Review : Colosso

iniquitus · #1 07-03-2002, 11:15 AM

One of my first Reviews, be paitent with me.

Barely meeting the level requirment, with some questionable .nw levels thrown into your heap of .graal's

onlinestartlocal.graal is Boring. Classes? o.k. Seting up the player should be simpiler, and use less chatting. Try being creative and working with menus and such. Once the player decides what class, profession, etc. Where did he/she come from? Where is he/she going? Try to downplay the fact that this is a "playerworld" in game, and make it more story-like. This seems to be what your going for. Stop signing every sign with "-- Jammer" it takes away from gameplay and becomes annoyingly repetitive.

Player walks out of onlinestartlocal and has no hint on what to do. Please, add some sort of sign, carector, or any creative way of giving the player hint's as how to get started. If you went to the store and picked up an RPG and you started playing it not knowing anything, or where to go, or what to do, or even how to get started, would you generaly like the game? The first 10 min of gameplay are very importanat, if your world doesn't "do it" for the player, they will usualy leave within the first 10 min.

So far all the NPC players I've seen are exacaily alike, did you clone them? Found a quest? Hmm... Maybe not. Looks like a quest, smells like a quest... I'm not seeing the point, mainly because it's not finished (or should I say barely started) I hope. I get to an underground room, and kill a pre-defined badie, and get a...

...

Green rupee? I thought you were using your own curency system called Quartz? I shouldn't even see these diamond-like things if thats the case.

Also, look into learning how to script much beter. Your quest would not work in online mode. Then again, it doesn't in offline mode so...

Moving on, swiming down a river, hmm... Diving? Been done, but o.k. Looks neet, you need to get a gani made for underwater though, it's also imposible to get out of the diving area, and when you hit 0% air supply, it starts going into negitive numbers instead of killing you. Hmm, I wish that'd happen in real life

Lots of interactive things, nice touch.

Using classic style of levels, o.k. I'm all for it, but the overall level quality is not submition worthy. I'm seeing far too many tiling errors.

Stolen graphics? Another Instant fail. But I'll continue.

Nice music. Is it yours?

The world itself is very thrown togeather and not planned out well at all. It's very dificult to move arround on the map because of the lack of path's and obstructions blocking the player at times. A squar map with no ocean or sea? Your creating a World are you not?

There is very, very little for players to do, I've found one quest, if you want to call it that, nothing else looks finished.

Go back to the planing stage of this PW's development, think things out before you try and make a world. You could not do anything but re-design the entire world for it to pass, and even then, from the work I'm seeing, It's unlikely you have the skill nessairy to pull off a playerworld that will have a chance right now. Try working for other playerworlds and getting better at your scripting and level making before you attempt this. Or get some people who can work with you.

Overall score: [1.5/10
Status: Unqestionably FAILED
Comment: Go back to the drawing board, this will not work.

Urizen :o

albus777 · #2 07-03-2002, 11:19 AM

Lao_Su2 · #3 07-03-2002, 11:26 AM

Good review D

You should review Rudora

Waltz5 · #4 07-03-2002, 11:32 AM

Aren't you supposed to use the new point system or something?
Because that's what Toran and Jinx did, so I take it all PWA should... whatever, I'm confused now

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Graal518 · #5 07-03-2002, 11:45 AM

Two words: Wowthatmustreallysuckforthem, damn.
-Wind Seablaze

konidias · #6 07-03-2002, 12:32 PM

I don't know about Urizen as a pw reviewer. He sounds really opinionated. Every playerworld doesn't have to follow the guidelines that you set Urizen.

G_yoshi · #7 07-03-2002, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by konidias
I don't know about Urizen as a pw reviewer. He sounds really opinionated. Every playerworld doesn't have to follow the guidelines that you set Urizen.

Question: Based upon his description, would you pass this playerworld?

konidias · #8 07-03-2002, 01:01 PM

Here, let me go through what I think he did wrong in this review.

Try being creative and working with menus and such. Once the player decides what class, profession, etc. Where did he/she come from? Where is he/she going? Try to downplay the fact that this is a "playerworld" in game, and make it more story-like.

This is pure opinion. Every playerworld doesn't have to have a storyline about where the player came from and where they are going. That is personal preference.

Green rupee? I thought you were using your own curency system called Quartz? I shouldn't even see these diamond-like things if thats the case.

Again, maybe they just changed the name? Who are you to say what graphic they use for their currency as long as it's a legal graphic.

Moving on, swiming down a river, hmm... Diving? Been done, but o.k.

This doesn't even need to be mentioned. Tons of things have been done before in other games. Pretty much everything in any playerworld has most likely been done before. This is just adding insult to injury.

A squar map with no ocean or sea? Your creating a World are you not?

The shape of the world should make no difference. Square, circle, or geographically correct. This is just a matter of opinion.

Overall, the review wasn't bad, but next time you review a pw, please leave out all the commentary. It isn't needed. They are asking you to review their playerworld to see if it's good enough to pass. Not for your personal opinion on what you see.

I probably wouldn't have passed the pw either from the sounds of it, but I surely wouldn't put in my own personal thoughts on the matter.

G_yoshi · #9 07-03-2002, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by konidias

I probably wouldn't have passed the pw either from the sounds of it, but I surely wouldn't put in my own personal thoughts on the matter.

Heh, any one of us can say that simply because it sounds good and it's what most people want to hear. To actually stick to it is another thing

brock128 · #10 07-03-2002, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by iniquitus

Player walks out of onlinestartlocal and has no hint on what to do. Please, add some sort of sign, carector, or any creative way of giving the player hint's as how to get started. If you went to the store and picked up an RPG and you started playing it not knowing anything, or where to go, or what to do, or even how to get started, would you generaly like the game? The first 10 min of gameplay are very importanat, if your world doesn't "do it" for the player, they will usualy leave within the first 10 min.

SAME WITH HALF THE SPOONING PWS OUT THERE

Neglegence2002 · #11 07-03-2002, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by iniquitus
a whole latta CRAP

go back to 1st grade and learn to spell

~kthxbye

Jinx · #12 07-03-2002, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by konidias
This is pure opinion. Every playerworld doesn't have to have a storyline about where the player came from and where they are going. That is personal preference.

I agree with that. In my reviews, I do look for storylines, but I'm more interested if they are consistant with it if they have it. I've seen some servers that introduce a nice storyline in the beggining, but you never hear about it again....

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Originally posted by konidias
Again, maybe they just changed the name? Who are you to say what graphic they use for their currency as long as it's a legal graphic.

I have this server on my computer(I didn't even know Urizen was reviewing it), they haven't just changed the name, they've done more.

-Jinx

Sir_Gareth · #13 07-03-2002, 09:40 PM

Seriously...."Levels dont meet Graal Standards?" What the hell what are the standards? A level cramed with tiles from inch to inch? IM SICK OF THOSE EVERY WHERE THERE ARE NO GRAAL STANDARDS

This is err a pretty bias review.

Sir_Gareth · #14 07-03-2002, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by iniquitus
Barely meeting the level requirment, with some questionable .nw levels thrown into your heap of .graal's

What is the level requierment everyone has a different style of levels come on there IS no requierment.

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Originally posted by iniquitus

Player walks out of onlinestartlocal and has no hint on what to do. Please, add some sort of sign, carector, or any creative way of giving the player hint's as how to get started. If you went to the store and picked up an RPG and you started playing it not knowing anything, or where to go, or what to do, or even how to get started, would you generaly like the game? The first 10 min of gameplay are very importanat, if your world doesn't "do it" for the player, they will usualy leave within the first 10 min.

Um, when you walk out of Graal2001 theres no sign telling you were to go poiting out quests or anything, Playerworlds are supposed to be exploered not spoonfed to you were every detail and level is.

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Originally posted by iniquitus

Nice music. Is it yours?

Thats nice to say what happens if IT is theres, What happens if they have a good midi maker thats pretty bad to say.

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Originally posted by iniquitus

Also, look into learning how to script much beter. Your quest would not work in online mode. Then again, it doesn't in offline mode so...

Maybe it doesnt work offline because its scripted with an NPC server if its scripted with an npc server it wouldt work offline.

Playerworld Review(er): Failed

nyghtGT · #15 07-03-2002, 09:54 PM

Wolf: I dont think it was bias at all, you seem to hate him because he gives "harsh" reveiws? BUT... if he passed it you all would be like "wts! DUID! THIS SERBER IS O SO GAI! j00 SHOULD BEI PHIRED!" please. get off his back, obviously he is good if he is at the position he is.

Sir_Gareth · #16 07-03-2002, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by nyghtGT
Wolf: I dont think it was bias at all, you seem to hate him because he gives "harsh" reveiws? BUT... if he passed it you all would be like "wts! DUID! THIS SERBER IS O SO GAI! j00 SHOULD BEI PHIRED!" please. get off his back, obviously he is good if he is at the position he is.

I dont hate him. And im not even part of this playerworld staff he is reviewing.

iniquitus · #17 07-03-2002, 09:59 PM

1.) I don't normaly give opinions, but in this case, the submitter specificaily asked for input on what exacialy I personaly liked, and disliked.

2.) Don't assume I'm beeing too harsh, I was actualy nice about what I said. On currency? They created a currency system using a system NPC. The green rupee that is dropped from the "boss" in their quest was not part of their new currency system. In fact, they didn't even bother scripting a boss, they used a pre-defined badie, changed the look, and set it to drop a rupee when killed.

As far as the look? Level quality? I'm one of the few people who actualy likes the classic level style and minimal tiling, again your making assumptions, picture a blank level, add a pre-defined house (un-modified) some fencing, trees, (badly placed) and 5,000,000,000 bushes, roots, and other things in your way to move arround. With levels like this, I don't even think he could get accepted as a LAT on a desperate Playerworld.

I stick to my review. The "comments" about my opinion, were asked for.

"kthxbai!"

Urizen

jeff335 · #18 07-03-2002, 10:06 PM

Look, Urizen did a bloody good job.

Yes, shape of the world and story are secondary to internal consistency, though...that's the only place where opinion came in too much.

iniquitus · #19 07-03-2002, 10:12 PM

Thanks, keep in mind that I normaly don't/wont review unless Jinx and Torankusu have too many to do. So arguing about weather I should or shouldn't review? Bleh

As for the storyline, it seemed like they were trying to make an RP server with the classes and everything, so it's almost nessairy to a point in my view... I'm fine with no story line if its just a games server like 2001. Anyway. There it is. :o

Urizen

faiola · #20 07-03-2002, 10:12 PM

hmm when my server gets reviewed i think i'll send it 2 you.... you seem to know what a pw needs...

iniquitus · #21 07-03-2002, 10:14 PM

Oh yes, and people who have been PMing me saying they want me to review their PW? You can try to flatter me all you like, but my review of your PW will not change. So don't take it personal if I give your PW a bad review, I'm giving the PW a review, not you.

Urizen

Darlene159 · #22 07-04-2002, 12:27 AM

I see nothing wrong with Urizen's review...it shows he is not afraid to tell people exactly what is wrong with the PW, so they know exactly what to fix...with more PW checkers like him, crappy servers wont get put up maybe

Good job Urizen

XxxxneosoftxxxX · #23 07-04-2002, 08:59 AM

ummm yeah...that was probably one of the best reviews I've seen yet. (I haven't seen THAT many but.) As well as pointing out where the PW went wrong, he specifically explained to them where they went wrong. If you think about it, PWA are always sayin "work on it and send it back in again". He decided to say what to work on, and although I think that the other PWA are good at reviewing, most dont' put that in. I think it would help if they included several screenshots of what they were referring to, because the players mught not understand how good, or in this case how bad the levels or quests are. Um, one of the onyl things that I saw were bad, were the use of vocabulary.. In school I don't htink they like it when you say "ok" or "overall", try and be more descriptive. and not as vague

Torankusu · #24 07-04-2002, 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by XxxxneosoftxxxX
ummm yeah...that was probably one of the best reviews I've seen yet. (I haven't seen THAT many but.) As well as pointing out where the PW went wrong, he specifically explained to them where they went wrong. If you think about it, PWA are always sayin "work on it and send it back in again". He decided to say what to work on, and although I think that the other PWA are good at reviewing, most dont' put that in. I think it would help if they included several screenshots of what they were referring to, because the players mught not understand how good, or in this case how bad the levels or quests are. Um, one of the onyl things that I saw were bad, were the use of vocabulary.. In school I don't htink they like it when you say "ok" or "overall", try and be more descriptive. and not as vague

the problem with the screenshots thing is that we don't know whether or not the owners and staff want us to show stuff.

Jinx · #25 07-04-2002, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
the problem with the screenshots thing is that we don't know whether or not the owners and staff want us to show stuff.

Some don't even want their review put up on the boards.

-Jinx

XxxxneosoftxxxX · #26 07-04-2002, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
the problem with the screenshots thing is that we don't know whether or not the owners and staff want us to show stuff.

ok, and i'm saying this to those owners, and not you: if you don't want people to see your levels for whateer reason, then I suggest that you don't try to put your server up peeps, if you think it's so crappy that it will be embarrassing, then don't send the damn thing in.

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Originally posted by Jinx

Some don't even want their review put up on the boards.

-Jinx

well, I sorta understand that, but when you send your server in, unless you've never been on graal, you know whether your server looks good or bad, if you knw its crappy, and are afraid the review will be bad, then don't send it in. In my opinion, if someone bothers to send ina piece of trash, they deserve to get it bashed on the forums. maybe that will help give better PWs

konidias · #27 07-04-2002, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by XxxxneosoftxxxX

ok, and i'm saying this to those owners, and not you: if you don't want people to see your levels for whateer reason, then I suggest that you don't try to put your server up peeps, if you think it's so crappy that it will be embarrassing, then don't send the damn thing in.

Did you ever take into consideration that maybe the pw owners don't want to reveal their playerworld until it gets online?

XxxxneosoftxxxX · #28 07-04-2002, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by konidias

Did you ever take into consideration that maybe the pw owners don't want to reveal their playerworld until it gets online?

ok I buy that

Xbob42 · #29 07-04-2002, 11:27 AM

Yeah there was a lot of opinionated comments, but if the playerworld was really bad and the owner wanted some feedback, then why not give some.
The only thing that really stood out to me was the high amount of grammar and spelling errors, but hey nobody's perfect.

Well. If someone don't want others to see the review posted then I don't blame them. Most of you guys are rude jerks. It's okay to be truthful once in a while, but flaming people's stuff just because they are new or because you don't like them is not a nice thing to do.

I guess it is a cycle though.
cycle: flame the newbie, newbie becomes oldbie and decides to flame other newbies for no reason.

What a horrible cycle.

XxxxneosoftxxxX · #30 07-04-2002, 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Xbob42

I guess it is a cycle though.
cycle: flame the newbie, newbie becomes oldbie and decides to flame other newbies for no reason.

What a horrible cycle.

you forgot "rinse and repeat"