Read this NOW. All of you.

Neonight · #1 09-22-2002, 08:57 AM

Attachment. (Color is horrible. I pasted it into MS Paint. ;x)

Pith · #2 09-22-2002, 09:00 AM

OMFG CORPSE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A GOOD GUY BUT HE SAID BAD WORD WTDS HE SUX RESPECT POINTS -100 POINTS THAT MEANS THAT HE NOW ONLY HAVE -100 POINTS BC I NEVER RESPECTED HIM OMG LELELELE

Lyndzey · #3 09-22-2002, 09:01 AM

Oh ****...

Lets hope konidias can change passwords, Disturbed must have gotten to Corpse again.

Neonight · #4 09-22-2002, 09:01 AM

Now I know I'm gonna see "HE WAS HACKED BY DL" throughout this whole thing, but I must tell you all something.

Disturbed Limit cannot hack. He implants Sub7 into trainers. He told me this when we were actually friends on Elven Lands.

So you can only assume Corpse downloaded a trainer.

Pith · #5 09-22-2002, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight
Now I know I'm gonna see "HE WAS HACKED BY DL" throughout this whole thing, but I must tell you all something.

Disturbed Limit cannot hack. He implants Sub7 into trainers. He told me this when we were actually friends on Elven Lands.

So you can only assume Corpse downloaded a trainer.

AND CORPSE IS POLICE CHIEF ON G2K1 RIGHT?LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL CORRUPT TRAINER USING POLCIE LMAO

Googi · #6 09-22-2002, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight
Attachment. (Color is horrible. I pasted it into MS Paint. ;x)

Gah, Corpse hacked again?

Oh, and just cause Corpse had a Sub7 doesn't mean it was from a trainer.

Lyndzey · #7 09-22-2002, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight
Now I know I'm gonna see "HE WAS HACKED BY DL" throughout this whole thing, but I must tell you all something.

Disturbed Limit cannot hack. He implants Sub7 into trainers. He told me this when we were actually friends on Elven Lands.

So you can only assume Corpse downloaded a trainer.

Corpse and I have been talking over emails for a few days.

Corpse has downloaded many virus scans/firewals, and everything has shown up clean. We thought it was ok, but I guess not.

magicbud3344 · #8 09-22-2002, 09:03 AM

Neo, Coprse has been hacked =\
why thehell would a Police Chief want a trainer when he has RC and he ould do worse with that?
seeing he was abyssed i would say that that wasn't corpse

Lyndzey · #9 09-22-2002, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pith

AND CORPSE IS POLICE CHIEF ON G2K1 RIGHT?LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL CORRUPT TRAINER USING POLCIE LMAO

I don't think Neonight meant a trainer as in a hacking tool.

I think he meant a trainer as in Corpse downloading a virus sent to him by DL.

Neonight · #10 09-22-2002, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Googi

Gah, Corpse hacked again?

Oh, and just cause Corpse had a Sub7 doesn't mean it was from a trainer.

Ask Disturbed himself. He will tell you, point blank, that he puts Sub7 in trainers.

Don't believe me if you don't want to.

I'm sure if Corpse does say he downloaded one, it was to "test the trainer."

Yes, Lyndzey, I meant as in one of those lame programs people use on Classic (or try to) all the time.

Pith · #11 09-22-2002, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lyndzey

I don't think Neonight meant a trainer as in a hacking tool.

I think he meant a trainer as in Corpse downloading a virus sent to him by DL.

why did he download from him ellelel

Lyndzey · #12 09-22-2002, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight

Ask Disturbed himself. He will tell you, point blank, that he puts Sub7 in trainers. Don't believe me if you don't want to.

I'm sure if Corpse does say he downloaded one, it was to "test the trainer."

Yes, Lyndzey, I meant as in one of those lame programs people use on Classic (or try to) all the time.

I know Corpse well enough to know that he did not download a trainer.

I have been talking him since Graal2001 came out, and I know he is not the kind of guy who would download a trainer.

Pith · #13 09-22-2002, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight

Ask Disturbed himself. He will tell you, point blank, that he puts Sub7 in trainers. Don't believe me if you don't want to.

I'm sure if Corpse does say he downloaded one, it was to "test the trainer."

Yes, Lyndzey, I meant as in one of those lame programs people use on Classic (or try to) all the time.

he shouldnt be testing trainers if he doesnt have a good virus scanning program that can detetct sub 7 lelelelelelel idiot

Neonight · #14 09-22-2002, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lyndzey

I know Corpse well enough to know that he did not download a trainer.

I have been talking him since Graal2001 came out, and I know he is not the kind of guy who would download a trainer.

Did the name Soto come to mind when you typed that?

Glory · #15 09-22-2002, 09:20 AM

He did that to my friend except it was only directed at her and no one else... =\

BTW it show's he is on RC...wouldn't corpse's IP range be in it seeing he has been getting hacked lately?

Neonight · #16 09-22-2002, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Glory
He did that to my friend except it was only directed at her and no one else... =\

BTW it show's he is on RC...wouldn't corpse's IP range be in it seeing he has been getting hacked lately?

Think of a Sub7 as Microsoft NetMeeting. With an option checked, you can control the "victim's" computer. In NetMeeting and a Windows XP Home/Office option, you can do the same thing.

Glory · #17 09-22-2002, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight

Think of a Sub7 as Microsoft NetMeeting. With an option checked, you can control the "victim's" computer. In NetMeeting and a Windows XP Home/Office option, you can do the same thing.

ok thanks nm then

Googi · #18 09-22-2002, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight

Think of a Sub7 as Microsoft NetMeeting. With an option checked, you can control the "victim's" computer. In NetMeeting and a Windows XP Home/Office option, you can do the same thing.

No, the second time Corpse was hacked, at first his name was set to "Disturbed Limit" in ASCII characters (I know this because Corpse is on my buddy list, and I had the playerlist open (As I always do, cause I'm FAQ), then he changed it to Corpse (Police Chief), but because Disturbed Limit was the origional name, it's safe to assume DL opened his own graal.exe, and therefore his usual name was already in the nickname box.

Neonight · #19 09-22-2002, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Googi

No, the second time Corpse was hacked, at first his name was set to "Disturbed Limit" in ASCII characters (I know this because Corpse is on my buddy list, and I had the playerlist open (As I always do, cause I'm FAQ), then he changed it to Corpse (Police Chief), but because Disturbed Limit was the origional name, it's safe to assume DL opened his own graal.exe, and therefore his usual name was already in the nickname box.

Do you know nothing about IP ranges, Googi?

Stop making yourself look more idiotic than you are.

R0b1n-NPC · #20 09-22-2002, 09:36 AM

Maybe corpse was having a bad day

konidias · #21 09-22-2002, 09:49 AM

Um, if Corpse got his pass taken again, he is becoming a security risk. I can't keep doing this over and over. If he can't keep his account safe, it would be best for him to not have the position on Graal that he has.

Googi · #22 09-22-2002, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight

Do you know nothing about IP ranges, Googi?

Stop making yourself look more idiotic than you are.

I was just pointing out that DL probably wasn't "overtaking" Corpse's computer or anything.

Perhaps evidence that he was getting Corpse's password through means other then a Sub7?

Neonight · #23 09-22-2002, 09:57 AM

Looks as if I was wrong.
I just talked to Disturbed Limit. Here's the conversation:

Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. (top to bottom)

Tyler says:
Hey DL

Tyler says:
Ok

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
Neonight?

Tyler says:
Now let me get this straight

Tyler says:
Yup

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
Greetings Sir
Tyler says:
You sent Corpse Sub7, right?

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
Nope

Tyler says:
What was it, then?

Tyler says:
Oh yeah, do you mind if I post this convo on the forums, or would you rather me not?

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
heh

Tyler says:
You're basically a celebrity right now lol
Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
LOL

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
I umm.....Could not care less

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
I would consider this convo open source

Tyler says:
Alrighty

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
It is your desicion to do so

Tyler says:
Onto the questions:

Tyler says:
Why did you get Corpse?

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
Because he is insecure and the police chief

Tyler says:
How did you hack him? Nothing specific. Trojan? Telnet?

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
Heh. No hacking was even involved. And I was banned for not hacking. What I did was found out his email address and it was a hotmail account and it expired. Just like I did to Kamikaze Hawlor. heh.

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
So I haven't even hacked. All I did was sign up for an email address that expired

Tyler says:
But his IP range? How'd you get past that?

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
I didn't even log on to his RC

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
He's on RC because it's him o.o

Tyler says:
Then how could you walk around? Are IP ranges limited to the RC program or the client also?

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
Just the RC

Tyler says:
Alright then.

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
Client it don't matter

Tyler says:
Any last words of "wisdom" for your "fans?"

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
I was banned unjustly as every member of the graal community is responsible for their own account

Tyler says:
Alright

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
I think I should be unbanned as I didn't even hack...Only to prove a point

Tyler says:
What point?

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
A point to which account bumpertobumper was exploitable by an email address that didn't even exist at the time because it had expired

Tyler says:
Alright. Make the rest quick.

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
To all the admins that read this please consider thinking about it....I only proved insecuirty to Corpse.

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
insecurity*

Tyler says:
Done?

Ãisturbed Â£imit Â¤ÃœÃ±fÃ¸rgÃ*vÃªÃ±Â¤ says:
yea

Tyler says:
Alright posting.

Very easily done.

Googi · #24 09-22-2002, 10:15 AM

Haha, BS, if DL wanted to prove Corpse's insecurity, he should've pointed it out to Corpse. Or at the most gone on his account and said, "Hi, I'm DL, and I just proved Corpse's account is insecure, fix this".

Removing 90% of the police force was crossing the line.

zell12 · #25 09-22-2002, 10:25 AM

All staff without a big password that is uneasy to guess, a virus scaner and a ip range set into their account should be fired/not hired. That would FIX all of this.

James · #26 09-22-2002, 10:32 AM

Do you think you could please mark out the bad word in that picture?

CheeToS2 · #27 09-22-2002, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Glory
He did that to my friend except it was only directed at her and no one else... =\

BTW it show's he is on RC...wouldn't corpse's IP range be in it seeing he has been getting hacked lately?

The blank level doesn't mean he is an RC, it means hes an admin =P
See his head icon?
It won't show the level (except for a split second) ever for an admin.

Glory · #28 09-22-2002, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CheeToS2

The blank level doesn't mean he is an RC, it means hes an admin =P
See his head icon?
It won't show the level (except for a split second) ever for an admin.

You ARE wrong. I know it means that, I have been staff so many times. It means he is on RC, plus I was on when he was on RC...

Loriel · #29 09-22-2002, 07:36 PM

Googi: Until the server has received the name the client entered at start screen, the player list will show the last used name. That you have seen Disturbed Limit on Ascii characters means only that he was on Corpse's account the last time it was connected.

Cheetos: If you are on RC and on Graal client the same time and someone else opens your client's profile, it shows the locally cached graal client profile with level and everything, but switches to RC's profile as soon as the server sends the "real" profile to the client.

Lyndzey · #30 09-22-2002, 07:52 PM

I think DL was telling the truth.

I didn't know that that email wasn't working for Corpse, so I sent the password to the email in the database. Corpse emailed me from a similiar email (like the beginning was the same), I sent him the password again and all was fine up until now.

So we will just have to set his email to the current one and change the password.

Proxy · #31 09-22-2002, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight

Ask Disturbed himself. He will tell you, point blank, that he puts Sub7 in trainers. Don't believe me if you don't want to.

I'm sure if Corpse does say he downloaded one, it was to "test the trainer."

Yes, Lyndzey, I meant as in one of those lame programs people use on Classic (or try to) all the time.

DL didn't use a Sub7 this time... he abused a windows security glitch found on a prominent hacking site, he wasn't ashamed to admit it.

zell12 · #32 09-22-2002, 09:00 PM

Why couldn't you Global Staff globally ban Disturbed Limit. I mean, we all know he was a hacker, and screwed up many servers, like Mithica :O. And he also thief's accounts, like Flip.

Milkdude99 · #33 09-22-2002, 09:38 PM

Ok I am confused here , I have many accounts and in the 3 years I have played Graal NEVER have I had an account "hacked" and some of the best hackers on Graal have tried BUT I have always protected my comp at all times with a good virus program and a firewall (Norton SystemWorks 2002 right now) so why doesn't anyone in a Staff postion take better care of their accounts? Sorry guys I find it inexcusable to let this happen ......Also why are they allowed to hold high Staff if their IP's change to that degree?Even if they had the password; and the IP is set a hacker cannot get on the RC with the wrong IP, this is why it is so important to have your IP set and not use Staff with a dynamic IP for a RC job. We do but do not allow them to have RC for obvious reasons and give them non-RC jobs.

Googi · #34 09-22-2002, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Ok I am confused here , I have many accounts and in the 3 years I have played Graal NEVER have I had an account "hacked" and some of the best hackers on Graal have tried BUT I have always protected my comp at all times with a good virus program and a firewall (Norton SystemWorks 2002 right now) so why doesn't anyone in a Staff postion take better care of their accounts? Sorry guys I find it inexcusable to let this happen ......Also why are they allowed to hold high Staff if their IP's change to that degree?Even if they had the password; and the IP is set a hacker cannot get on the RC with the wrong IP, this is why it is so important to have your IP set and not use Staff with a dynamic IP for a RC job. We do but do not allow them to have RC for obvious reasons and give them non-RC jobs.

:-\, if you have the skills to hack, I think you can spoof your IP.

zell12 · #35 09-22-2002, 10:23 PM

coughroutercough

freddyfox · #36 09-22-2002, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight

Disturbed Limit cannot hack. He implants Sub7 into trainers. He told me this when we were actually friends on Elven Lands.

So you can only assume Corpse downloaded a trainer.

If a murderer told you he didn't murder people, does that make it true?

Neonight · #37 09-22-2002, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freddyfox

If a murderer told you he didn't murder people, does that make it true?

Read the conversation. I admitted I was wrong.

Basically, Disturbed Limit signed up for Corpse's old hotmail account that had expired and either requested a new password or he looked at an email with the password in it.

To James:

Sorry.

I didn't notice that post. You must've posted that after I left. ;x

gloop · #38 09-22-2002, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
You can't just give yourself an arbitrary IP otherwise the TCP/IP wouldn't work. The server wouldn't be able to send you any data. Sure, you can use a router to achieve a different IP to your 'true' one, but you can't decide "Hey, I want the IP 133.713.371.337" unless you somehow have access to the computer with that IP and are using it to bounce your connection.

nono
you can get an ip spoofer for your comp, it just gives you a selected range

crazyness

PIRAT · #39 09-23-2002, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neonight
Now I know I'm gonna see "HE WAS HACKED BY DL" throughout this whole thing, but I must tell you all something.

Disturbed Limit cannot hack. He implants Sub7 into trainers. He told me this when we were actually friends on Elven Lands.

So you can only assume Corpse downloaded a trainer.

ok so its his own fault and he should be banned for life.

SaitoHajime · #40 09-23-2002, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Ok I am confused here , I have many accounts and in the 3 years I have played Graal NEVER have I had an account "hacked" and some of the best hackers on Graal have tried BUT I have always protected my comp at all times with a good virus program and a firewall (Norton SystemWorks 2002 right now) so why doesn't anyone in a Staff postion take better care of their accounts? Sorry guys I find it inexcusable to let this happen ......Also why are they allowed to hold high Staff if their IP's change to that degree?Even if they had the password; and the IP is set a hacker cannot get on the RC with the wrong IP, this is why it is so important to have your IP set and not use Staff with a dynamic IP for a RC job. We do but do not allow them to have RC for obvious reasons and give them non-RC jobs.

His RC didn't get logged-onto. And not allowing those with dynamic IPs to have RC is a mistake; dynamic IPs make it more difficult for someone to be hacked, because if a "Hacker" got his/her IP address at one time, it will have changed by the time they would have "given up and gone to their hacker friends with that IP for extra help."

And, most dynamic IPs (exception being large providers such as AOL) will only give a certain IP range in a local area; so to have an IP in the IP range would mean they would have to meet a lot of circumstances.

Quote:

Originally posted by PIRAT

ok so its his own fault and he should be banned for life.

To you, all I can say is that you did not read this whole thread, and therefore have no idea what you're talking about.