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[unixmad]

Yes that's true that a stupid guy has exploited a bug on our new portal to change some informations in the database.

It's not a hacker it's only someone that read security forums about security exploits and use them on peoples computers, you don't need to be intelligent to do that just know how to read english and type text on a computer.

This is a minor problem, most of the informations collected by this guy are public and he have not been able to do any bad things.

Since everything we do is done with graal players, people can try to steal informations that are already public, this will make those peoples more stupid.

About passwords, you can sleep well there is no way to have your password, they are encrypted one way in the database and even me and Stefan can not known them.

About the guy that have done it, he is not very intelligent because we have been able to trace him and we now known his name and address, we have contacted the american police and he will soon have troubles.

You must known that we will have a 0 tolerance against peoples that do credit card fraud or security attack, all reports are sent to police for investigation and even if this peoples think they have not been caught, one day or another police will ring there home for investigations, and trust me that if we caught someone we will sue him to make a example.

It's not acceptable that a few peoples just known to have fun when peoples are in troubles, if they have brain problems some specialised doctor can probably help them.

The only results of peoples doing such things are Stefan and Me loosing half a day of work and this is time we don't put to work on Graal.

Now, it will give to much favor to this guy or group of guys to speak of this little event to much, then let's focus on improving the new web site and making the next release of graal (graal2002).

Unixmad that known to be a poor english speaker.

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[ArchOwl]

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[Saga2001]

good work man.
we lost staff on doomsday bacause of that guy hacking staff rcs...
thanks!

--PastAustin

[James205]

Originally posted by unixmad
Yes that's true that a stupid guys have exploited a bug on our new portal to change some informations in the database.

It's not a hacker it's only someone that read security forums about security exploits and use them on peoples computers, you don't need to be intelligent to do that just known how to read english and type text on a computer.

This is a minor problem, most of the informations collected by this guy are public and he have not been able to do any bad things.

Since everything we do is done with graal players, peoples can try to steal informations that are already public, this will make this peoples more stupids.

About passwords, you can sleep well there is no way to have your password, they are encrypted one way in the database and even me and Stefan can not known them.

About the guy that have done it, he is not very intelligent because we have been able to trace him and we now known is name and address, we have contacted the american police and he will soon have troubles.

You must known that we will have a 0 tolerance against peoples that do credit card fraud or security attack, all reports are send to police for investigation and even if this peoples think they have not been caught, one day or another police will ring there home for investigations, and trust me that if we caught someone we will sue him to make a exemple.

It's not acceptable that a few peoples just known to have fun when peoples are in troubles, if they have brains problems some specialised doctor can probably help them.

The only results of peoples doing such things are Stefan and Me loosing half a day of work and this is time we don't put to work on Graal.

Now, it will give to mush favor to this guy or group of guys to speak of this little event to mush, then let's focus on improving the new web site and making the next release of graal (graal2002).

Unixmad that known to be a poor english speaker.

7-8 hours to help graal out was very hard. In the end I am kind of happy Thanks Unix!

[Reiko_Lonja]

haha pot head has 1 post and he's proparly banned or somthing
did any1 else notice that anyone with a decent amount of posts just thanked unixmad but ppl with like 1 - 10 posts tried to diss him.

yeah! thanx man apriciate(sp?) it

the english aint that bad
just think what it would be like if all of use tried french or german
all id be able to do is say whats in my house, my town and what me and my family look like(which isnt helpful for graal)

anyway thanx man

[Bird2prey]

Originally posted by Reiko_Lonja
haha pot head has 1 post and he's proparly banned or somthing
did any1 else notice that anyone with a decent amount of posts just thanked unixmad but ppl with like 1 - 10 posts tried to diss him.

yeah! thanx man apriciate(sp?) it

the english aint that bad
just think what it would be like if all of use tried french or german
all id be able to do is say whats in my house, my town and what me and my family look like(which isnt helpful for graal)

anyway thanx man

You've never heard of trooper? He's been on Graal since before you or me, and what he said is true. If you're not a government law enforcement agency you can't do anything, only report the crime and hope they get caught.

[cds96]

Originally posted by pot_head_is_high
blah blah blah

way to get yourself banned.

I think its good that they are going to make an example of people like him, because people who are honest and pay to play all get shafted by one person. Its about time something like this has happened

[Reiko_Lonja]

Originally posted by cds96
way to get yourself banned.

I think its good that they are going to make an example of people like him, because people who are honest and pay to play all get shafted by one person. Its about time something like this has happened

exactly

and all the money they get from sueing these punks could be a bit of encourgement to graal

[Bird2prey]

You people seem to be missing the point. Getting rid of hackers is all well and god, but the truth is Graal staff can't get a hold of someones adress, name etc. so UnixMad, stop lying.

[cds96]

Originally posted by Bird2prey
You people seem to be missing the point. Getting rid of hackers is all well and god, but the truth is Graal staff can't get a hold of someones adress, name etc. so UnixMad, stop lying.

im sure you can trace someone...

wait a second how do police trace people threw the net... youre an idiot.

[Bird2prey]

Originally posted by cds96
im sure you can trace someone...

wait a second how do police trace people threw the net... youre an idiot.

Maybe if you had the brain power to understand what I meant you wouln't be saying that. UnixMad claims he got the hackers name and adress BEFORE he contacted the police, thus claiming to have done so himself (Or another Graal admin or other) So i'm not saying law enforcement agencies cannot track people over the net... they can, however Graal admin is NOT a law enforcement agency and non-government orginisations have no ability to track people over the net.

You should understand what a person says before you make a fool of yourself.

[Reiko_Lonja]

Originally posted by cds96
im sure you can trace someone...

wait a second how do police trace people threw the net... youre an idiot.

yip
if they traced his IP and Port they could use sub7 to get on his com and then go and see who it's registered by and they more then likly have there name and adress in there and probably more stuff that they are unaware of and while u were there u could delete some stuff from his com and change his background and color and piss him off and then destroy his harddrive so his com will stop working. then u could put a matrix style msg up on his scree saying" ah ha u suxors donkei d*ck".

eeeee....i meen u could tell the police

oopppps

[cds96]

Originally posted by Reiko_Lonja


yip
if they traced his IP and Port they could use sub7 to get on his com and then go and see who it's registered by and they more then likly have there name and adress in there and probably more stuff that they are unaware of and while u were there u could delete some stuff from his com and change his background and color and piss him off and then destroy his harddrive so his com will stop working. then u could put a matrix style msg up on his scree saying" ah ha u suxors donkei d*ck".

eeeee....i meen u could tell the police

oopppps

thank you

[cds96]

Originally posted by Bird2prey
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Originally posted by cds96
im sure you can trace someone...

wait a second how do police trace people threw the net... youre an idiot.
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Maybe if you had the brain power to understand what I meant you wouln't be saying that. UnixMad claims he got the hackers name and adress BEFORE he contacted the police, thus claiming to have done so himself (Or another Graal admin or other) So i'm not saying law enforcement agencies cannot track people over the net... they can, however Graal admin is NOT a law enforcement agency and non-government orginisations have no ability to track people over the net.

You should understand what a person says before you make a fool of yourself.

what was the point of that muppet?

[Bird2prey]

Anyways, do you understand what im saying now?

[Jerom]

Originally posted by Bird2prey
quote:
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Originally posted by cds96
im sure you can trace someone...

wait a second how do police trace people threw the net... youre an idiot.
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Maybe if you had the brain power to understand what I meant you wouln't be saying that. UnixMad claims he got the hackers name and adress BEFORE he contacted the police, thus claiming to have done so himself (Or another Graal admin or other) So i'm not saying law enforcement agencies cannot track people over the net... they can, however Graal admin is NOT a law enforcement agency and non-government orginisations have no ability to track people over the net.

You should understand what a person says before you make a fool of yourself.

Unixmad most likely had their IP, and when you're a big business, you usually have one or two tools that can trace IPs. Heck, I bet you could even find some of those tools on the internet just on a Yahoo search.
Most likely, the police would not go so far as to track the person, because they would need some information(which Unixmad obtained himself), dealing with the internet attack. Unixmad would probley hand over the information to the police, so that the police can carry out the law.

[Kasuagi]

i better get all my npc's and gralat back. if i don't, i'm going to be one angry customer. damn hackers! leave my account alone.

[Bird2prey]

Originally posted by Jerom

Unixmad most likely had their IP, and when you're a big business, you usually have one or two tools that can trace IPs. Heck, I bet you could even find some of those tools on the internet just on a Yahoo search.
Most likely, the police would not go so far as to track the person, because they would need some information(which Unixmad obtained himself), dealing with the internet attack. Unixmad would probley hand over the information to the police, so that the police can carry out the law.

Authough your view is convincing, it is, unfortunately, wrong. I'm not going to explain it all agian...just read troopers post... or the account he used this time... pot_head_is_high

he is wiser than you or me so I suggest you trust his view.

[Reiko_Lonja]

Originally posted by Kasuagi
i better get all my npc's and gralat back. if i don't, i'm going to be one angry customer. damn hackers! leave my account alone.

u wont
nobody ever does

unless there "important"

[grim_squeaker_x]

[Edit]
Bleh, nevermind, who gives a damn about if Unixmad is lying or not anyway, it's not worth starting a flame war over.
[/Edit]

[Bird2prey]

Well, regardless of what you think, I stand by trooper. I've known him longer than any of you, so I trust his opinion more than any of yours. Remember though, that I just support and share his view. It is his argument, and I'll let him finish it. Thus this will be my last post to this thread. Have a nice day everyone.

[Sep3kP2P]

Originally posted by cds96
im sure you can trace someone...

wait a second how do police trace people threw the net... youre an idiot.

errr that would be the FBI there genious and the FBI is way more advanced than the police... also, you can spoof your ip like 50 times so they cant trace you. or disconnect your perm. internet account and use your dial-up then when finished, cancel the dial up, it isnt that hard. better yet, get a free dialup i garuntee they dont keep ip logs...

[Sep3kP2P]

Originally posted by Reiko_Lonja


yip
if they traced his IP and Port they could use sub7 to get on his com and then go and see who it's registered by and they more then likly have there name and adress in there and probably more stuff that they are unaware of and while u were there u could delete some stuff from his com and change his background and color and piss him off and then destroy his harddrive so his com will stop working. then u could put a matrix style msg up on his scree saying" ah ha u suxors donkei d*ck".

eeeee....i meen u could tell the police

oopppps

actually you couldnt unless they had server installed on their computer. do you have a general knowlege of anything?

[Faheria_LAT1]

Unixmad's english skills are funny But anyways, I'm sure that this guy was a newbie hacker who wanted more gralats so he tried hacking without covering his tracks =P

[Faheria_LAT3]

Originally posted by Jerom

Unixmad most likely had their IP, and when you're a big business, you usually have one or two tools that can trace IPs. Heck, I bet you could even find some of those tools on the internet just on a Yahoo search.
Most likely, the police would not go so far as to track the person, because they would need some information(which Unixmad obtained himself), dealing with the internet attack. Unixmad would probley hand over the information to the police, so that the police can carry out the law.

Well Cyberjeouer isn't a very big company...it's two guys who have a bunch of kids run the game for them.

[unixmad]

How we have caught this guy is easy:

1) He have used is personal web site to store files for this hacking

2) We have a lot of logs about what he have done, including packet trace, webs logs, IP reverse trace, Credit card Fraud.

3) He was on IRC with other peoples to speak about this hacking

4) He gave to some peoples private files from graal2002 project

We have filled 3 complaints against this guy, the last one is on the Internet Fraud Complaint Center driven by the FBI with the number I01112908574441

If you have more informations about this guy: named Rick Smith (Aka Mold) you can send them to me and i will send them to the FBI for investigation.

[Faheria_LAT3]

Originally posted by unixmad
How we have caught this guy is easy:

1) He have used is personal web site to store files for this hacking

2) We have a lot of logs about what he have done, including packet trace, webs logs, IP reverse trace, Credit card Fraud.

3) He was on IRC with other peoples to speak about this hacking

4) He gave to some peoples private files from graal2002 project

We have filled 3 complaints against this guy, the last one is on the Internet Fraud Complaint Center driven by the FBI with the number I01112908574441

If you have more informations about this guy: named Rick Smith (Aka Mold) you can send them to me and i will send them to the FBI for investigation.

Right on Unixmad! :-)

[unixmad]

Cyberjoueurs Not Cyberjeouer is a company of 5 guys, and we are proud to share the managment of the game with players, if you don't like this way to manage our game then leave.

Originally posted by Faheria_LAT3


Well Cyberjeouer isn't a very big company...it's two guys who have a bunch of kids run the game for them.

[Faheria_LAT3]

Originally posted by unixmad
Cyberjoueurs Not Cyberjeouer is a company of 5 guys, and we are proud to share the managment of the game with players, if you don't like this way to manage our game then leave.

Heh, I'm not leaving. But you can be sure of it that I won't be buying another account for Graal.

[Bird2prey]

Originally posted by unixmad
How we have caught this guy is easy:

1) He have used is personal web site to store files for this hacking

2) We have a lot of logs about what he have done, including packet trace, webs logs, IP reverse trace, Credit card Fraud.

3) He was on IRC with other peoples to speak about this hacking

4) He gave to some peoples private files from graal2002 project

We have filled 3 complaints against this guy, the last one is on the Internet Fraud Complaint Center driven by the FBI with the number I01112908574441

If you have more informations about this guy: named Rick Smith (Aka Mold) you can send them to me and i will send them to the FBI for investigation.

What did this hacker actually do?

[Shorty2Dope]

Originally posted by Faheria_LAT3


Well Cyberjeouer isn't a very big company...it's two guys who have a bunch of kids run the game for them.

You dont need a million people to make a company great.. The fact that they let kids help with the stuff is great. If those are problems for you, you should grow up and leave the forum also.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Bird2prey


What did this hacker actually do?

as stated by unixmad, Rick found a security hole and exploited it.

Btw, it's not real hacking...it's more or less taking advantage of a bug.

(get your passwords changed)

[Shorty2Dope]

Originally posted by pot_head_is_high
Unixmad,

Let me start off by saying, aside from your wonderful english, you're are a ****ing idiot. I usually take into account that most frenchies are ****ing idiots but you are a real dumbshit. About you have "the guys" name and address. Nope, you dont. Let's explain why you dont, shall we? Now if I owned a shitty game like Graal and someone hacked my server and I wanted to get them in ****, I would start off by reading logs and getting their IP address and time of intrusion. From there on I wouldnt be able to do ****.
::Oh please tell me why trooper::
Ok I'll tell you, because you cant just magically find someones address from their internet protocal address. The only way you could find it would be to be a form of law inforcement, have a court order from a judge, and issue it to the intruders isp. Then from there they would check there logs and see what account was logged in at what time and match them with your records. If it matched they would check there records and get your phone number. And give it to the law inforcement agency who would then look up the address. Now, this isnt the end. The law inforcement agency would have to seize the persons computer and find good evidence that they are the intruders, which if the hacker was redirecting data through other servers there would be no evidence because that computer was merely a relay point for the data. Well then the law inforcement agency would have to go back to the isp with a new court order and looks at the logs again and see who sent that computer data at those times and then repeat the whole ****ign process until they found the original host. Now this would take not only months of time but thousands of dollars. Oh yes let me get back to the point, YOU ARENT ****ING LAW INFORCMENT AND YOU DIDNT GO TO ISPS WITH COURT ORDERS AND RECIEVE LOGS. So, let me correct you, you dont have anyones name or address. So stop trying to act like your not a complete ****ing ******* for getting your server hacked, cause you are. You make a post like you just did to make it look like you are coming in like a badass and fixing the problem. Your full of **** and no one should listen to your stupid frenchie ass. Let me end by saying, graal sucks ****, everyone, go find something better to do. Dont give unixmad or stefan anymore of your money or time. Well, good day.

-trooper

[email protected]

You are real stupid and immature.. I didnt even read more then your first few sentences. Wow graal is so stupid that you have a p2p account and worrying about graal problems? Your real smart.. and you made a real ass out of your self cuz he has the name and address.. how funny are you now? grow up and get a life.. you should be banned and maybe more.. Your also being very very racist.. you have some serious problems kid.

[FatherDante]

I don't see why you ask me to respect someone who doesn't have the decency to not inundate me with profanities just because he's obsessed with excersizing his inferiority syndrome over a game with less players than students at an average high school.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by pot_head_is_high
<mindless ramble>

I don't think your spelling or grammar skills are any better.

[Shorty2Dope]

Originally posted by Bird2prey
You people seem to be missing the point. Getting rid of hackers is all well and god, but the truth is Graal staff can't get a hold of someones adress, name etc. so UnixMad, stop lying.

You = made ass out of self

You kids are so funny, stop speaking until you go to school and learn a bit about computers, webservers, game servers and LOGS or have some knowlegde.

[James]

ahaha, this is going to be funny

[Faheria_LAT3]

Originally posted by Shorty2Dope


You dont need a million people to make a company great.. The fact that they let kids help with the stuff is great. If those are problems for you, you should grow up and leave the forum also.

Hey ***** I never said a million. And letting kids run a game is so great, that's why these forums are filled with complaints and whining. You're the one that should grow up.

[JeffTL]

Hurrah for unixmad...I think letting the players help run the game is a good idea, it cuts back on costs and still keeps order just the same as a herd of minimum wage workers would as GPs.