Apples and Ores(Yes I mean Ores)

draco_iii · #1 09-19-2001, 11:21 AM

Maybe someone has done this before maybe not. I would just like an explaination of why.

All estimates are done with a Gold Axe and Gold Hammer.
Estimates are based on actual experince and counting.
Times may differ depending on your amount of personal lag.

36 Diamonds - Cost 75g - Time : About 120 Min
Potenial Profit
360g When making Gold Graalet
185g When making Blue Graalet

24 Gold - Cost 70g - Time : About 120 Min
Potenial Profit
240g When making Gold Graalet
240g When making Red Graalet
120g When making Blue Graalet

12 Durby - Cost 60g - Time : About 60min
240g When Making Gold Graalet
120g When Making Red Graalet

The costs verses production and time will vary.

Time to produce everything involved with a Gold Graalat
takes about 20 minutes and then producing the Gold Graalat takes about 3 minutes.

Total Time and Production Costs for 240g
Time : 9:03
Product Costs : 205
Profit : 35g and Twelve Diamonds

Because the Watering Can and the Shovel are one time investments they are
not included in this cost verses production analysis.

Apple Seeds 15g for 5
12*5=60
And Because it takes 4 apples we will say 15 pies
Grand Total : 120g
Profit : 105g

Time Consideration

Time 45 minutes for growing the apples.
3 minutes for each pie.
For an Hour and a halfs work you make a grand total of
105g.

I would like to know why something that is no where near as labor intensive make such a greater profit. Mining and producing Graalet should be the highest paying job in the Graal 2001. Just by time standards.

So I would like the powers that be, explain why it was designed like this.

A Gold Graalet should be worth 35 to 50 Graalet to produce or there should be a axe that doesn't break. I am not complaining so much as I would just like to know why it was done this way.

Just trying to make sense of it all.

AlkarenHyralt · #2 09-19-2001, 11:22 AM

Someone had some time, on their hands to sit down and figure this all out.

lol

NotoriousBLT · #3 09-19-2001, 11:38 AM

SO what's the fastest way to make money? I'm too lazy to read all of that.

draco_iii · #4 09-19-2001, 11:40 AM

Then you are just SOL

IceHawk · #5 09-19-2001, 11:51 AM

Ore is both singular and plural

freddyfox · #6 09-19-2001, 11:52 AM

Oreo's?

Mmmm, cream filling.

draco_iii · #7 09-19-2001, 11:59 AM

Ore is only plural when talking about the same kind. When you are speaking of multiple kinds the correct word is Ores. Besides that is not even the point.

AlkarenHyralt · #8 09-19-2001, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freddyfox
Oreo's?

Mmmm, cream filling.

Mmmmm *goes to get some melk*

evilcow · #9 09-19-2001, 12:35 PM

The fastest way to make money on Graal is just to give up. The very moment you release yourself from your cash monies ways the rupees will come rolling in!!

draco_iii · #10 09-19-2001, 12:37 PM

I won't even begin to act like I understand that.

konidias · #11 09-19-2001, 12:39 PM

Yeah I asked stefan the same question when I started playing on this server.. Why axes broke.. because it takes away the entire point of mining since axes are expensive and eat away more than half your profit.. heck, even a titanium axe for like 600 gralat or something would be nice (that doesn't break)

All that work and then your axe breaks so you have to buy another.. apple farming to pie baking is the best way to make money currently.. fishing doesn't come close to the ammount you make in 45 minutes apple pie baking/farming.. go ahead and try it.. fish for an hour and farm/pie bake for an hour.. farming/pie baking will give more. Pearl diving doesn't even make as much as pie baking.. I have tried all the jobs for quite a while and pie baking is the main money maker at the moment.. Although I wish stefan would release high priced items like an unbreakable axe and a fish basket to carry more fish so that the other jobs are actually worth something.. It gets boring farming and pie baking but it just isn't worth the time to even mine/fish.

Oh by the way, what do you guys think about the little character in my signature? It's my beta concept for the online game I am going to create soon.

evilcow · #12 09-19-2001, 12:43 PM

That little guy looks like an avatar from Hablo Hotel.

konidias · #13 09-19-2001, 12:43 PM

Whats that?

evilcow · #14 09-19-2001, 12:49 PM

A visual chat program.

konidias · #15 09-19-2001, 12:55 PM

Does it look ok for a beta stage though?

konidias · #16 09-19-2001, 01:54 PM

lol this is really off topic.. here is a more recent character update

KrAnKyP2P · #17 09-19-2001, 07:32 PM

Isn't that the logo for um... the ppl who made spaceghost?? i cant remember the company ..
OfF ToPiC

toad1413 · #18 09-19-2001, 07:46 PM

And note that while all this is very good, the jobs that bomys can do earn you nothing. Yes, nothing. Some people may say that pearl diving is good, and they can get about 30g in 30 mins, but that isn't true. I barely get 5g in 30 mins. Seriously. Either the selling price needs to be higher or there needs to be more, better paying jobs for bomys. I mean this.

Iracious · #19 09-19-2001, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by konidias
Yeah I asked stefan the same question when I started playing on this server.. Why axes broke.. because it takes away the entire point of mining since axes are expensive and eat away more than half your profit.. heck, even a titanium axe for like 600 gralat or something would be nice (that doesn't break)

All that work and then your axe breaks so you have to buy another.. apple farming to pie baking is the best way to make money currently.. fishing doesn't come close to the ammount you make in 45 minutes apple pie baking/farming.. go ahead and try it.. fish for an hour and farm/pie bake for an hour.. farming/pie baking will give more. Pearl diving doesn't even make as much as pie baking.. I have tried all the jobs for quite a while and pie baking is the main money maker at the moment.. Although I wish stefan would release high priced items like an unbreakable axe and a fish basket to carry more fish so that the other jobs are actually worth something.. It gets boring farming and pie baking but it just isn't worth the time to even mine/fish.

Oh by the way, what do you guys think about the little character in my signature? It's my beta concept for the online game I am going to create soon.

An unbreakable axe and a fish basket to hold more fish. Yes.

JeffTL · #20 09-19-2001, 10:21 PM

Pearls are the best money, though pies are close.

BocoC · #21 09-19-2001, 10:22 PM

Unbreakable axe! Yay!

Admins · #22 09-19-2001, 10:23 PM

It needs some system of skills so that
you make more profit when you do it more often
and are experienced in doing it.
Should the the applie pie price be lowered
(to 7 or 6 gralats) ?

annr · #23 09-20-2001, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan
Should the the applie pie price be lowered
(to 7 or 6 gralats) ?

no! you already lowered it once : /
go ahead with the unbreakable axe

that would increase profit for mining so it would be at the higher level of money making than pies

JeffTL · #24 09-20-2001, 01:37 AM

If anything, Stefan, the pie price should be returned to ten gralats...I spend 45-50 REAL minutes, 2.5 graal days, at Hoshira's for maybe 36 apples, and I only get 72 gralats. Less challenging to go on my bomy account and harvest the pearls...more relaxing. There needs to be another advantage to pie besides that humans can do it and bomys can't...for instance bringing the money back up to ten.

draco_iii · #25 09-20-2001, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan
It needs some system of skills so that
you make more profit when you do it more often
and are experienced in doing it.

A system of skills would be great. But that would take time to code in. I only did the mine economy analisys to see what was really going on as far as the money was concerned. I knew before I did it that apples were by far the best money maker in the game. My question was why the inequality. Something that takes four times as long should wield a greater profit.

Quote:

Should the the applie pie price be lowered
(to 7 or 6 gralats) ?

No it has already been lowered from 10g and right now it makes you about 1g for each min you have invested in making them. Which is fair. I'm saying that what you earn when creating the graalet should be increased or better tools need to be made. The best thing would be the ability to produce your own tools by taking gold and durbies and making your own gold axe. 4 Gold for the head, 2 Durby's for the handle. For the metal axe. 4 iron and wood maybe chopped from the apple trees. The axe is where the massive overhead is. Of course doing this would require that more mining and crafting areas be made available. The truth I believe is alot of people like to mine. There just isn't any money it doing it. Not when considering the time involved

I agree with the idea of fish basket. It would be great to add in. Someone should design the basic NPC and send it in. But only if Stefan agrees before hand that it should be made available.

I read some where about a fish sandwich. That was a great idea. Fishing takes a long time and then you only get 1g for 15 pounds. Maybe they have to purchase the bread from the bread place to produce it. If there isn't any bread in the shop they couldn't buy it and then they would have to go produce the bread too, so they could use it to make thier sandwiches. Say 4g for each sandwich. It would use, 1 bread and 5 pounds of fish.

Another thing that should be added is a can that holds more water. Say a gold can that holds 8 waterings or maybe a multiplier for the current can so that if you hold 2 cans you get 8 waterings and allowing you to hold up to 4 cans.

I'm niether a NPC scripter or a Level Designer. At least not yet so I don't know how hard it would be to make these things.

ArchOwl · #26 09-20-2001, 01:54 AM

ok
simple solution
for bomys
make pearls worth 3g
or make extra black pearls that give 4g
it would work out
it would
and the guy that you sell em to
makes it look like you can get dif colours
BUT YOU CANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

CyanideSR71 · #27 09-20-2001, 01:57 AM

Silly people, the easiest and fastest way of making money is PKing and begging!

draco_iii · #28 09-20-2001, 02:04 AM

That is something that some of don't want to do or can't. If you have a slow connection PKing doesn't help you(Which is something that I see is pointless out side of a sparring ring!) and begging is beneath me. I wish they would ban all PKing except in the ring. I quit carrying g because of the PKing. Now I carry ores, apples and other things that can't be stolen.

Keyan · #29 09-20-2001, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by konidias
lol this is really off topic.. here is a more recent character update

Its a heightened graal chara with a goku head

Juron Pilo · #30 09-20-2001, 02:21 AM

um ok one thing: farming takes as long as you say... PER TREE... add up 5 freaking trees and the whole process takes lemme see 45 * 5 = 225 mins
if you do 2 trees at a time(and your good then)...
45*3 = 135 mins
so... 25 apples in 225 mins is like...
25/4 = 6-7 pies which is like...
how much cash there buddy?
theoreticall you could get a pie an hour
which I don't recall the price for but its like at or less that 10g im sure
sooo... 10 an hour?
takes less than half an hour to rack up 150 g if your fishing in a good place witb the right bait...
thats insane
I could EASILY fish up 100g after school everyday... problem is I never actually sit down and do it... too lazy and I'm devoting too much time to roms

draco_iii · #31 09-20-2001, 02:34 AM

I can run 4 trees at a time so the time analisys is correct. I made sure that my times and money where done correctly so before just throughing out numbers do the work and see.

Dilrod · #32 09-20-2001, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by draco_iii
Maybe someone has done this before maybe not. I would just like an explaination of why.

All estimates are done with a Gold Axe and Gold Hammer.
Estimates are based on actual experince and counting.
Times may differ depending on your amount of personal lag.

36 Diamonds - Cost 75g - Time : About 120 Min
Potenial Profit
360g When making Gold Graalet
185g When making Blue Graalet

24 Gold - Cost 70g - Time : About 120 Min
Potenial Profit
240g When making Gold Graalet
240g When making Red Graalet
120g When making Blue Graalet

12 Durby - Cost 60g - Time : About 60min
240g When Making Gold Graalet
120g When Making Red Graalet

The costs verses production and time will vary.

Time to produce everything involved with a Gold Graalat
takes about 20 minutes and then producing the Gold Graalat takes about 3 minutes.

Total Time and Production Costs for 240g
Time : 9:03
Product Costs : 205
Profit : 35g and Twelve Diamonds

Because the Watering Can and the Shovel are one time investments they are
not included in this cost verses production analysis.

Apple Seeds 15g for 5
12*5=60
And Because it takes 4 apples we will say 15 pies
Grand Total : 120g
Profit : 105g

Time Consideration

Time 45 minutes for growing the apples.
3 minutes for each pie.
For an Hour and a halfs work you make a grand total of
105g.

I would like to know why something that is no where near as labor intensive make such a greater profit. Mining and producing Graalet should be the highest paying job in the Graal 2001. Just by time standards.

So I would like the powers that be, explain why it was designed like this.

A Gold Graalet should be worth 35 to 50 Graalet to produce or there should be a axe that doesn't break. I am not complaining so much as I would just like to know why it was done this way.

Just trying to make sense of it all.

WILL YOU COME WITH ME TO MY MATH CLASS?

spi · #33 09-20-2001, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dilrod

WILL YOU COME WITH ME TO MY MATH CLASS?

yeah...

Dilrod · #34 09-20-2001, 03:16 AM

THAT WILL BE 100GRAALAT CHARGE FOR QUOTING PEOPLE THAT THWEY DONT WANNA BE QUOTED

draco_iii · #35 09-20-2001, 03:30 AM

No... What I would say if you asked me to come to your math class!

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #36 09-20-2001, 05:13 AM

Before there was pie baking mining was probably the best way to earn money. Pie baking is just way too profitable now and as you can see there are loads of people who have too much cash on them

I like the idea of having unbreakable axes though, that would really makesense. I figured it out quickly in my head and if you have a gold hammer and work for red gralats (worth 5 g each) then you can just barely make about 10-15 gralat out of all those hours of work.

annr · #37 09-20-2001, 05:45 AM

hey did you include the cost of bombs in your math?

draco_iii · #38 09-20-2001, 05:49 AM

yes the cost of bomb was included

Archeon · #39 09-20-2001, 05:50 AM

thats good, and then you can sell all your gralat on eBay for a pat on the back

Juron Pilo · #40 09-20-2001, 05:59 AM

u grow 4 trees AT ONCE? woah dude didja have help or something? heh