showing. Like if you login with your Kingdom tag on, it says "That is not a Guild" or something like that. But, it is one, so that should be fixed.

tlf288 · #15 01-24-2003, 05:04 AM

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Originally posted by Googi

All they have to do is make a guild database and some tag adder NPCs.

I'm 99.9% sure you can't have a guild adder npc with no npc server.

syltburk · #16 01-24-2003, 10:20 AM

Oh yeah i need the guildCP up.....
becuse i want Hoss to add me to Baddies

melissa1988 · #17 01-24-2003, 03:37 PM

same here...it's just taking way too long. Hope it's worth it, but usually nothing on Graal is worth waiting for these days

Googi · #18 01-24-2003, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by tlf288

I'm 99.9% sure you can't have a guild adder npc with no npc server.

Didn't the classic servers get NPCServers when Graal went full P2P?

funnylinkwantsbomys · #19 01-24-2003, 06:38 PM

Pride of the Unixmad For Over a Hundred Years.
Unixmad Tested, Mother Approved.

Neoreno · #20 01-24-2003, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Googi

Didn't the classic servers get NPCServers when Graal went full P2P?

I wish, Classic was really itchin' for a recoding.

Megamaniac · #21 01-24-2003, 07:49 PM

i wish npulse was like it was a few years ago.... that rocked i was a superoldbie on it but now it is anti-rocked

and why doesnt my funny picture in my sig work

Googi · #22 01-24-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Megamaniac
i wish npulse was like it was a few years ago.... that rocked i was a superoldbie on it but now it is anti-rocked

and why doesnt my funny picture in my sig work

Because you should be linking the image to http://engrish.com/signs/image/beecareful.jpg not http://engrish.com/signs/image/beecareful.html

Zurkiba · #23 01-25-2003, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by daboo
I beg you, no, as a paying customer, I demand that you, Stefan, Unixmad, or whoever is responsible, fix the guild control panel immediately!

Things to say to help you get banned!

When you signed up for Graal it stated the following things which would render your 'demands' useless.

I. The admins have the right to judge on what is right and what is wrong

II. The Staff are very busy and they will atleast try to reply to your problems. But when you request something it'll probaly be put on bottom.

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So according to the Agreement, Stefan and Unixmad can sit around all day and laugh at you.

The staffers dont have to reply or 'meet' your pms/demands... And the can ban you for going on the forums and going
"I DEMAND THAT BLAH BLAH BE DONE!"

LaymanIX · #24 01-25-2003, 01:07 AM

Theres 2 ways to say your opinion about the GuildCP.

1. The Guild Manager is an important part of the Graal community, and it would be in our best interest if we got it back as soon as possible. Thank you.

2. HURRY UP WITH THE GUILDCP YOU LAZY BUMS.

Pick one.

Googi · #25 01-25-2003, 01:30 AM

Fixing a complex system like GuildCP for one server seems kind of hard and pointless. Wouldn't it be easier to just fix Classic so it can get an NPCServer?

Neoreno · #26 01-25-2003, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by Googi
Fixing a complex system like GuildCP for one server seems kind of hard and pointless. Wouldn't it be easier to just fix Classic so it can get an NPCServer?

They've been doing that for some months.

Going through over six thousand levels takes quite a bit of time, converting every script and putting them in the correct place, adding new stuff and fixing level errors will take a while, and I think that there are only three or four people working on it.

Googi · #27 01-25-2003, 01:42 AM

Well, often, as soon as GuildCP gets back up, it goes down again. Once Classic is fixed, there shouldn't be anymore problems.

Neoreno · #28 01-25-2003, 01:44 AM

They say on the site that Database problems will be a thing of the past. I can only hope that's true.

Tseng · #29 01-25-2003, 01:52 AM

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Originally posted by Googi
Well, often, as soon as GuildCP gets back up, it goes down again. Once Classic is fixed, there shouldn't be anymore problems.

They're making a completely new one.

Zurkiba · #30 01-25-2003, 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by LaymanIX
Theres 2 ways to say your opinion about the GuildCP.

1. The Guild Manager is an important part of the Graal community, and it would be in our best interest if we got it back as soon as possible. Thank you.

2. HURRY UP WITH THE GUILDCP YOU LAZY BUMS.

Pick one.

Yet again... another way to get banned. Calling Stefan and/or Unximad a Lazy Bum.

The Guild Admin isn't in charge of the GuildCP anyways

daboo · #31 01-25-2003, 03:32 AM

Actually, it's in their best interest listen to their customers, especially ones on here, as they are either VIP (like), or Gold Subscribers. Come a year (or 6/3 months, or however much time they have left) from now, the majority will be looking to renew, and if they are not happy with the services they get, they may very well decide not to pay again. Also, the more happy customers there are, the more of a chance there are of getting new ones. Newbies (like them, or not) help Graal grow, and let it continue by providing more revenue.

Zurkiba · #32 01-25-2003, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by daboo
Actually, it's in their best interest listen to their customers, especially ones on here, as they are either VIP (like), or Gold Subscribers. Come a year (or 6/3 months, or however much time they have left) from now, the majority will be looking to renew, and if they are not happy with the services they get, they may very well decide not to pay again. Also, the more happy customers there are, the more of a chance there are of getting new ones. Newbies (like them, or not) help Graal grow, and let it continue by providing more revenue.

If you want them to listen to you you do this

Topic: GuildCP... Please Read
Stefan and Unixmad I have come to you today to discuss the GuildCP. It has been down for many months and I would like to see it up anytime soon. I made this a post because I'd like the players to see this and comment on it.

Not
Topic: I DEMAND THAT THE GUILDCP BE FIXED
OMG I H8 U I NO UPGRDE NXT YEAR CUZ IT DUN WERK.
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And for every one player who quits graal.... five more come in. They are very busy and they'll get to the GuildCP when they can =x

darkriders_p2p · #33 01-26-2003, 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by Zurkiba
And for every one player who quits graal.... five more come in.

if that were true then:

We had about 800-1000 people playing before May, now we have 200-300 people AT MOST between all the servers. thats a 700 player loss. If five more joined for those 700, then stefan would have alot of cashmonies.

700 people times 5 for the replacement, times $39 for the minimum fee (I think).

Lyndzey · #34 01-26-2003, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by darkriders_p2p

if that were true then:

We had about 800-1000 people playing before May, now we have 200-300 people AT MOST between all the servers. thats a 700 player loss. If five more joined for those 700, then stefan would have alot of cashmonies.

700 people times 5 for the replacement, times $39 for the minimum fee (I think).

200-300?! No, more like 500-600.

I have noticed a sharp increase in the players on the servers UN, Era, Delteria, Classic, and Valikorlia. At peak times, they almost all have about 100 players.

Neoreno · #35 01-26-2003, 04:07 PM

The people that left because of full p2p didn't make Graal lose money. In fact, it probably gained them a lot more. People who don't pay and leave Graal is good. Less bandwidth being taken up.

darkriders_p2p · #36 01-26-2003, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by Lyndzey

200-300?! No, more like 500-600.

I have noticed a sharp increase in the players on the servers UN, Era, Delteria, Classic, and Valikorlia. At peak times, they almost all have about 100 players.

I'm sorry if this sounds like an insult or something, but YOU MUST BE SMOKIN SOME BAD ASS STUFF ;o

In peak times, its 100 on era, and then 60 for about 5 servers. Then 10 for 2 servers, and 1 for the rest. So maybe an inbetween, lets say 300-400

tlf288 · #37 01-26-2003, 10:54 PM

You people are talking about the amount of people on at anyone time. I would say there is about 1500 playing graalians right now. They just aren't on all at one time.

ZanderX · #38 01-26-2003, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by darkriders_p2p

I'm sorry if this sounds like an insult or something, but YOU MUST BE SMOKIN SOME BAD ASS STUFF ;o

In peak times, its 100 on era, and then 60 for about 5 servers. Then 10 for 2 servers, and 1 for the rest. So maybe an inbetween, lets say 300-400

There's a counter of total active players on the website.

You'd make a lot more sense if you looked at it.

Lyndzey · #39 01-27-2003, 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by darkriders_p2p

I'm sorry if this sounds like an insult or something, but YOU MUST BE SMOKIN SOME BAD ASS STUFF ;o

In peak times, its 100 on era, and then 60 for about 5 servers. Then 10 for 2 servers, and 1 for the rest. So maybe an inbetween, lets say 300-400

UN had about 120 people on yesterday. Era had about 100, while Classic, Delteria, and Valikorlia had about 80 or so people on it. Plus with all the other servers, we average about 500-600.

AlexH · #40 01-27-2003, 12:44 AM

Graal gets about 600 players on weekdays.
About 700 on weekends.
If you look at the Graal homepage it shows how many are online.
Right now there are 705 players online.