Guild that should be deleted

darkriders_p2p · #1 05-14-2002, 01:49 AM

POSTING FOR MINOC
Tiki, delete the guild SS because, SS was
h i t l e r 's personal guard troops and the elite units of the n a z i's, and SD because, SD was a department of the SS =\
The guild, names may stand for something else, but would they let you make a guild called FUK (plus the C, I took it out so its not sensored.) even if it could have stood for something else?

Terazel Tenjin · #2 05-14-2002, 03:10 AM

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Originally posted by darkriders_p2p
POSTING FOR MINOC
Tiki, delete the guild SS because, SS was
h i t l e r 's personal guard troops and the elite units of the n a z i's, and SD because, SD was a department of the SS =\
The guild, names may stand for something else, but would they let you make a guild called FUK (plus the C, I took it out so its not sensored.) even if it could have stood for something else?

SS. Huh. Thought it was something stupid like Super Saiyan.

draygin · #3 05-14-2002, 04:03 AM

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Originally posted by Terazel Tenjin

SS. Huh. Thought it was something stupid like Super Saiyan.

Even then what does it matter if it was a DBZ guild its there guild its not offensive. Deleting something because the initials are SS I mean come on it could easily have ment something like Super Soldiers or Solders of Serenity. So what if it was part of a military force back in the 1940's That makes them evil?

darkriders_p2p · #4 05-15-2002, 02:23 AM

POSTING FOR MINOC yet again
If SS, and SA are allowed then why isn't KKK?

Mman · #5 05-15-2002, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by Terazel Tenjin

SS. Huh. Thought it was something stupid like Super Saiyan.

1. Calling a guild anything related to DBZ instantly makes it a shitty guild that should be deleted

2. SS was a n a z i group that operated the concentration camps. they were the ones that carried out the murder of the jews in the camps. What it stands for means absolute zero. It has the same name as a n a z i group, it should go.

Mman · #6 05-15-2002, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

Even then what does it matter if it was a DBZ guild its there guild its not offensive. Deleting something because the initials are SS I mean come on it could easily have ment something like Super Soldiers or Solders of Serenity. So what if it was part of a military force back in the 1940's That makes them evil?

Calling a guild "SS" is no better than calling one "KKK". Both guilds share names with racist and offensive groups.
They should be deleted no matter what the hell they stand for.

draygin · #7 05-15-2002, 09:39 PM

US is an overbaring country that invades other countries because they can saying they're trying to help. The name is offensive and oppresive it should be deleted.

draygin · #8 05-15-2002, 09:46 PM

Also the SS didnt just run the concentration camps that was done by lots of different divisions. It was just a branch of the military like we have Army Rangers or Navy Seals. Or amphibious divisions, MP's etc... SS wasnt based on Racism or Terrorism. It was part of a military force doing its job. I mean you could say a guild called Army was offensive because during WWII they rounded up and put in us concentration type camps thousands of japanese american civilians just because they had japanese ancestory. As for KKK what would a guild with those initials stand for?

Mman · #9 05-16-2002, 05:59 AM

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Originally posted by draygin
US is an overbaring country that invades other countries because they can saying they're trying to help. The name is offensive and oppresive it should be deleted.

OMG that si s0 funay h4r h4r!!!
No.

If you are talking about what the US did in Afghanistan, you are full of crap to say the least.

The war in Afghanistan was caused by the Taliban harboring and supporting the terrorists responsible for 9-11. It was far from a groundless invasion. The only areas intended to be destroyed were Taliban strongholds and terrorist camps. Also the US did help the people of Afghanistan. The war rid the country of the Taliban's oppressive rule and set up a stable government there.

Mman · #10 05-16-2002, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by draygin
Also the SS didnt just run the concentration camps that was done by lots of different divisions.

It took part in murdering a total of 6 million Jews, period.

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It was just a branch of the military like we have Army Rangers or Navy Seals. Or amphibious divisions, MP's etc...

There is not a single branch in our army that kills innocent people.

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SS wasnt based on Racism or Terrorism. It was part of a military force doing its job.

Its "job" was racism and terrorism. Not to mention the senseless invasion of most of Europe.

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I mean you could say a guild called Army was offensive because during WWII they rounded up and put in us concentration type camps thousands of japanese american civilians just because they had japanese ancestory.

Not nessesarily just because of thier japanese heritage, but because the US government was afraid they would help Japan.
The US government has since given the people sent to those camps a heap of money to compensate for what it wrongfully did.

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As for KKK what would a guild with those initials stand for?

There isn't much else it could stand for, and no one else would ever use that acronym even if it did stand for something else.
I'm surprised "SS" is not treated the same way as "KKK" if not worse.

draygin · #11 05-17-2002, 03:53 AM

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Originally posted by Mman

It took part in murdering a total of 6 million Jews, period.

There is not a single branch in our army that kills innocent people.

Its "job" was racism and terrorism. Not to mention the senseless invasion of most of Europe.

Not nessesarily just because of thier japanese heritage, but because the US government was afraid they would help Japan.
The US government has since given the people sent to those camps a heap of money to compensate for what it wrongfully did.

There isn't much else it could stand for, and no one else would ever use that acronym even if it did stand for something else.
I'm surprised "SS" is not treated the same way as "KKK" if not worse.

Atomic bomb how many Japs killed? Sensless?

You proved my point exactly about there not being one group for it.

Prisoners because they're japanese. Racism?
Money makes it ok that they did it? How much money and **** did the germans have to give out for what they did?

KKK my point exactly. What could it possibly stand for in a guild name?

WHIPENIE4 · #12 05-17-2002, 06:23 AM

(X-Mann)
SS if it means Super Sayain is Copyright

darkriders_p2p · #13 05-17-2002, 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by WHIPENIE4
(X-Mann)
SS if it means Super Sayain is Copyright

EXACTLY WHAT I SAID TO TIKI!
His responce is "Blah..."

draygin · #14 05-17-2002, 09:47 PM

That was just an example of what it could stand for. Any ways you cant copy right SS so even if it did stand for super saiyan it wouldnt matter.

Neonight · #15 05-18-2002, 08:09 AM

Jeff:

SS generally means Schutzstaphel, the WWII-era German Secret Service. National Socialist Party. N a z i s. That or dragonball, either way has no place on Graal.

Mman · #16 05-18-2002, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

Atomic bomb how many Japs killed? Sensless?

The atom bomb was not dropped just because the US was on a senseless killing spree, it was the shortest end to a long horrifying war. The Japanese would not give up even after losing many islands they captured. If Japan were attacked on the ground that could have cost millions of lives in battle. The atom bomb actually saved lives by bringing a quick end to the war.

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Prisoners because they're japanese. Racism?
Money makes it ok that they did it? How much money and **** did the germans have to give out for what they did?

No I wasn't saying money made it ok, I was saying the Army knew that it was wrong to hold them only because they were Japanese. That was why they were given the money, to compensate for what the government wrongly did to them.
Most of the N a z i soldiers were either killed in battle, or they were tried and executed. Some of them commited suicide to avoid this, h i t l e r himself did this when he found out the allies reached Berlin.

darkriders_p2p · #17 05-18-2002, 11:36 PM

Posting for Minoc again
Here are some PMs that Minoc Collected from this SS/SD issue from TIKI, and oh ya TIKI I disliked your obscene name you had on graal today:

1)'TIKI (ZEAL) (18/05/2002 11:15:40 AM):
pming me about it will get you nothing
stop botheing mr

2)Screeching Weasel (paused) (5/18/02 12:13:17 PM):
Well, not *****ing, SS and SD are related to **** troops, now I wonder if graal does support a thing like that. It's somewhere stated that any obscenities and offenses would not be tolerated, is it not? Guilds like SS and SD are offenses to people's religions, culture, life, and historical backgrounds.
'TIKI (ZEAL) (5/18/02 12:11:45 PM):
im not going to delete anything just because people here tell me to all that will serve to do it let people know that if they *****, they get whatever they want, and that is not a good thing

3)'Tiki (Guild Admin) (5/15/2002 3:48:41 PM):
get over it
Spurx Vengeance (5/15/2002 3:47:54 PM):
ss and sd r offincive names and should be deleted

albus777 · #18 05-18-2002, 11:40 PM

This was stated before, but if you want to get on the subject of guilds that offend people, we wont have guilds anymore. Every guild will offend someone.

darkriders_p2p · #19 05-18-2002, 11:47 PM

Another Post from Minoc :O
Sorry about that.
And TIKI wouldn't you delete SS even if it did stand for Super Sayin? The name is copyrighted.

'TIKI (ZEAL) (18.05.02 18:37:26):
there are no rules about it, and its not my area
besides, like i said, ss is SUPER SAYIN not the **** secret service, i find it
PATHETIC that all you can see is that it MIGHT LOOK like acronyms ffor
PKFrog (18.05.02 18:36:00):
What´s next? Somebody´s allowed to set his nick Adolf ******?
'TIKI (ZEAL) (18.05.02 18:35:11):
i AM
problem is, im NOT going to do ANYTHING about those guilds
BECAUSE
its become such a big thing
ss = super sayin
get over it
PKFrog (18.05.02 18:34:29):
Oh somebody told me you were the one (don´t know the word) who
manages
the guilds!
'TIKI (ZEAL) (18.05.02 18:33:40):
who the f u c k is it telling peopoe to ****ing bother me with this s h i t!
PKFrog (18.05.02 18:33:07):
Do you know the guild SS?
It´s alittle bit....hmmm....I dunno...........
You know th "Schutz Staffel" from the N a z i´s?

Mman · #20 05-18-2002, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by albus777
This was stated before, but if you want to get on the subject of guilds that offend people, we wont have guilds anymore. Every guild will offend someone.

SS is a guild that has the same name as a racist group. It is no better than KKK.

Mman · #21 05-18-2002, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by darkriders_p2p
Another Post from Minoc :O
Sorry about that.
And TIKI wouldn't you delete SS even if it did stand for Super Sayin? The name is copyrighted.

'TIKI (ZEAL) (18.05.02 18:37:26):
there are no rules about it, and its not my area
besides, like i said, ss is SUPER SAYIN not the **** secret service, i find it
PATHETIC that all you can see is that it MIGHT LOOK like acronyms ffor
PKFrog (18.05.02 18:36:00):
What´s next? Somebody´s allowed to set his nick Adolf ******?
'TIKI (ZEAL) (18.05.02 18:35:11):
i AM
problem is, im NOT going to do ANYTHING about those guilds
BECAUSE
its become such a big thing
ss = super sayin
get over it
PKFrog (18.05.02 18:34:29):
Oh somebody told me you were the one (don´t know the word) who
manages
the guilds!
'TIKI (ZEAL) (18.05.02 18:33:40):
who the f u c k is it telling peopoe to ****ing bother me with this s h i t!
PKFrog (18.05.02 18:33:07):
Do you know the guild SS?
It´s alittle bit....hmmm....I dunno...........
You know th "Schutz Staffel" from the N a z i´s?

lol it's official, Tiki is an *******.

darkriders_p2p · #22 05-18-2002, 11:51 PM

FINAL Message from Minoc
(finally)
Linkcloud (FAQ Senior Captain) (18/05/02 19:40:50):
Mass message:
TIKI says
LEAVE ME ALONE ABOUT SS AND SD
i will NOT delete them, and complaining about them will get you
nowhere

These PMs ARE PROOF, that SS, and SD DO OFFEND PPL! And TIKI doesn't delete them? Hrm...
And Again Minoc Apoligyses for the posts, this is the last one.

Neonight · #23 05-19-2002, 01:10 AM

Jeff:

Just for questioning's sake:

What would be done about the guild Kleptomaniacs, Killers, and Kooks, KKK for short? Would tiki say "That's Kleptomaniac Killer Kooks, not Ku Klux Klan"?

Mman · #24 05-19-2002, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by Neonight

Jeff:

Just for questioning's sake:

What would be done about the guild Kleptomaniacs, Killers, and Kooks, KKK for short? Would tiki say "That's Kleptomaniac Killer Kooks, not Ku Klux Klan"?

Yep, he probably would, all because he is too damn lazy to delete it.

draygin · #25 05-20-2002, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mman

The atom bomb was not dropped just because the US was on a senseless killing spree, it was the shortest end to a long horrifying war. The Japanese would not give up even after losing many islands they captured. If Japan were attacked on the ground that could have cost millions of lives in battle. The atom bomb actually saved lives by bringing a quick end to the war.

No I wasn't saying money made it ok, I was saying the Army knew that it was wrong to hold them only because they were Japanese. That was why they were given the money, to compensate for what the government wrongly did to them.
Most of the N a z i soldiers were either killed in battle, or they were tried and executed. Some of them commited suicide to avoid this, h i t l e r himself did this when he found out the allies reached Berlin.

It saved American lives. But killing millions of men women and children is ok if it saves americans.

They knew it was wrong but they did it anyways. Then paid them off with money?

I read an artical that talked about how the US killed 750,000 women and children in the middle east in the name of freedom. Sort of makes you take a second look at sept 11th. 10,000 men women and children 750,000.

Also I'm sure if osama played graal he'd find the guild US offensive

Terazel Tenjin · #26 05-20-2002, 09:28 PM

Take history lessons somewhere else. Repeating what your U.S. history teacher said does not impress.

draygin · #27 05-20-2002, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by Terazel Tenjin
Take history lessons somewhere else. Repeating what your U.S. history teacher said does not impress.

Who are you referring to? I didnt start with the history. I'm just arguing the other side of it. Also I didnt learn most of what I know from my history teacher because he was an idiot who was always giving the wrong information.

Minoc · #28 05-20-2002, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by draygin

Who are you referring to? I didnt start with the history. I'm just arguing the other side of it. Also I didnt learn most of what I know from my history teacher because he was an idiot who was always giving the wrong information.

Maybe you were just too foolish to understand it.

Terazel Tenjin · #29 05-20-2002, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by draygin

Who are you referring to? I didnt start with the history. I'm just arguing the other side of it. Also I didnt learn most of what I know from my history teacher because he was an idiot who was always giving the wrong information.

Whoever started it. Reminds me of my friend, he looks smart because he just throws up everything he hears. That is remedied by me giving him false information.

draygin · #30 05-20-2002, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Minoc

Maybe you were just too foolish to understand it.

You should really think before you speak. Even if some one was foolish that wouldnt have any effect on there ability to understand something. Foolishness is not based on intelligence. Not to mention Understanding doesnt play a major role in history since its more of recalling what you heard, read, saw, etc... Now understanding the why and how it happened maybe but you can still know the history with out it. Understanding is more of something that would be in mathematics or science. For the most part that is.
Now all things aside you also shouldnt be calling me foolish when you have no idea what things he was saying that was incorrect. He even ended up not being rehired because of it.
That and you have no idea of knowing what I do or dont know.

Minoc · #31 05-20-2002, 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by draygin

You should really think before you speak. Even if some one was foolish that wouldnt have any effect on there ability to understand something. Foolishness is not based on intelligence. Not to mention Understanding doesnt play a major role in history since its more of recalling what you heard, read, saw, etc... Now understanding the why and how it happened maybe but you can still know the history with out it. Understanding is more of something that would be in mathematics or science. For the most part that is.
Now all things aside you also shouldnt be calling me foolish when you have no idea what things he was saying that was incorrect. He even ended up not being rehired because of it.
That and you have no idea of knowing what I do or dont know.

The history you learn in school is based on facts ;P

draygin · #32 05-20-2002, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Minoc

The history you learn in school is based on facts ;P

Facts from the american point of view. Oh no Minoc didnt like what I had to say and dropped my rating.

That rating system is so stupid all these people voting for themselves and ****.

Terazel Tenjin · #33 05-20-2002, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Minoc

The history you learn in school is based on facts ;P

You'd be surprised how much they reword it and how much isn't mentioned in the books. And those cynical historians tend to be bias, anyway.

Mman · #34 05-21-2002, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

It saved American lives. But killing millions of men women and children is ok if it saves americans.

It saved lives from every country the war, even Japan. The alternative to the atomic bomb was a ground invasion. The Japanese would fight to the last man, this battle could have gone on for months and be a stalemate, doing nothing but eating lives from every side, such a battle could have killed millions of soldiers before it ended. As it was w/ the a-bombs, two of them were dropped, and Japan knew it was defeated and surrendered. War is war, innocent people die. It can't affect a battle, it may be reduced, but never eliminated.

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Originally posted by draygin
I read an artical that talked about how the US killed 750,000 women and children in the middle east in the name of freedom.

I'm sure this article was from a 100% unbiased source too, wasn't it? Even if it were true, such casualties probably came from bombings, I seriously doubt that the US army would go through the city streets and massacre people as you make it sound like they did. As I said above, war is war and innocent ppl die in a war. It can't affect those who fight or they will end up being killed to avoid casualties.

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Originally posted by draygin
Sort of makes you take a second look at sept 11th. 10,000 men women and children 750,000.

Nothing could ever make me take a second look at 9-11 and say it wasn't so bad. I still belive it was a good reason to level terrorist camps w/hydrogen bombs.

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Originally posted by draygin
Also I'm sure if osama played graal he'd find the guild US offensive

Osama could go to hell then, he already will when he dies.

Mman · #35 05-21-2002, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

Facts from the american point of view.

From the Iraqi point of view they won the Gulf War, anyone who knows about that would be truly stupid to believe that. The casualties of that war were about 100 Iraqi to every 1 American.

draygin · #36 05-21-2002, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by Mman

It saved lives from every country the war, even Japan. The alternative to the atomic bomb was a ground invasion. The Japanese would fight to the last man, this battle could have gone on for months and be a stalemate, doing nothing but eating lives from every side, such a battle could have killed millions of soldiers before it ended. As it was w/ the a-bombs, two of them were dropped, and Japan knew it was defeated and surrendered. War is war, innocent people die. It can't affect a battle, it may be reduced, but never eliminated.

I'm sure this article was from a 100% unbiased source too, wasn't it? Even if it were true, such casualties probably came from bombings, I seriously doubt that the US army would go through the city streets and massacre people as you make it sound like they did. As I said above, war is war and innocent ppl
die in a war. It can't affect those who fight or they will end up being killed to avoid casualties.

Nothing could ever make me take a second look at 9-11 and say it wasn't so bad. I still belive it was a good reason to level terrorist camps w/hydrogen bombs.

Osama could go to hell then, he already will when he dies.

So killing millions of women and children to save lives of other countries? They didnt know how long it would take. They just assume. Hey we blew the **** out of them they surrendered. We must have saved lives. Then you also take into account the millions of people dying from then to present day from the radiation poisoning and sickness.

Times magazine sure is a biased source.

750,000 from bombs dropping bombs. Either we have some really stupid people deciding what are targets. Or some people have really bad aim. Babies are such elite terrorist shock troops you know.

Hydrogen bombs. On the terrorist camps? Now with that thinking I can understand the high civilian casulaties. Can we say overkill? Doing that would kill millions of innocent people. Not to mention millions more from radiation poisoning.

Osama going to hell is all depending on your point of religion and such. Which I'd rather not get into.

Who controls Iraq right now? Do we?

Mman · #37 05-22-2002, 07:07 AM

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Originally posted by draygin

So killing millions of women and children to save lives of other countries? They didnt know how long it would take. They just assume. Hey we blew the **** out of them they surrendered. We must have saved lives. Then you also take into account the millions of people dying from then to present day from the radiation poisoning and sickness.

As I said before, war is war. It must be ended quickly no matter what the cost. The atomic bomb did just that. Radiation poisoning may be a bad part of it, but that doesn't mean that the US shouldn't have used it.

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Originally posted by draygin
Times magazine sure is a biased source. 750,000 from bombs dropping bombs. Either we have some really stupid people deciding what are targets. Or some people have really bad aim. Babies are such elite terrorist shock troops you know.

Did it say how they died? If not, they have no business making it sound like our soldiers went into a civilian area and just opened fire.

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Originally posted by draygin
Hydrogen bombs. On the terrorist camps? Now with that thinking I can understand the high civilian casulaties. Can we say overkill? Doing that would kill millions of innocent people. Not to mention millions more from radiation poisoning.

Overkill? There is no overkill. These terrorists must be stopped no matter what the cost. War is war and innocent people may die. It can't affect what is done to stop the terrorists, otherwise there will always be terrorists.

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Originally posted by draygin
Who controls Iraq right now? Do we?

No, so-damn insane does, and still will until he dies or is overthrown by rebels or the US army.

draygin · #38 05-22-2002, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by Mman

As I said before, war is war. It must be ended quickly no matter what the cost. The atomic bomb did just that. Radiation poisoning may be a bad part of it, but that doesn't mean that the US shouldn't have used it.

Did it say how they died? If not, they have no business making it sound like our soldiers went into a civilian area and just opened fire.

Overkill? There is no overkill. These terrorists must be stopped no matter what the cost. War is war and innocent people may die. It can't affect what is done to stop the terrorists, otherwise there will always be terrorists.

No, so-damn insane does, and still will until he dies or is overthrown by rebels or the US army.

Thank you. With your responses I think I've proven my points. It's ok for millions to die even if they're women and children as long as those millions arn't american.

As for the 750,000 it wasnt just one set way.